.LOG Mrs. Robert M Anderson Phone: 703-858-7167 43164 Wintergrove Dr, Ashburn VA 20147-4438 rctta Robert Navarre Genealogy Greetings from Ashburn, Virginia; just outside of Leesburg. I am Constance E. Anderson, 7th generation Great Grand-daughter of Robert Navarre. My Mother is Elaine Navarre Taylor. I have been enjoying the Navarre Family Photo Gallery; and have been fascinated with the stories about my ancestors. I would love to know much more. My daughter Tara, will be 12 this month and she would like to join the organization C.A.R. with her friend who is also a member of the Children of the Revolution. Our direct ancestor, John Mary Alexis Navarre, was the younger brother of Mary Catherine Navarre Macomb. Since She and her husband leased their home to George Washington after he was inaugurated President in New York, I wonder if JMA Navarre had been involved in the Revolutionary War in any way. Or if Robert Navarre or Mary Lootman, their parents had any involvement. I know they had a son-in-law who was in the British forces. But since the Macombs were acquainted with George and Martha Washington, I was hoping our direct family line might still have a connection. My e-mail address is rctta@gateway.net If you have any further family records that might help me in my search, I would be very delighted. Thanking you sincerely, Connie Anderson ----------- sat jul 17 1999 I have been enjoying the Navarre Family Photo Gallery. I am a descendent of Robert Navarre and Mary Lootman. My 12 year old daughter would very much like to become a member of C.A.R.; and I wonder if you have any information that would connect Robert Navarre or his son John Mary Alexis to the Revolutionary War? We know that Mary Catherine Navarre and her husband Alexander Macomb leased their New York home to President George Washington. Do you have any data linking Mary Catherine's younger brother JMA Navarre to the Revolution? Also, the story of Alexander Macomb and Mary Catherine Navarre is very interesting. Can you tell us how they ended up as wealthy merchants in New York after leaving Detroit? Thank you for all the work you put into your wonderful website. It is such a delight and it is so much fun tracing our family genealogy. My e-mail address is rctta@gateway.net Constance E. Anderson Hello Cousin, Thank you for responding to my e-mail so quickly. I wish I owned a copy of Denisson's book on the Navarres. But I have only seen it at the DAR Library at Constitution Hall. We photocopied all of our line back up to Robert Navarre and Mary Lootman. We started with Robert Navarre who married Sophia VanHouten in 1843 in Monroe. Their son John B. Navarre is my Great Grandfather. My husband is an architect; and he was transferred to D.C. from Grosse Pointe two years ago. We love it here in Virginia, the winters are wonderful! If John Mary Alexis Navarre is your "Uncle" you must be descended from one of Robert Navarre and Mary Lootman's children. Is Mary Catherine Navarre Macomb your direct ancestor? You are so knowledgeable about your genealogy, how long have you been researching? It is very easy to get hooked on the fun of searching. I feel like I am reading a great novel, only the characters are real and they are related to me. Do you think the connection between Robert Navarre and George Washington would go back to the Revolutionary War. Did our family aid the Revolutionary forces in any way? My daughter Tara would be delighted to find out if we could join the Daughters of the American Revolution. I'll look forward to hearing more from you when you have the time. Thank you again for the information about the Macombs. Your distant cousin, Connie Anderson Hi Marshall, You have really done some fascinating research with all the information you have already gathered about the Navarre family. I would love to know more about your story Re: G. Washington and Robert Navarre negotiating for a safe-haven for the Royal Family. Where can I search for more details? My grandfather William Charles Navarre was a devout Catholic and his deep faith has been an inspiration to all of my family. My original search in genealogy began with a search for our "Faith Roots". Can you tell me if Robert Navarre and Mary Lootman were Catholic? Since he was sent to New France (Detroit) by the Royal Family, I wondered if they were Protestants or not. I find details about the Navarre family during the French and Indian War in various history books, but Religion is never mentioned. We will be heading up to Michigan for a vacation this week . We have a favorite cottage on Lake Michigan in Mackinaw City. I hope it is cooler Up North than it is here in Ashburn. Do we have any distant Navarre cousins in Northern Michigan? Hope to hear from you soon, Connie -----Original Message----- From: Marshall Lloyd To: rctta@gateway.net Date: Tuesday, July 20, 1999 1:51 PM Subject: Re: Navarre Family Genealogy >Denissen's book is still available by reprint > >NAVARRE. or, researches after the desc. of Robert Navarre, whose anc. are the noble Bourbons of France, & some hist. notes on fams. intermarried with Navarres, by C. Denissen. 418p. 1897. $66.00 > >available at http://www.higginsonbooks.com/n.htm > >I am descended from two of John's brothers, Robert Jr. and Francois dit Hutro by way of William Navarre. > >William Navarre >+ Rose Emma Faneuff > Rachel Marie Navarre > +Marshall Wesley Lloyd > Robert Bruce Lloyd, Sr. > +Angela Pardington Lloyd > Marshall Davies Lloyd > >William himself was the son of two Navarres Robert R. Navarre and Maria Archangele Navarre. > >Robert R. descends as follows > >Robert de Navarre >+Marie Lootman dit Barrois > Francois dit Hutro Navarre > + Mary Louisa Godet > Robert Hutro Navarre > + Susanne Moore > Robert R. Navarre > +Maria Archangele Navarre > >Maria descended from 3 straight Robert Navarres back to the original > >Marshall Davies Lloyd mlloyd@sms-va.com >St. Margaret's School (W) 804 443-3357 >PO Box 158 (H) 443-9O33 / 9444 messages >Tappahannock, VA fax 443-1832 > 22560 > >>>> "rctta" 07/18 3:41 PM >>> >Hello Cousin, > >Thank you for responding to my e-mail so quickly. I wish I owned a copy of >Denisson's book on the >Navarres. But I have only seen it at the DAR Library at Constitution Hall. >We photocopied all of our >line back up to Robert Navarre and Mary Lootman. We started with Robert >Navarre who married >Sophia VanHouten in 1843 in Monroe. Their son John B. Navarre is my Great >Grandfather. > >My husband is an architect; and he was transferred to D.C. from Grosse >Pointe two years ago. >We love it here in Virginia, the winters are wonderful! > >If John Mary Alexis Navarre is your "Uncle" you must be descended from one >of Robert Navarre and >Mary Lootman's children. Is Mary Catherine Navarre Macomb your direct >ancestor? You are so >knowledgeable about your genealogy, how long have you been researching? It >is very easy to get >hooked on the fun of searching. I feel like I am reading a great novel, >only the characters are real >and they are related to me. > >Do you think the connection between Robert Navarre and George Washington >would go back to the >Revolutionary War. Did our family aid the Revolutionary forces in any way? >My daughter Tara would >be delighted to find out if we could join the Daughters of the American >Revolution. > >I'll look forward to hearing more from you when you have the time. Thank >you again for the information >about the Macombs. > >Your distant cousin, Connie Anderson > > > > > >-----Original Message----- Book by Isabelle Swann Grosse Ile Historical Society Open Thursday 10-12 PO Box 131 (25000 E. River Road) Grosse Ile, MI 48138 (734) 675-1250 Book by Allan S. Everest Allan S. Everest 5 William St. Plattsburgh, NY 12901-2716 (518) 561-4051 Michigan History Magazine 1-800 366-3703 --------- "rctta" 11/08/99 Hi Marshall,   Hope you and your family are well; and I hope the flooding in the Tidewater area did not reach your home or the campus.  In Northern VA., we were very lucky.  We needed the rain; and our drought is a thing of  the past.     I have been having so much fun researching our G. Grandfather Robert de Navarre.  I spent time at the DAR Library reading Chapman's book.  Each new item of  information I find only raises more questions in my mind. I loved the story of how Robert met Mary Lothman at a party at Versailles.  She has to be the main reason that he agreed to take such a adventurous position in the colonies.     Where did Olive Chapman find the material for her book?  How did she come across his personal letters to his parents back home in France?  Have you ever been in contact with any of her direct line descendents?   Your research is so extensive.  Did you begin the genealogy search or was much of it handed down to you from your family?   I know you have traveled extensively in Europe.  Did your travels take you to Robert's ancestral home.  Does it still exist?  I have been visiting the Cathedral at Meaux via the internet.  I know this is where Robert's family worshiped.  The Chateau at Versailles is also available for a virtual tour in the internet.  I found it quite breathtaking.  Seeing the surroundings that Robert gave up to come to the colonies only make him all the more  fascinating to me.  I was in Paris on my honeymoon, but only for 3 days.  I did not visit Versailles and I truly regret that omission.  I knew nothing of our family history in France at that time.   We spent more time in England and Ireland than we did in France.     I have to tell you that I do find it intriguing that so many Navarre's have such a love and an aptitude for Latin studies. Especially since I read that Robert de Navarre was a Latin scholar as well.  My Mother and her sister were exceptional Latin students in their day.   Did your Mother and Dad know of Robert's history before they became Latin Professors?    I wish my family shared my excitement about family history.  They find it interesting, but to 7th and 8th graders so many things are much more absorbing.  My husband Bob, at least listens to my stories and seems to share my enthusiasm.   When you have an opportunity to write back, I'll be very happy to hear from you.      Thanks,  Connie ---------- 10:34 AM 12/8/99 "rctta" Hi Marshall,     We were in Detroit for Thanksgiving week.   We drove downtown to look for the statue of Robert de Navarre on the Book Cadillac Hotel.  We found it.   Its about 3 or 4 floors above the Michigan Ave. entrance.  We took movies of the 4 statues.  I put the camera on telephoto.  When we got home we were able to make out the coat of arms above each statue.  The other figures honored on the Hotel are General Wayne, Pontiac, and Cadillac.  We took still photos as well, but we do not have a telephoto lens, so those  pictures will probably not turn out very well.   The coat of arms above Robert de Navarre is exactly like the one at the top of your photo gallery.   My brother Dennis was in town this week for the Confirmation of my son Trevor.  I introduced him to your website.  He was fascinated with it.  When he saw the photo of Robert Navarre born  Sept. 11, 1791, he thought it was a picture of our Grandfather William C. Navarre.  I wondered if he would notice the same resemblance that I had about that photo.  It is uncanny.   While I was in Detroit I went to Monroe to do some research on my Navarre line.  I am having trouble finding history on Sophia VanHouten who married Robert Navarre in 1843.  I now know she was born in New Jersey.  She was 22 when she married my GG Grandfather.   I'm wondering if she might have any ancestors who were involved in the Revolutionary War.   Since my daughter Tara, is so interested in the DAR,  my husband,  Bob, has begun to research his Mothers family history.  He found a direct line back to Pilgrim John Lapham, who came to America in 1630.  I can't believe he's got the genealogy bug now too.  He spent two days at the Burton Historical section of the Detroit Public Library while we were in town.     Hope you and the girls had a happy thanksgiving,  Connie                {Pierre's grandfather and the first Navarre to arrive in America was Robert, the four times great-grandson of Anthony de Bourbon. He came to Fort Ponchartrain at Detroit in 1739 to represent the French government as Royal Notary. His original land grant now is Grosse Pointe. His service was so important to the growth of Detroit that his statue was placed atop the Book Cadillac Hotel along with those of Gen. Anthony Wayne, Cadillac and Pontiac. from: http://www.potawatomi.org/hownikan/9711/navarres.htm} http://www.bhere.com/ruins/downtown/bookcad.htm Title: CITY OF DETROIT DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY Summary: Sues to Save Landmark Book Cadillac Hotel DDA Petitions Court to Reopen Bankruptcy Proceedings Against Absentee Owners of Building in an Effort to Spur Redevelopment BOOK/CADILLAC HOTEL 99% - Directories & Lists: Address: 220 Michigan Ave. 27 stories Architect: Louis Kamper Year Built: 1924 Owner: Detroit Limited Partnership Notes: Kemper used the Statler Hotel in New York... 03/29/99 Ed Francis, an architect in Detroit who specializes in historic rehabilitations, calls the Book-Cadillac a landmark, but he agrees it poses special challenges in its smaller rooms and low ceilings. One of the investors, Marvin Klein, a dermatologist from Farmington Hills, said he pays a few thousand dollars a year in legal fees relating to the partnership but has nothing to do with the building itself. JOHN GALLAGHER (author) can be reached at 313-222-5173 or gallagher@freepress.com. ---- Title: American Acropolis. (proposal to turn decaying skyscapers in Detroit, Michigan, into a monument to the death of industrial capitalism) Summary: Lack of funds has delayed plans to demolish the derelict skyscrapers in downtown Detroit. Source: New Statesman & Society Date: 01/12/1996 Price: $2.95 Document Size: Medium (3 to 7 pages) Document ID: DG19970922030099865 Subject(s): Urban land use--Innovations Citation Information: (v9 n385) Start Page: p16(4) ISSN: 0954-2361 Author(s): Vergara, Camilo Jose Copyright Holder: 1996, Statesman and Nation Publishing Company Ltd. (UK) Document Type: Article Marie Archangel Navarre ---------- Posted by: Lynne Wilson Message: Marie Archangel Navarre, b abt. 1820-1822. Died Oct. 17, 1891 is my ggg grandmother. She married a Peter Rumery. They lived in Ottawa Co. Ohio and had 7 children. I am searching for the names of her parents. Thanks for any help. Lynne e-mail> blsg@wwisp.com Navarre Posted by: Delbert Spencer Message: Robert Navarre 2 born 25 November 1734 in Quebec Territory, had a daughter Mary (Marie?) Archange Louisa born 23 July 1770, died 15 May 1851, married Franfcis dit MARENTETTE on Oct 20, 1788. May not be any connection but some names are passed down. We have an extensive Navarre file. If you get any other info, we are at dspencer@rmi.net Navarre''s, Canada to OH, USA, early 1800''s Posted by: Dennis Osgood Message: My Great Grandfather was Charles Navarre, b: 4/10/1850 in Toledo, Lucas Co., OH. I know his mother came from Canada, but that's all I know about his family. Any more info would be greatly appreciated. grandmother joyce navarre father-valcour navarre wife-cecile bernardthis is all the information on my family i have can any one help looking for grandson''s hereitary Posted by: linda gray Message: my grandson's grandfathers name was Weidner, warren and his mother was Viola May Navarre. tales are that she was an American Indian, he wants proof of it, So if anyone can help me I would appricate it. My grandmothers maiden name was Viola Mae Navarre from Michigan. She was born around 1921-1925, on September 1. Is this the same person you are looking for. To my knowledge she only had three daughters. Let me know if I can help you with further information. ----- Commercial site: http:/ / www.detroitskyscrapers.com / Bookc.html from mlloyd@sms-va.com WOW. I had heard of the Robt. Navarre statue on the Hotel but had given up finding it. I had worried that it was no longer in existence. What a find. Let me know if the picture turns out, I would love to get a picture on the site. I'm glad your brother liked the site. I'll keep the names you sent in mind when I am doing research and see what I can turn up. I do have a video capture board so if all else fails perhaps an AVI on line? Papa and I went to Detroit and Monroe two summers ago but I was such a neophyte at that point that I didn't know what I was looking for. Thanks for the email Robert NAVARRE Sex: M Marriage(s): Spouse: Sophia VAN HOUTEN at 22 Marriage: 31 Jul 1843 River Raisin, Monroe, Michigan Sophia VAN HOUTEN Sex: F Birth:16 Feb 1817 Paterson, Passaic, New Jersey Parents: Father: Cornelius VAN HOUTEN Mother: Sally SCHOONMARKER Sophia C VAN HOUTEN Sex: F Birth: 16 Feb 1837 New Jersey Father: Jacob Henry VAN HOUTEN Mother: Hester WINTERS Sophia VAN HOUTEN Sex: F Event(s): Birth:8 Apr 1725 Paterson, Passaic, New Jersey Parents: Father: Cornelius Nelmegse VAN HOUTEN Mother: Aagtji Johanisse VREELAND VAN HOUTEN ------ Connie is my 6th cousin & 6th cousin once removed and 8th cousin 9:42 AM 12/20/99 What an interesting story about the location of the Macomb Mansion. It sparked memories for me. Many years ago I worked in the World Trade Center. The view I had out the 26th floor window was of the Hudson River, Statue of Liberty and the Jersey coast line. Marshall Thanks for all the wonderful research you do for our family. Merry Christmas to you and the girls, Connie -------- Wednesday, December 15, 1999 Bill Lattin R.E. Battle of Raisin River Dear Mr. Lloyd, I can't tell you how pleased I was to find Benson Lossing's account of this battle on your web pages. My g-g-g-grandfather, Joseph Clark(e) was 1 of 13 in Captain Paschal Hickman's volunteer company of 86 men who survived the battle and General Winchester's surrender. The company was composed of young men living in Franklin County Kentucky and Frankfort (the state capital). My father and his sister inherited (not directly!)Joseph Clarke's farm and I visited it as a child. The land had been part of the original 1785 Virginia land patent issued to George Mason which had been purchased in 1799 by Joseph's grandfather, Hezekiah Brown. Joseph's farm and the rest of Hezekiah Brown's 1000 virgin acres are long gone. They are covered by Frankfort subdivisions, Juniper Hill Park, Collins Lane elementary school, part of the airport and the state capital. Thanks again for posting this historical gem! William Julian Lattin, Jr. Owensboro, KY -- Thursday, December 16, 1999 I didn't know the Lossing book was to be re-published. Thanks! And, I will look at your other pages. I think you've made an important contribution by posting the Lossing pages and its the only detailed account I've found on the Internet. Have you considered contacting other War of 1812 sites and asking them to add a link to your page on their pages? I think you should because it would be a way to publicize your page. I've seen articles recently that claimed only 16% of pages on the web can be found through web search engines. Hotbot is one that didn't find your page with the query "battle of river raisin". If you don't already have it, I think you'll be interested in this book: http://shop.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?userid=5U0IA0TTOS& mscssid=L6QS3E57NTSH2JVT0017QJ1W7DDCBG3B&srefer=&isbn=0806345209 Here's a description of the book from another site. REMEMBER THE RAISIN! Kentucky and Kentuckians in the Battles and Massacre at Frenchtown, Michigan Territory, in the War of 1812 Published with Notes on Kentucky Veterans of the War of 1812. 2 Vols. in 1. Partially indexed by G. Glenn Clift These two works by the former director of the Kentucky Historical Society in Frankfort constitute a rich repository of information on Kentucky natives who fought in the War of 1812. The Battle on River Raisin, which was fought in and around Frenchtown (now Monroe), Michigan from January 18 to January 23, 1812, was one of the four principal campaigns of the War of 1812 engaged in by Kentucky forces. Following the defeat of the American forces at Frenchtown, as many as sixty Kentucky soldiers were massacred by Indians serving under the British. When news of the massacre reached Kentucky, patriots exhorted one another with shouts of "Remember the Raisin," which, the author claims, gave the new nation the "vengeance-fired impetus" to wage the remaining battles of the War of 1812. The larger of these two works treats all aspects of the Battle on River Raisin, including the events leading up to the battle, troop movements, and eyewitness accounts of the skirmishes and the massacre itself. Of greatest interest to genealogists are the detailed biographical and genealogical sketches of nearly 100 officers and enlisted men who served on River Raisin and complete rosters of the Kentucky soldiers who saw action there. The rosters give the name of the company commander and identify each member by rank, with remarks such as "Killed in Action," "Prisoner of War," and a date. The smaller companion volume is a miscellaneous listing of Kentucky veterans of the War of 1812 compiled from newspaper files, pension lists, county histories, veterans' publications, and so on. Not limited to the Frenchtown campaign, it furnishes data on some 700 Kentucky veterans of the War of 1812, including some or all of the following information: name, county of residence, date of enlistment, unit, campaign(s), date of birth and/or death, and, frequently, much more. This combined work, which is reprinted with the permission of the Kentucky Historical Society in Frankfort, must be regarded as one of the richest collections of Kentucky War of 1812 source material ever published. Cheers, Bill ------------- rctta@gateway.net 1/4/00 You are really a detective, connecting the VanHoutens with the Macombs. I read the article about the mortgage on the Macomb Home in New Jersey. How do you have the time to do this kind of research with the demanding job that you have? I have scanned the photos of the statue of Robert de Navarre. They turned out great on the scanner. I put them in "my documents" and enlarge them, but transmitting them to you, that is the hard part. I will try to attach them to an e-mail. I am sorry that I am so computer illiterate when it comes to attaching documents. Bob is the only one who uses a computer on a regular basis at work. He should be able to help me. He has gone to take Trevor to basketball practice. I have also copied an excerpt from the book Francis Jennings, Empire of Fortune. The 3 pages that quote from Robert Navarre's Journal. Do you have this book yet? I'd love to transmit these pages to you as well, however whenever I pull them up to read them, they are so enlarged on the screen. I must have entered them incorrectly. If the attachments don't work for the photos. send me a mailing address. I will mail the Robert de Navarre photo to you. As soon as I can get Bob to help me I'll try to e-mail the images. Connie -----Original Message----- From: Marshall Lloyd To: rctta@gateway.net Date: Friday, December 31, 1999 6:23 PM Subject: Van Houten >One of the neighbors of Alex. Macomb in Belleville NJ was a Van Houten sounds like it may be a connection between the Van Houtens of NJ and the Navarre's of MI?? > >When I finish the report I'll put it on line. > >Happy New Year >Marshall, Lucia, and baby Kendall > >-------- Subject: Robert de Navarre Statue Creation Date: 1/10/00 1:07PM From: "rctta" Created By: rctta@gateway.net Bob and I have tried to transmit the images of the statues, but our server disconnects after 10 minutes of transmission. The file is just too big to handle. He thinks if we could zip the file (whatever that means) it might transmit. However, I have just decided I am going to mail the photos to you. I have the negatives. I'll have some new copies made. The statues in the photo from left to right are: Gen. Anthony Wayne, Antoine de Lamothe Cadillac, Chief Pontiac and Robert de Navarre. Look at the Crests above their heads. I'm going to mail them to you at St. Margaret's School. Let me know when you receive them. Connie ------------ 9:16 PM 1/14/00 When I picked the kids up from school today, they told me you called last night. I'm sorry I missed your call. I came home late last night and Trevor must have forgotten to tell me. He did write it down though.... on a tiny piece of paper. He remembered when I told him I had received your email. I am anxious to see how the statue looks on the website. Were you able to enlarge the photo? I wonder what will happen to the statue if they do not decide to restore the Book Cadillac Hotel. It is in pretty sad shape right now. I would hope the statue could be saved, even if the Hotel is torn down. Let me know when the site is back up and running. Connie -------- 2:10 PM 2/17/00 Marshall,    I read all of the article on Alexander Macomb; and I read the play written by his son.  These entries have been very fascinating.  What have you got up your sleeve next?  I have searched my French Families Book to find out who Alexander Macomb Sr. married after our G. Aunt Mary Catherine died.  I can find no record.  You mention that he had seven more children after his days in prison.  Who was the second wife, and what were the names of the 7 children?   You might just as well start writing the whole story up like a novel.  Its all so interesting  and each new chapter leads to more questions.   Who was the MacDougal officer in Macomb's play?  Remember one of Robert de Navarre's daughters married a MacDougal (was he the same fellow?)   replym 7:34 AM 2/18/00 Alexander's second family is already online check out http://mlloyd.bayside.net/cgi-bin/tree.pl?I00265 Wherever you see the little "tree" icon next to an individual it takes you straight to that person on the family tree. Regarding "MacDougall," I think it is George MacDougal. Regarding Angelique et al. see Pontiac's Conspiracy in Lauther. I hope eventually to add some notes to the text. I am waiting to find several other Pontiac plays and Parkman's work. Do check out the Mansion article. I've added some graphics and some texts. D.C.'s location was agreed upon outside the mansion by Hamilton and Jefferson. I have more texts on the way--texts by inhabitants of the Mansion. http://mlloyd.bayside.net/gen/macomb/text/mansion.htm take care, Marshall ---------- NAVARRE-WILLIAMS FAMILY PAPERS, 1815-1980s. Early settlers of Oregon Township. Collection includes deeds, other land and property documents, marriage and religious records,tax receipts, school memorabilia, a few Civil War and Grand Army of the Republic (GAR) documents and letters, newspaper clippings, and photographs. MSS-042, 1.5 linear feet. See also entry under Social Life & Customs. http://www.cl.utoledo.edu/canaday/mssguide/war.html The Ward M. Canaday Center: Carlson Library, 5th floor The University of Toledo Toledo, Ohio 43606 Phone: 419.530.4550 Fax: 419.530.2726 or For all e-mail queries please contact the University Archivist, Barbara Floyd at barbara.floyd@utoledo.edu ----------------- Author: Ronald Cicotte 339 Summer Street, , Arlington, MA 02474 781-646-0302A 02474 ------------- patmtucker@earthlink.net 11:51 AM 2/24/00 I am a long time fan of Peter "The Great" Navarre and family. Peter's life is a curious blend of fact and fiction that is a result of historic memory loss. I am currently interested in his father Francois Navarre dit Heutreau. Sometimes it is difficult to distinguish between Peter's father and his uncle Colonel Francois Navarre. For example, it is not clear when Father Jean Dilhet refer's to the "Evil One" (ca. 1798-1804) in the Parish of St. Antoine de la Riviere aux Raisins or when Father Samuel Smith talks about Francois Navarre taking Father Bellamy by the collar at the altar in the chapel in 1824 threatening to kick him out the door for a minor dispute between the clergy and Francois as senior marguillier. Have you looked at the Navarre-Williams Papers (1815-1880s) in the Ward M. Canaday Center, Carlson Library, The University of Toledo? There is also a collection of papers at the Burton Historical Collection in Detroit on Francois dit Heutreau. There is also a collection at the Monroe County Historical Museum in Monroe, MI. The memoirs of Peter Navarre are at the Toledo-Lucas County Public Library, Toledo, Ohio. I have not looked at them in several years. I do, however, have notes I made of the document when I examined it. I am currently researching an article on St. Antoine Parish for publication in the Journal of the French-Canadian Heritage Society of Michigan with Dennis M. Au of Evansville, IN. There is a marriage certifacte of Jacques Navarre and Catherine Couture dated 1815 signed by Father Richard at Riviere aux Raisins in the Navarre - Williams Papers. I looked at your web site. Very impressive. I was curious though where the date of 1745 came from for Robert de Navarre emigrating to New France? He was in Canada in 1730 and there are many documents signed by him dating prior to 1745 in the Dominion Archives of Canada at Ottawa. Regards, Pat Tucker -------- reply: I am very grateful for your quick response. I have been to Detroit and Monroe. Unfortunately, at my last trip to Toledo, I did not know about the Navarre-Williams papers until the last day there. 1. RE: 1745 I am just as puzzled by the numerous dates given for Robert. He was certainly already in the New World before 1745, he was married 10 Feb 1734, Ste. Anne Church, Detroit. The Dictionary of Canadian Biography perhaps takes the best view simply stating "He signed notarial acts at Detroit as early as 24 Nov. 1729." To help you in using any e-text I have posted on my site, please note that black text, including those in notes, indicates the ORIGINAL text of the document. I.E. on the page you saw, the note is Lossing's, not mine. ANY commentary I give is usually in color, or at least labled MDL. Ben Lossing (490) gives Robert's date for "coming to America" as 1745 . Richards, George H. Memoir of Alexander Macomb, the Major General commanding the Army of the United States. New York: M'Elrath, Bangs & Co., 1833 gives the same (page 13): "The grandfather, on the mother's side, was Robert de Navarre. He came from Paris to America, in the year 1745, an officer under the French government, and acted as Notaire Royal and Sub-Deligué of the king of France, on the early establishment of Detroit, where he remained and raised a large family, the descendants of which are spread through the greater portion of the French population of Michigan, and its immediate vicinity on the Canadian side."        John S. Jenkins 1818-1852 in his "Alexander Macomb (1782-1841)" Chap. in Daring Deeds of American Generals (New-York: A. A. Kelley, 1857) also mentions (p. 296) "Robert de Navarre, a French officer, who came to America in 1745" Clearly there is a long-standing and incredibly mistaken tradition in regards to 1745. Somewhere I have seen that Robert visited the Maumee area in 1745 (it may have been in Draper) perhaps here is the confusion. He didn't come to the NEW WORLD in 1745, but visited what we now call AMERICA in 1745. All the same I have seen 1729 in listed Dennison and Charles Christian Anthon in his Narrative Of The Settlement Of George Christian Anthon In America (p. 10) cites "a manuscript copied from "The Cabinet" of 1830, a scarce periodical publication issued at New York, 1829-31," stating "Robert de Navarre came to America in 1682, landed at Quebec in Lower Canada," while the Macomb Family Record says (p. 8): "Robert Navarre . . . was appointed, 1730, Notaire Royal under the French government in Canada. His ancestors came from France to Quebec in 1682." I have spent many hours trying to locate the Cabinet article. see: 2. Regarding Francois Navarre dit Heutreau, I am rather interested in him more than Peter. Peter was always a self-promoter. Our banch's take on affairs is that Robert endured every hardship that Peter did but Peter lived to take the credit. [I say "our branch" actually I am descended from both Heutreau and his brother Robert "the writer"] It is interesting that you mention the priest incident. My great-grandfather William Navarre is said to have bodily thrown his priest out when he refused to bury on hallowed ground a child who had been baptised but not confirmed. William's father was Robert R. Navarre, son of Robert H., son of Heutreau his mother was Maria Archange Navarre, dau. of Robt. T., of Robt., of Robt. "the writer" William Navarre Married Rose Emma Faneuff, their daughter Rachel Marie Lloyd is my grandmother. 3. I read Dennis M. Au's article on the Navarre-Anderson trading post in MI and enjoyed it very much. I look forward to seeing your article on the River Raisin. Regards, Marshall Davies Lloyd --------------- "bettajoyce chio" Thanks for forwarding the letters to me. I'll save it so I have the references. I have seen an article from the "Cabinet" and I think it includes where it is archived. I'll try to find it. Also I MAY have located the family of Louis Andre Robert Navarre and Rhoda Long. A lady I have corresponded with for a while asked for help in locating the family of Ruth Chamberlain. The info she had matches, so armed with the additional info I sent her, she will show it to her friend and see if it the correct family. This woman is in a nursing home in Maumee. She may have additional info on the children and her mother's family. She also told me that Larry Michaels is doing a presentation on Peter Navarre at the Maumee Lib. in March. She sent me the info and I'll drive down if I can (weather, etc., a factor). I have some of his books on Toledo history and he is very knowledgeable. He's 'big' in historical circles in Toledo. A cousin of Ken's, Floyd Chio has gotten interested in genealogy. He contacted me and we have been sharing info. He also has Bodi (Baudin) connections and some of them are married to Navarres, as well as Chios. I'm working on some info he sent me from Mike Bodi that is VERY inaccurate concerning the Perry family (esp. Delia Navarre and Henry Perry). He had my dad as a Perry. So, I sent an explanation and clarification to Floyd and he passed it on to Mike in Vermont and he passed it on to Mary Ellen in Maumee, OH. When she found out I have a Navarre connection, she e-mailed for the info for Ruth. She had known me only from the Chio/Bodi genea. The whole world is a circle. I have given your website address to all of them. So, they can look this stuff up for themselves. Besides, you have a wonderful site and I want people to see it! There is a John Bodi in CA who has a Bodi website, but you have to know the password (Floyd gave it to me) to get into it. Why would anyone do that??? Once in it, it is very confusing. Maybe a Bodi will see yours and pass on 'how to' do it right!!!! Bettajoyce -------- patmtucker@earthlink.net "bettajoyce chio" I will send you things I have collected on the Navarres. One is a paper on Peter, my notes on his memoirs, a photo [electronic image] of Mary Ann Cadoret (1814-1915) wife of Alexis Navarre, marriage certificate of Jacques & Catherine Couture, birth certificate of Peter, deeds [electronic images], partial genealogy of Alexis Navarre branch, etc. a little at a time. What is your snail mail address? I will send the electronic images in *.jpg format, written notes in Word 6.0 and deeds in .pdf format. Do these formats pose any problem with your software and imaging capabilities? Also, are you aware of the current situation going on in Monroe, MI, with the old Cemetery [ca. 1788-1842] of St. Antoine Parish? A housing development was being put in on the property of the old cemetery in August 1999 when archaeological survey had to be done by Midwest Environmental Consultants, Inc. The field archaeologist is an old school friend working on preparing a report for management decisions by the property owner and city officials. He uncovered some forty-five coffin burials. Apparently, many people thought the Catholic Church of Detroit in the 1830s had the bodies exhumed and re-interred in St. Joseph's Cemetery. The property was sold around 1875 with the cemetery still intact residing on the land. Everyone is kind of scratching their heads to figure out what happened. Pat Tucker ----- TO: patmtucker@earthlink.net CC: I am using ALL the software you mention. If you can send those along it would be GREAT. I really want to make these things available to all. It is so hard to gather them individually and I really appreciate the help everyone has been on this project. With gratitude, Marshall Davies Lloyd PO Box 158 (use for US mail) 444 Water Lane (use for UPS) St. Margaret's School Tappahannock, Va. 22560 (804) 443-9444 ========= Subject: Re: Heutreau Navarre Creation Date: 2/26/00 9:48AM From: Marshall Lloyd Created By: mlloyd@sms-va.com Recipients Action Date & Time bettacj@globalbiz.net Transferred 02/26/00 09:49AM CC (bettajoyce chio) Transferred 02/26/00 09:49AM dennisau@hotmail.com (Dennis Au) Mr. Au, I am just as delighted to hear from you. I enjoyed your article on the N-A trading post and had hoped to get in touch with you at some point. I recall your mentioning his obligation to his mother and didn't know the reference. My cousin Bettajoyce Chio shared your article with me and I have since obtained a back issue for myself. Unfortunately, when I visited Monroe we (my father and I) were only there for one day of a 3 week research jaunt throughout NY, Ontario, MI, and OH. I think I was the LEAST prepared in Monroe and Toledo. I do mean to get back. Do you have a xerox/scan of the contract? I would love to put it up on the site. Do you have the letter from Alexander Macomb to Francois Navarre? I came across the transciption in a history book and believe it to be Heutreau and not the Col. I also have some material from the Nat. Archives on Jacques, Alexis, and Peter in addition to Robert Heutreau but have not gotten them online. I had never heard of the paper at UMI but had assumed they had something. I really do need to get to OH-MI!! >>> "Dennis Au" 02/25/00 09:54PM >>> Mr. Lloyd: Pat Tucker forwarded your note to him regarding your interest in the Navarre family. I am thrilled you are interested in Heutreau. He is a facinating fellow. When you were in Monroe did they show you the contract between Huetreau and his mother regarding his obligations for her care? I found this document in the Burton Collection. There are other good things from the other children of Heutreau, too. For example, Jacques Navarre's War of 1812 bounty land application is interesting. Jacques, like Robert, is one of the forgotten Navarres. Pierre seemed to take the limelight. Have you looked at the Navarre papers at the Bentley Library at the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor and at Central Michigan University? Best of luck in your research. Dennis Au ----------- Subject: Re: Peter Navarre Creation Date: 2/26/00 12:04AM From: patmtucker@earthlink.net Created By: Pathcpis@aol.com patmtucker@earthlink.net Here is the Jacques Navarre - Catherine Couture marriage certificate from the Navarre-Williams Papers, Canaday Center, Carlson Library, The University of Toledo. Pat ------ Thanks a million. This is about the same as the certificate for Robert and Susan: HTML: http://mlloyd.bayside.net/gen/navarre/text/aff_rhn.htm#a14061815 IMAGE: http://mlloyd.bayside.net/gen/navarre/images/rhn_aff/rhnsm.gif [June 14, 1815 Certified copy abt. Feb. 1853 Susan Moore and Robert H. Navarre's Marriage Certificate] begin----- THESE are to Certify, That Robert Navarre and Susan Maure have been LAWFULLY MARRIED at Riviere aux Raisins by me the undersigned, on this day the fourteenth of June in the year of our Lord, one thousand eighty hundred and fifteen. Gabriel Richard Rector of ST. ANNE, of Detroit. ------end --------- The Victoria Cataract [Cadoret] (1830-1915) photos in jpeg format. I said Mary Ann the other day. Mary Ann (1814-1889) was the mother of Victoria married to Alexis Navarre. Victoria was born about 1830 and died about 1915. The photos are ca. 1900 taken at Curtice, Ohio. Curtice is a few miles east of Oregon, Ohio. Pat ------- Navarre Tract in Oregon, Ohio , , Secured to the Navarres by the Treaty of 1833 at Maumee, Ohio. The final treaty removing the Ottawas to Kansas Territory. From: C. E. Sherman, Original Ohio Land Subdivisions, Vol. 3, p. 145, Fig. 6, Ohio Cooperative Topographic Survey, Department of Natural Resources, Division of Geological Survey, Columbus, Ohio, 1976. Pat ---------------- Re: Navarre Tract in Oregon, Ohio A note about the Navarre tract at the mouth of the Maumee River. The usual dates given for the Navarre family coming to the river is 1805 or 1807 depending on which secondary source you read. However, a document in the National Archives written by Martin Nadauts [Nadeau] in 1833 of Monroe, MI to Lewis Cass, Secretary of War, suggests otherwise. The letter was sent to the Congress for possible monetary retribution. Nadauts or Nadeau (before it became anglicized) lived on the River Raisin with Heutrau Navarre and family. Nadeau says that he was given a deed to the Navarre tract on the Maumee in 1795 by the Ottawa Indians for having cared for an Ottawa widow and her children for six months. Nadeau settled on the land building a cabin and barn for about $25.00. He went back to Frenchtown and on to Detroit to record his deed. He could not get his deed recorded because the recorder was George McDougall Jr., a cousin of Heutrau Navarre who also lived on the River Raisin or owned property there next to the Navarres. McDougall refused to record the deed knowing that the Navarres settled on Nadeau's land. went to the local police constable at Detroit, but he wouldn't do anything as he was also a Navarre. And when Nadeau went to a judge in Detroit to complain, the judge didn't do anything because he was a Navarre. The Navarres as you know had the whole town of Detroit in the palm of their hand as their wasn't one aspect of political and judicial administration they didn't influence. In the meantime, while Nadeau was at Frenchtown and Detroit Heutrau moved his family into the cabin of Nadeau and took over his property. Pat Descendants of Paul Moore Paul Moore b ca 1808 birthplace unk at this time, except that he was b in MI. +Felicity Robitaille (the dau of Joseph Robitaille and Archange Dubay) Paul and Felicity's date and place of death are unk at this time but they did show up on the 1880 census for Harrison Twp, Macomb Co, MI. Felicity was know as Phyllis and also as Sally. -Children of Paul and Felicity Moore- 1. Caritine b-17 July 1829 St. Francis, Clintion River, Macomb Co. 2. Francis b-1836 3. Amanda b-1837 L'Anse Creuse, Macomb Co. m-2 Aug 1852 in Mt Clemens to ..........+Richard Pominville b-1829 L'Anse Creuse the son of Joseph Pominville and Suzanne Rivard. 4. Peter b-1840 buried 21 June 1852 Mt Clemens 5. Felicity b 1843 Clinton River m-8 Oct 1861 Mt Clemens to ..........+Thomas Balard b-16 Feb1842 The son of Thomas Godfroy Balard and Isabella Dubay 6. Susanne b1845 Clinton River m 22 Nov 1864 Mt Clemens to ..........+Francis Louis Boulay (b1838) the son of William Boulay and Soulange Fournier 7. Paul b-6 June 1847 baptized 28 Aug 1847 Mt Clemens m-Mary ? abt 1866 8. **Cesarius b-27 June 1849 baptized 22 July 1849 Mt Clemens; buried in Brooklyn, Mi ..........+Nancy McClalenthaw 1869 Mt Clemens; buried in Linwood, Fraiser Twp, Bay Co, MI 9. Daniel b- 11 Oct 1851 baptized 23 Jan 1853 Mt Clemens 10.Priscilla b 12 Oct 1853 baptized 18 Nov 1853 Mt Clemens Cesarius Moore (#8 above) was said to be a healer and practiced the "laying on of hands" for a fee. Children of Cesarius and Nancy: 1.Miron b 1871 Harrison Twp., Macomb Co 2.Dalia b 1874, Harrison Twp Macomb Co 3.**John b 27 Oct 1875 Harrison Twp Macomb Co 4.Mitchell b 1878 Harrison Twp Macomb Co 5.Anna b 1885 6.Danial b 1887 Note: Two children died young and it is not known at this time the correct place in the birth order. John Moore b 27 Oct 1875 Harrison Twp Macomb Co. John m. 31 Oct 1899 ..........+Mary J. Basney, the daughter of Louis Basney and Mary Longton. Mary J. Basney aka "Jenny" was b 16 April 1878 Marine City, MI. John d 3 Nov 1959 and is b. at St Anne's Cemetery, Linwood, MI. Mary d 11 Sept 1962 and is buried beside her husband. Children of John and Mary- 1.**Edward Moore b 11 July 1900 d Aug 3 1993 ..........+Rhea Martin 12 Feb 1923 2.Joseph Alexander Moore b 12 April 1902 3.Nora Moore 4.Lucy Moore d/as a baby 5.Earl Moore d/as baby 6.Ida Ann Moore b 11 Nov 1911 7.Louise Jane Moore b 2 June 1914 8.Clarence Moore b 12 July 1916 9.Marie Moore b 13 Sept 1918 10.John A. Moore Jr. b 25 Feb 1921 d/1941 11.Lester Moore b 10 Oct 1925 This information submitted by Diane Moore Provost. Please contact her if you would like additional details. --------- 10:36 PM 2/26/00 Re: Heutreau Navarre "bettajoyce chio" I have a copy of the contract. Always include it in my "Navarre Books" and people always comment on the amount of rum one old lady could consume! I'll make a copy of mine and send it to you snail mail. I don't have it in my computer. It is a typed copy and Dennis may have been the one who typed it. There is no recognition of it in the file (that I could find, anyway). It is stuck in amongst the other papers in the Navarre file. I found it at the Historical Museum, not the Monroe Lib. But, it may be there. I met Dennis Au at a weekend sponsored by the French Canadian Society. They held a conference in Monroe one year. It was great. They had an authentic French dinner at the IHM Center and breakfast at the Navarre/Anderson Trading Post. All who attended were given a commemorative plate with the house on it. One of my treasures. They had them made for something else and these were leftovers and the Monroe Gena or Historiacl Society arranged to give them to us. Lucky us. On rereading this it sounds like all we did was eat. Not so. One of the lectures was from a man who played music from the early 1800s. Live! Other lectures and a tour of the IHM motherhouse and museum. Not ordinarily open (need an appt.) My friend of thirty years (Joan, who passed away this Jan.) and I went together. We had such a great weekend. I'm teary eyed recalling it. The last I heard Dennis Au was working in Chicago. He was (is) so knowledgeable. And loves his Navarres. He would be a great asset to you, if he will help. Re his remark about Peter. My take on it has always been that Peter was a bigger bulls---er than the other brothers! Although they probably all could hold there own with him. Bettajoyce I hit the send instead of save, so you have two messages. Thanks for the Navarre/Couture info. Heard from Mary Ellen Schreiter. She said Ruth was ill yesterday and she didn't see her. Will try next week. A man named Kohrman has a site about Detroit's old and neglected buildings. The Book Cadillac is on it. He had an e-mail address, so I wrote to him asking if he might know how I could get more information about the exterior of the building and/or Louis Kamper. Told him why I was interested etc. That was last Sunday and I haven't heard from him. I keep hoping. Re Kendall: Experience talking here, once they start they don't stop. So, put on your running shoes. Guess that is all. Now, to push the correct button! Bettajoyce ------ Dear all, can you help? The following is in Wing, Talcott E. "Biographies of Residents on the River Raisin Prior to the War of 1812" nestled among the letters of Col. Francis. Have you seen the original? It seems to me, given its content, that the original would have been in French. I also suspect that it is to Heutreau rather than the Col. on three grounds. 1. it is addressed to MR. not Macomb's typical salutation for his cousin and fellow officer, whom he usually addressed in salutations as "COLONEL." 2. the signature is as Nephew, it then follows that the addressee is an uncle. 3. the content of the letter, ie. value of learning English. You would know better than I, but my impression was that Col. Francis' sons were conversant in English and that the Col. himself was well enough placed in a position of authority that his interests were well supported. On the other hand, Heutreau's sons were notoriously late in coming to English [thus in descibing Peter, Lossing (490): "He is a stout-built man, of dark complexion, and is now [mdl: 1867] about eighty years of age. He speaks English imperfectly, as the Canadian French usually do." and Draper 148 "Peter Navarre was uneducated--could not speak English until he thought it best, 30 years ago [mdl: 1833], when Toledo commenced being settled, to learn the language."] You would know better than I, but my impression was that Col. Francis' sons were conversant in English and that he was well enough placed in a position of authority himself that his interests were well supported. On the other hand, Heutreau's sons were notoriously late in coming to English [thus descibing Peter, Lossing (490): "He is a stout-built man, of dark complexion, and is now [mdl: 1867] about eighty years of age. He speaks English imperfectly, as the Canadian French usually do." and Draper 148 "Peter Navarre was uneducated--could not speak English until he thought it best, 30 years ago [mdl: 1833], when Toledo commenced being settled, to learn the language."] DETROIT, June 6th, 1821. To Mr. Francis Navarre: MY DEAR FRIEND AND RELATION : The New arrangement which has taken place in our army calls me out of this country to go to Washington. This circumstance alone has been able to separate me from a great number of friends and relations who are dear, and to whom I am sincerely attached. As long as I have had the honor of commanding upon these frontiers I am constantly obliged to maintain peace between our neighbors, as much in Canada as with the savages; and my only aim has been to protect all citizens and guarantee to them their rights and privileges. The old French inhabitants have been the continual object of my attention and solicitude--above all that they are ignorant of their own rights, and the principles which form the base of our American Government. The Congress of the United States has extended to the inhabitants of Michigan Territory its friendship and protection, in publishing laws to assure them of the possession of their lands, which were depending upon uncertain titles, which at present have been confirmed with true propriety in a complete and legal manner. It is a great misfortune that amongst the Canadians are found so many who cannot read or write. The acquisition of these first principles of education is an indispensable necessity to every American citizen. Without these principles one can not be fully apprised of the daily improvements; to know the laws which are published in the papers for the advantage of all; and above all, be able to keep his own accounts and govern his own affairs. It is also essential to know the English language, because the acts of government and courts of justice are printed in that language. I would urge you, therefore, particularly, that all the descendants of Francis should teach their children the English and French languages. The advantage of speaking them both would be very great, because they are used daily in the most ordinary details of life. Besides that, the knowledge of several languages has always been regarded by people of the world, even the most polished, as a very great accomplishment. The French of Michigan Territory are always noticed for their polite, gentle and engaging manners. These virtues, if I may call them such, contribute much to distinguish a people and prove in them a degree of civilization which is appreciated justly, by all persons of enlightenment and instruction. At the same time I should be deceiving you if I did not tell you that the inhabitants of this Territory are much inferior to the rest of their fellow citizens of the United States in point of arts and sciences; and above all in agriculture, which is not regarded as the least occupation by which men may support themselves. The reason of it is simple, and the blame cannot be thrown upon the inhabitants. It should be attributed only to the peculiar situation in which they have been placed, even since the first establishment of the county. Neither the Government which inaugurated these first colonies, nor the English ho have succeeded that Government, have dreamed of making of them an agricultural people. (begin 99) They have been transplanted only to help in the fur trade, and in this branch of commerce the Canadians surpass all others; but now that the population advances (and that by the means of the wise and equitable administration of the United States), the settlements increase, and the people take a character and an attitude which presages a great destiny, it becomes us to form some just claims, and to know all that can interest its honor and independence. The French ought to frequent the courts where the laws are discussed, and assist in the election of all their officers, and in this way learn to hold general assemblies, and how to conduct public affairs. Every American citizen ought to know how to use his rights and privileges that assure to him his title of citizenship. This is why it is the duty of each man to acquaint himself with laws, in order to vote, and give his opinion on all occasions which interest him--himself in particular as well as the public in general as a nation. It is thus that one will come to know the merits of our excellent constitution, and that the advantages which result therefrom will be appreciated in a general and sensible manner. Besides all these ties that we possess or enjoy we ought to count the religious liberty of each man being able to worship God according to the dictates of his own conscience, and live peaceably in the religion of his fathers. The social commerce established between good and virtuous men ought not to be interrupted by any religious dissension. In our day such disputes are regarded as unworthy of this enlightened century in which we live. Formerly things were not the same, and for want of equal disposition among Christians, all was confusion and was the cause of the schism which dismembered the old church. For a long time disorder reigned; but today such dissensions are suppressed, and virtuous persons of all classes and all sects are generally esteemed and respected. It is also the duty of every man to follow strictly the religion of his ancestors, to cherish it and to have it observed in his family, for no house should be divided against itself upon such an important subject. Without religion there is nothing for men, neither sentiment nor honor. No one can rely on their word--their oath is null. Thus you see, my dear friend, the price of religion, and how important it is to our happiness on earth and to our future life. I will not dwell longer upon this subject, because I believe that the inhabitants of this country are always remarkable for their strict attachment to their religious duties, as well as their gentle and kind manners towards each other. In considering the particular situation in which the old inhabitants of this country are found placed, one would believe that they have not made much effort to aid any government in particular, if one excepts their first masters; but in examining with attention and diving into my searches, I have discovered with great satisfaction that the French people have always been faithful to the Government and hasten to defend its firesides and altars. The late war (considered in its true light) will give to the inhabitants of the Territory of Michigan (whatever their rank may be) a right to the protection and esteem of the American Government. Few persons know the critical situation of this country since the last war. Their zeal and eagerness to pluck out from the hands of the Indians the unfortunate victims of the River Raisin (and some other rights) will always be a sufficient title to attract the gratitude of posterity. The reclamations or claims that you have made to the Government for the losses you have sustained during the last war, have been, it is true, put off from one session to another, in spite of the efforts of our delegates to put them forward; but all these delays must not discourage you, for, although "justice moves with slow steps, it is none the less sure." If your claims are such as they should be to be paid by the Government, they will not be refuse; but still one must not expect all the damages experienced during the war to be liquidated by the United States. Such and enterprise would cause necessarily the ruin of the riches country on earth. The depredations committed by our soldiers, the property seized or destroyed by the enemy because it was occupied by our troops, the articles furnished for the use of the army, either for subsistence or for the quarter-master department: all these different things have been included amongst the objects which the Government ought to pay. All the claims which have had their support in unexceptionable certificates, have been reimbursed. A confused arrangement of all the accounts that might be presented would exhaust the treasury, and would be exposing the honest and timid (begin 100) citizen, who would rather lose all his rights under the Government than to have the States made bankrupt. The Government only demands sure proofs of the justice of the claims in order to pay as far as its means will permit. I am going to leave here on the first steamboat for the seat of Government. If it is in my power, by my influence, while in the city to contribute to the advancement of the interests of the inhabitants of Michigan, no one will find me lacking in zeal and activity, as far as my intellectual faculties will permit me, to see that justice is rendered in an impartial manner. It is with the greatest regret that I leave a country which is dear on so many accounts, above all, when I reflect that I shall be separated from numerous friends, who have shown such affection for myself and family. However, my duty calls and I must go. Adieu, my dear friend, and please remember me to your wife and children, and my friends on all sides. Believe me always your devoted and sincere friend and relative, ALEX. MCCOMB, Nephew. ------ Thank you for your excellent site! Regarding Harper's new monthly magazine. / Volume 95, Issue 565: pp. 3-164 http://cdl.library.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/moa/sgml/moa-idx?notisid=ABK4014-0095-3 The image for page 78 of this document is a duplicate of page 79. The image for 78 is missing. Please advise. http://cdl.library.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/moa/pageviewer?root=%2Fmoa%2Fharp%2Fharp0095%2F&tif=00089.TIF&cite=http%3A%2F%2Fcdl.library.cornell.edu%2Fcgi-bin%2Fmoa%2Fsgml%2Fmoa-idx%3Fnotisid%3DABK4014-0095-3&coll=moa&frames=1&view=50 http://cdl.library.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/moa/pageviewer?root=%2Fmoa%2Fharp%2Fharp0095%2F&tif=00088.TIF&cite=http%3A%2F%2Fcdl.library.cornell.edu%2Fcgi-bin%2Fmoa%2Fsgml%2Fmoa-idx%3Fnotisid%3DABK4014-0095-3&coll=moa&frames=1&view=50 ------ 1:11 PM 3/2/00 Went to Monroe yesterday. Spent five hours on the microfilm machine. Went thru two rolls of the 1920 census, line by line. If there is an index to it, they don't have it! There are three rolls to go, but I used one that included the east side of Toledo, and one for the outlying twps. Found William on Dearborn Ave. Made a copy for you just in case you didn't already have it. Let me know. There are others, also, that I will send to you later. Also found articles on the St. Antoine Cemetery fiasco and copied some of them. Mailed it this A.M. before I got your message, so it will probably arrive after you have left for PA. Have a great trip! Bettajoyce ------------ Thank you very much for looking into this matter. I have found one copy from a dealer on the internet, but I thought it was worth a try at the mint. Once again, My regards to Jayne >>> "O'Donnell, Keith" 03/02/00 04:28PM >>> Alas, Marshall, No such luck. As you can read below, Tim Grant, the Philadelphia Mint's historian, refers you to a coin or medal dealer. I am sorry. If there is anything else I can help you with, please do not hesitate to ask. Adieu, Keith > -----Original Message----- > From: Grant, Tim > Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2000 4:08 PM > To: O'Donnell, Keith > Subject: FW: Info on a medal? > > Hi Keith, > Hope this info helps, > Tim > > -----Original Message----- > From: Grant, Tim > Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2000 4:06 PM > To: Goodwin, Maria > Subject: RE: Info on a medal? > > Hello Maria, > Hope all is well! > The Macomb medal (416) was placed on the vault clearance list in the 80's > and there are no plans to restrike those medals. There are no Macomb > medals left in stock at the Mint so the customer may want to talk to a > coin/medal dealer. > Talk to you soon, > Tim > -----Original Message----- > From: Goodwin, Maria > Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2000 2:37 PM > To: O'Donnell, Keith > Cc: Grant, Tim; Downs, Rita > Subject: RE: Info on a medal? > > I'm not sure if this medal (List medal, # 416 -- Major General Alexander > Macomb) is still being made by the Mint. You may need to check with Tim > Grant or Rita Downs at Philadelphia about it. The Mint was selling this > medal several years ago, but I don't know it's current status. > > It's my understanding that over time, when the requests for some medals > stop, so does production of that item. They may still have some in stock, > or are still producing the medal. Either way, it's best to contact Tim or > Rita to see if it's possible to purchase this piece. > > Hope this is helpful. > > Maria > > -----Original Message----- > From: O'Donnell, Keith > Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2000 2:06 PM > To: Goodwin, Maria > Subject: Info on a medal? > > << File: mmedal2.gif.url >> ood day, Maria, > > How is your new office in the new building? I hope they were able > to allocate enough space for you. > > I am dropping you a line to see if you can help me with this medal. > A friend of the family is looking to obtain a copy of this medal. Do you > know who I can contact about this? > > http://mlloyd.bayside.net/gen/macomb/images/mmedal2.gif > > Thanks, > Keith O'Donnell > Web Designer > The United States Mint > 202-216-4126 > kodonnell@usmint.treas.gov --------- Subject: Navarre Patents Creation Date: 3/3/00 8:25PM From: Patents to lands owned by the Navarres along the Riviere aux Raisins in Michigan ca. 1812. The patents are in .pdf format. Correction, some are Navarre and som are of colleagues. I am not sure which are which by looking at the numbered file name and can't presently stop to check them out. Pat ------ Subject: New Mystery Creation Date: 3/19/00 5:34PM From: "rctta" Hi Marshall,   I just found Bob and I and the kids on your family tree.  What a nice surprise.  I' ll have to send you all the names of Mom's sisters to add to William C.'s children.   But the big question for today is:  Who was the Mother of our Ancestor Jean de Navarre?  He is listed as the son of Antoine de Bourbon.  I see there is no Mother listed for him.  If he was illegitimate, How could he have the name Navarre?     I have been reading so much History lately, I am really confused right now.  Yesterday Bob and Tara marched in the St. Patrick's Day Parade in Manassas.  While they were getting ready for the March, I wandered in and out of the shops in Old Town.  I found a Rare Book store and I had a field day.  I purchased a 100 year old book about the Royal Women of France.(  Quite a bit about Marguerite of Angeloume   and Jeanne D'Albret.)  I found a wonderful old book about Francis I as well.    I was under the impression that Jeanne D'Albret was our ancestor, but on closer examination of the Dennison list of the Navarre tree and your family tree, it looks like we are not related to her.   Can you answer this question?   I hope you and the girls are all well , Take care, Connie --------- Subject: Archange Navarre Creation Date: 3/19/00 8:56PM From: TO: bobnjody@pacbell.net CC: mlloyd@sms-va.com Dear Robert Perry, You might try Marshall Lloyd (mlloyd@sms-va.com). He is a descendant of Robert Navarre tracking the brothers and their descendants. He also has a web site on the Navarres of Lucas County, Ohio. The site is . Regards, Pat Tucker p.s., I also track Francois Marie Navarre (dit Heutreau) and son Peter (the Scout). Any historical data on them I am interested in. --- Marshall I have the [above] referral in hard copy [see below]. I will send it in jpeg format. The inquiry by Robert Perry got me thinking and I looked at some old notes and copies of papers that Mr. Stanley Bourdo gave me back in 1993. I believe he is rlated to the Navarres through marriage. Anyway one of his hand written notes tracking the lineage of the Bourdo (Bordeaux, and Burdo) family states the following: Archangel Navarre (born Oct 27, 1839), Monroe, MI. Married Peter Rumery. Their daughter Mary married Dominic Veler, son of Francois Jr. and Mary Louise Bod??? Veler. Their son Herbert married Anna Naomi Dibert. Their som Emerson married Mary Ann Peterson. Their son Emerson, Jr., married Dinah Sh Note: next to the birth date of Archangel Navarre is the word "Wrong" with an arrow pointing to this date. Apparently, from his genealogical list that Mr. Bourdo compiled shows that "Archangel Maria" born Oct 27, 1839 at Monroe, MI was the daughter of Robert T. Navarre and Catherine Gayor (Gaillard) married at Monroe, MI, in 1828. They moved to the Maumee River in 1840. Robert Navarre born September 1809, Monroe, MI. Catherine Gaillard born October 5, 1814. Catherine Gaillard's parents were Joseph Gaillard and Mary Margaret Bourg. Robert T. Navarre and Catherine Gaillard (Gayor) had 17 childdren. Six born in Monroe, MI and 11 born in Lucas County, Ohio. Pat Tucker Sorry, forgot to include Mr. Bourdo's address. Stanley Bourdo 11150 Bunting Rd Curtice, OH 43412 Regards, Pat Attached is the e-mail in hard copy given to me by Karen Wagner, French_Canadian Heritage Society of Michigan. It is is jpeg format. To: donnawatt@aol.com Saturday, March 04, 2000 10:58 From: bobnjody@pacbell.net Robert Perry 2321 Hilliard Antioch, CA, 94509 Subject: Searching for the parents of Mary Archangela Navarre Message: The NAVARRE Brothers - Peter, Robert, Francis, Alexis, Anthony, James came to Lucas County, Ohio in the early 1800's. They were born in Detroit, MI in the late 1700's and are the sons of Francis Mary Navarre dit Utreau and Mary Louisa Godet. Francis Mary Navarre was born on 11/19/1959 and is the son of Robert Navarre and Mary Lootman dit Barrois. I am looking for the wives and children of the Navarre brothers in an effort to identify my ancestor, Mary Archange Navarre who was born in Lucas County, Ohio around 1820 and later married Peter Rumery in Ottawa County Ohio. The Navarre brothers were early pioneers of Lucas County, Ohio. I know about the families of Peter "Peter the Scout" and Alexis so I need to know more about the families of Robert, Francis, Anthony, and James. One of them is Mary's father. One or more of the brothers may have married Indian women. Your help is greatly appreciated. I can be contacted at bobnjody@pacbell.net. ----- Subject: MAILTO.CGI FORM DATA Creation Date: 3/18/00 10:02PM From: Subject = from the Web sender's name = Michelle (Susor) Grindle e-mail address = Message = Hi! I am a decendent of Mary Lucy Navarre and Fredrick (Francis?) Susor I have the rest of the story if your interested. ----------- 7:15 AM 3/21/00 bettajoyce Marshall, Floyd Chio is in contact with the Perry/Bodi people. He sent me some of their work. The Bodi files seem to be the most reliable. French name was Baudin. Went to that meeting today and they switched the dates at the last minute. LARRY MICHAELS is to speak next week, now. Don't know if I'll make it back there or not. I met with Mary Ellen and Claude Schrieter (Chio/Bodi is the connection) and they took me to see Ruth and even bought me lunch!! Ruth was thrilled with the material. I just hope she can understand it. She is 88 years old and hard of hearing, therefore, difficult to converse with. But she did tell me some things I'll pass on to you soon. Mary Ellen will continue to talk to her and see what else she can find out. Ruth said her daughters visit often. My name and address is on the papers and hopefully, they will be interested enough to contact me. Thanks for passing all this on to me. Bettajoyce -------- Subject: Ruth Creation Date: 3/21/00 2:45PM From: "bettajoyce chio" The following is from my research in Monroe a couple weeks ago. Also the conversation that I had with Ruth yesterday. 1920 Federal Census, OH, Lucas Co., Jerusalem Twp.: Jerusalem Rd. Henry Witty, head, age 51 Elizabeth, wife, age 45 name unreadable, daughter, age 19 Navarre, Frederick, relationship unreadable, perhaps nephew, age 17 Navarre, Joseph, father-in-law, age 85 This would be our Maria¹s brother 1920 Federal Census, OH, Lucas Co., Oregon Twp.: Louis Navarre, head, age 44 Rhoda, wife, age 35 Alma, daughter, age 15 Robert, son, age 12 Ruth, dau, age 7 George, son, age 5 Alice, dau, age 9 mos This would be our Maria¹s brother and Ruth¹s (below) father. 1920 Federal Census, OH, Lucas Co., Oregon Twp.: Rudolph, head, age 41, b. OH Adele, wife, age 34, Filisa, mother, age 76, Samuel¹s widow ************** Conversation with Ruth Navarre Kuhn Chamberlain @ Luther Village, Wolfe Home in Maumee, OH: Three children by Kuhn, none by Chamberlain. Ruth was a nurse and worked at the old Toledo Hospital and later at Flower Hospital. (According to St. Louis Church Records, p. 228, she married Leo George Kuhn in 1931.) 1 son-Leo Kuhn who is a minister in the Church of Christ in Pricetown, OH which is near Cincinnati. Daughter, Joyce who married Charlie Todd. They have one child. Daughter, Evelyn who married Tom Jackson and they have three children. She said she remembers many Navarres, but it gets "mixed up in my head". Thought she remembered Emma. But I don't think she remembers my grandmother Emma, since she would have died before Ruth was born. ***************** Did you have a chance to look over the mail I sent you while you were gone? Bettajoyce I have a newspaper article (obit) ca 1915 that has a picture of Victoria Cadaract (note spelling). Also "The History of Ottawa County, Ohio and Its Families", p.245 has an article on her that states, in part, "Mrs. Cataract's husband was of half French descent, but she was a widow most of her life. Her own father apparently died rather young, too, and HER MOTHER REMARRIED THE ELDEST BROTHER OF PETER AND ROBERT NAVARRE." That would be Francis. Caps are mine. I found this article back in the early days before I was smart enough to copy the frontpiece of the books I reference, so I don't have the copyright date or publisher. I can send you the whole article if you want. Alexis married Marianne Cadoret and can be found in Dennison, p.195. She was born 13 Sept 1811, Det. and married Alexis, son of Francois, 9 Sept 1833, St. Antoine. Hope this helps. --------- Thanks for the info. I asked because Larry Michaels has Francis Navarre as the husband while Pat Tucker who sent me the images has Alexis. Is your picture of Victoria the same as the one on my Navarre page? Did you read the Larry Michaels article online regarding Victoria? image: http://mlloyd.bayside.net/gen/navarre/images/vc01.jpg article: Larry R. Michaels. "Victoria Cadaract: Last of the Chippewa." Section in East Side Story: People and Places in the History of East Toledo 14-16. Toledo, Oh: Bihl House Publishing, 1993. VICTORIA CADARACT: LAST OF THE CHIPPEWA When she died on March 23, 1915, Victoria Cadaract was the last of the Chippewa Tribe and probably the last full-blooded Native-American left from the pioneer days in Northwest Ohio. Living in a small, dilapidated cabin near Curtice, on what is now the Chippewa Golf Course, Mrs. Cadaract kept alive the memory of her ancestors who once roamed all the land in this region. Because she remembered stories of Indian braves preparing to attack Fort Meigs in 1813, she was believed to be 105 years old at the time of her death. The 1900 U.S. Census for Allen Township, Ottawa County, however, records her birth as February 1828. She was born in Ohio, as were both of her parents. Her grandfather was chief of the tribe which owned much of the land around Presque Isle and Ironville. He once mocked the British soldiers stationed in the area by dressing in a red uniform and strutting around waving a military sword "much to the delight of the braves about him." Mrs. Cadaract's father apparently died when she was young, and her mother remarried Francis Navarre, the older brother of Peter and Robert Navarre. Her husband, who was of half French descent, also died young, leaving her a widow for the greater part of her long life. According to the 1880 Census, she had a son Peter (1864) and a daughter Catherine (1866), and her occupation was listed as "basket maker." Though she remained very independent all her life, Mrs. Cadaract had many friends among the white settlers. Her cabin stood on a large farm owned by Thad Taylor, and he insisted that his workers also plow land for her garden so that she could grow the corn, potatoes, and beans she needed to survive. Mr. Taylor and his wife Harriet, who later owned the house at Starr and Euclid that became the East Side YMCA and Toddler Nursery, were largely responsible, along with Louis Metzger, for preserving the memory of Mrs. Cadaract's life. She was a proud woman and refused to accept charity. When she was past eighty, and had lost almost the entire sight in one eye, she still walked the two miles into Curtice to buy the few goods she needed. Her neighbors tried to help, however, and in December 1898 a local newspaper reported, "The people of Curticeville held a box social at the church Wednesday night for the benefit of Mrs. Cadaract, an old Indian woman." Her pride is also apparent in the well-known story of the Navarre Monument. Because of her close connection with the Navarre family, she was invited to the July 4, 1914 dedication of the new monument to Peter and Robert at Navarre Park. She was 86 years old and had less than a year to live, but according to an account at the time, she refused to attend the ceremony because "she had not done her washing yet and could not think of going out unless her wearing apparel was in order." By this time she was "tired" and had trouble "getting about." In early March 1915, she fell and broke her femur, and thirteen days later she died of pneumonia in the Ottawa County Infirmary at Oak Harbor. The proud Indian woman who in her youth witnessed the forced evacuation of her people from their homelands lies in an unmarked grave in Allen Township Cemetery, a grave she had purchased herself many years before for two dollars. >>> "bettajoyce chio" 03/21/00 02:46PM >>> I have a newspaper article (obit) ca 1915 that has a picture of Victoria Cadaract (note spelling). Also "The History of Ottawa County, Ohio and Its Families", p.245 has an article on her that states, in part, "Mrs. Cataract's husband was of half French descent, but she was a widow most of her life. Her own father apparently died rather young, too, and HER MOTHER REMARRIED THE ELDEST BROTHER OF PETER AND ROBERT NAVARRE." That would be Francis. Caps are mine. I found this article back in the early days before I was smart enough to copy the frontpiece of the books I reference, so I don't have the copyright date or publisher. I can send you the whole article if you want. Alexis married Marianne Cadoret and can be found in Dennison, p.195. She was born 13 Sept 1811, Det. and married Alexis, son of Francois, 9 Sept 1833, St. Antoine. Hope this helps. Bettajoyce Bettajoyce ------------- Subject: Charles DuChene Creation Date: 3/21/00 7:17PM From: "Bob McDonald" Hi Marshall My name is Bob McDonald, I live in Cedar Springs, Mich. I came across your site in my search for information on my gg grandfather Charles DuChene born Dec-04-1813 in Detroit Mich. He was the son of Peter DuChene and Mary Ann Greffard and the younger brother of Monica DuChene born Nov-30-1800 [the wife of Robert Navarre]. If you have any information on Charles that you would like to share it would be greatly appriciated. I would especially like to find information on his wife, my gg grandmother. Even her name would be great news. Hope to hear from you soon. Thank you very mutch. Bob Mc My e-mail address is Bigbobmc@mail.cmedic.net -------- Subject: Re: Cadaract/Cadoret Creation Date: 3/21/00 9:17PM From: "bettajoyce chio" It would appear that Larry Michaels used the article from the book I made reference to in his article. Also the newspaper article I have refers to her "when a young grown woman she took care of Robert Navarre when he was a baby. Navarre died about one year ago, more than 80 years old." I just may copy both articles and send them so you have them for your files, not necessarily to put on your site. I have "The East Side Story" and also Wrights book "The East Side", a reprint, originally written 1894 and reprinted 1994. Do you have that one? The picture from the news article is different than the one from Pat Tucker. His has her with one of her baskets. The one in the newspaper does not. Also, I'm checking on the Chippewa heritage. The Ottawas were the ones the Navarre Reservation land was taken from. At one time Stan Bourdo told me he didn't think she was a Chippewa. More later on that. Would you be coming north on I-75? If so, take 475/23 West. After going over the bridge at the Maumee River, exit at Rt 24/Anthony Wayne Trail. That is exit 4. Go east to Key St., turn right (there is a light). Go a couple blocks. It dead ends. Turn right (River Rd.). Almost immediately you see a red brick building ahead. Follow the curve in the street past the building. Turn right. Small parking lot is on your right. It is one way. Go in, park. The tall part of the building marked auditorium is where they hold the meeting. The streets on either side of the library are Williams and St. John. Can't remember which is which. The streets aren't one way, just the drive in the parking lot. Address is 501 River Rd., Maumee. tele: 419-259-5360 If you are coming from the east side, almost anyone can direct you to the Anthony Wayne Trail. The Toledo Zoo is on the Trail. They were working on an entrance/exit for the Trail off 280. Don't know if it is open yet. You would be heading west and would make a left turn at Key St. The rest is the same. If you need more info, let me know. I don't know if I can make it or not. Would love to meet you though. Mary Ellen urged me to come back for the lecture. She was quite upset that they changed it. I drove in constant rain both days. Hope next weekend is better! --------- from http://www.evansville.net/~dkrupp/ottawa/query1998july-december.htm mailto:blsg@wwisp.com Bob Wilson November 9, 1998 RUMERY, Daniel. Had 2 daughters, Mary and Adelia. Adelia Amy RUMERY was born Jan. 22, 1888 maybe in Michigan. She was part Ottawa Indian. Somehow, Peter Navarre is a relative. She married Frank Diedrich (Dietrich) who was baptized in St. Paul's Lutheran Church-Ottawa Co. Ohio. Thanks for any help. Bob Wilson ------- Subject: Navarre Family Photo Gallery Creation Date: 3/27/00 12:41PM From: Gayle & Jerry Navarre Created By: gnaos@xpressweb.com Recipients sms-va.com SMS Post Office.SMS Mail Domain mlloyd (Marshall Lloyd) Hi Marshall, Just wanted to express my thanks for your awesome website. Your cousin, Connie Anderson, turned me on to it. There is so much interesting and valuable information there, that I'm sure it will take me a while to view it all. I have to force myself to turn the computer off after awhile. It's like a piece of chocolate cake. A bite at a time! Keep up the good work. If I come across something you might be able to use, I'll definitely forward it. Thanks again, Gayle Navarre Kanab, Utah ----------- Wright, Isaac. The East Side: Past and Present by Isaac Wright. Toledo: 1894, p. 112 "Probably the oldest settler now living in Ironville is Robert Navarre, keeper of the range lights, and son of Robert Navarre, son of Robert Navarre, the scout of Gen. Harrison. Mr. Navarre came on this side of the river from Monroe, in April, 1840, and has had charge of the range lights since September, 1868. Mr. Navarre served three years in the 100th O.V.I., and received two severe wounds in the service of his country." The above is correct except for the appositive "the scout of Gen. Harrison." The lighthouse keeper was Robert C. Navarre (husband of Lucinda and vet. of the 100th). The Civil War pension files show as much as do the Toledo city directory and census files. NAVARRE, LUCINDA Co: LUCAS Death: 7/17/1913 Vol: 1129 Certificate: 41320 NAVARRE ROBERT R Co: LUCAS Death: 1/7/1914 Vol: 1271 Certificate: 3905 On Thursday, January 8, 1914, the subject of a Toledo Blade obituary identifies William Navarre's father Robert Navarre as the son of the scout Robert [Hutro] Navarre. Former Resident of 1712 Cutter street Robert "P." Navarre [the middle initial is most likely in error as he is listed Robert R. on his death certificate, tombstone] as the [where the city directory always listed as Robert R.]. Toledo City Directory 1900-1916 The following are the entries for 1712 Cutter (by the old numbering, presently in the 1500's). Robert R. Navarre [Sept. 3, 1830-Jan. 7, 1914] is listed as the owner from 1900-1913 (age 71-84 since he was listed as 51 at the time of the 1880 Census). The names of the "boarders" mostly coincide with those of his sons [grandsons?]. The Toledo Blade obituary (1/8/1914) lists him as Robert P. Navarre, 83 at time of death and his address as 524 Front St., the address of William's restaurant. The middle initial P is a corruption. Robert R. is carried in the city directory, on his death certificate, on his wife's death certificate, and on his headstone. 1899-00 Navarre Robert R, h 206 Euclid av. 1899-00 Navarre Edward P, porter, bds 206 Euclid av. 1899-00 Navarre Joseph, bartndr, bds 206 Euclid av. 1900-01 Navarre Robert R, h 1712 Cutter. [Age 71] 1900-01 Navarre Edward P, clk, bds 1712 Cutter. [Age 20] 1900-01 Navarre Joseph, bds 1712 Cutter. [Age 17] 1900-01 Navarre Louis R, bartender, bds 1712 Cutter. [Age 25] 1901-02 Navarre Robert R, h 1712 Cutter. [Age 72] 1901-02 Navarre Edward P, lab. bds 1712 Cutter. [Age 21] 1901-02 Navarre Joseph, lab. bds 1712 Cutter. [Age 18] 1901-02 Navarre Louis R, lab. bds 1712 Cutter. [Age 26] 1902 Navarre Robert R, h 1712 Cutter. [Age 73] 1902 Navarre Adam, ironwkr, bds 1712 Cutter. [Age 31] 1902 Navarre Andrew, lab, bds 1712 Cutter. [Age 33] 1902 Navarre Joseph, bartndr, bds 1712 Cutter. [Age 19] 1902 Navarre Louis R, lab. bds, h 277 Licking. [Age 27] 1903 Navarre Robert R, h 1712 Cutter. [Age 74] 1903 Navarre Joseph, ironwkr, bds 1712 Cutter. [Age 20] 1903 Navarre Louis, lab, bds 1712 Cutter. [Age 28] 1904 Navarre Robert R, h 1712 Cutter. [Age 75] 1904 Navarre Ernest, lab, bds 1712 Cutter. 1904 Navarre Joseph, puddler, bds 1712 Cutter. [Age 21] 1904 Navarre Louis, handy man Craig Ship Bld. Co, h 1712 Cutter. [Age 29] 1905 Navarre Robert R, h 1712 Cutter. [Age 76] 1905 Navarre Joseph, ironwkr, bds 1712 Cutter. [Age 22] 1906 Navarre Robert R, h 1712 Cutter. [Age 77] 1906 Navarre Joseph, ironwkr, bds 1712 Cutter. [Age 23] 1907 Navarre Robert R, h 1712 Cutter. [Age 78] 1908 Navarre Robert R, h 1712 Cutter. [Age 79] 1909 Navarre Robert R, h 1712 Cutter. [Age 80] 1909 Navarre Adam, lineman, bds 1712 Cutter. [Age 38] 1910 Navarre Robert R, h 1712 Cutter. [Age 81] 1910 Navarre Edward, lab. bds 1712 Cutter. [Age 30] 1910 Navarre Louis, lab. bds 1712 Cutter. [Age 35] 1910 Navarre Paul E, lab, bds 1712 Cutter. 1911 Navarre Robert R, h 1712 Cutter.[Age 82] 1911 Navarre Adam, carp, bds 1712 Cutter. [Age 40] 1911 Navarre Andrew, ironwkr, bds 1712 Cutter. [Age 42] 1912 Navarre Robert R, h 1712 Cutter. [Age 83] 1912 Navarre Andrew, ironwkr, bds 1712 Cutter. [Age 43] 1913 Navarre Robert R, h 1712 Cutter. [Age 84] 1913 Navarre Adam, lab, bds 1712 Cutter. [Age 42] 1913 Navarre Andrew, ironwkr, bds 1712 Cutter. [Age 44] [1914 Navarre Robert R, not listed. d. Jan. 7, 1914] ------- Subject: Change of Email Address Creation Date: 3/26/00 5:07PM From: Patrick Tucker Created By: patmtucker@earthlink.net Hi. I wanted to let you now that I recently joined EarthLink, America's fastest-growing Internet Service Provider, and I have a new email address. Please send your emails to: patmtucker@earthlink.net I don't want to lose any messages from you, so please remember to update your address book. EarthLink Sprint provides free Web space for its members, so I may be setting up my Web site at http://home.earthlink.net/~patmtucker/. Come visit me soon! If you are interested in joining EarthLink too, visit http://www.earthlink.net/join. Thanks. I hope to hear from you soon! Patrick P.S. My old address was:(pathcpis@aol.com) -------- love your "Wright is wrong" way of phrasing his error. It must have been a nightmare figuring out who all those Navarres were, exactly. I marvel at Father Dennison. The man must have had a fantastic mind. Or, perhaps, he was bored and his genealogies was a way to keep from going crazy. Although genealogy makes me go crazy sometimes!! Thanks for the naming of people in the Navarre/Keller picture. Larry Michaels book p. 173-174 about Julia Navarre--St. Louis Catholic Church Rescords have three marriages for her, Perry, Snyder and Fields. When next I'm at the Toledo Public Lib., I'll look up the article that was in the Blade, maybe they have more info. I've looked at his book many times and just noticed it recently. I heard from Bob Perry. He seems sincere in his research. I think he lives in CA and that must make it very difficult. He says the LDS lib. has Mary Archange as Peter Rumery's wife. So they got it from a reliable source. The marriage entry in the Ottawa Cty. records say Mrs., I have a handwritten copy and thought I might have copied it wrong. But, he has the same thing. That makes me think that she was a widow of a Navarre. I told him of that possibility. He made no comment on that. That picture of Mary Navarre I was telling you about is on that Bodi website IS Peter Rumery's wife. The website address is : www.zing.com/album/?id=4294805267 password: cutcher in case you want to take a look see. Got to go babysit for my granddaughter. Talk to you later. Bettajoyce ---------- Subject: Charles DuChene Creation Date: 3/21/00 7:17PM From: "Bob McDonald" Hi Marshall My name is Bob McDonald, I live in Cedar Springs, Mich. I came across your site in my search for information on my gg grandfather Charles DuChene born Dec-04-1813 in Detroit Mich. He was the son of Peter DuChene and Mary Ann Greffard and the younger brother of Monica DuChene born Nov-30-1800 [the wife of Robert Navarre]. If you have any information on Charles that you would like to share it would be greatly appriciated. I would especially like to find information on his wife, my gg grandmother. Even her name would be great news. Hope to hear from you soon. Thank you very mutch. Bob Mc My e-mail address is Bigbobmc@mail.cmedic.net -------- Hi Marshall, I have been out of touch for a while because life has been very busy and hectic lately. I have returned to the work force after a nine year absence. I am working at Bob's architectural firm The Smith Group in D.C. I agreed to 3 days a week. Tues., Wed., and Thurs. I will be managing the Technical and Interiors Library for the firm. We have a contract librarian on-site on Monday and Friday. I started on April 4th. We took a week off for Easter break. We went back home to Michigan to visit the family. Bob announced to the kids and I that we are leaving for Ireland in mid-May. We will be gone for about 11 days. Its a good thing that Bob negotiated this job offer for me, because he had all this pre-arranged time off agreed to ahead of time in the offer letter. I was hoping you might have some suggestions of things to see in Ireland. I know you have traveled extensively. Bob and I did spend a few day in Ireland on our honeymoon 17 years ago. But that was a long time ago. Trevor and Tara would love to stay in a castle for a night and see some historical sites. Tara is anxious to see the 'Hill of Tara' outside of Dublin. If possible we would like to spend a few days in Scotland. Bob would love to see Bannockburn where Robert the Bruce defeated the British. That is one ancestor he is happy to claim. I never asked you about your connection to the Bruce. I assume your father is a descendant, since he shares the name. If you can share any travel suggestions with us, I would love it. My Great Grandparents (McDonald) on my Father's maternal side were born in Ireland. On his Dad's side (Taylor) they were born in England. I'd love to do some genealogy research while in Ireland, but we'll see. If you get a chance to write back, I'd enjoy hearing from you. Connie ---------- Subject: Re: Heutreau Navarre Creation Date: 5/25/00 9:07AM From: "Dennis Au" Created By: dennisau@hotmail.com Mr. Lloyd: What follows is a translation of a document I found in the Burton Historical Collection in the Detroit Public Library about fifteen years ago. It is a contract between François Marie Navarre DIT Heutreau and his mother Marie Barios, widow Navarre. I think it is one of the most interesting documents relating to Heutreau Navarre that I uncovered. Best, Dennis Au Before the undesigned witnesses residing at Detroit, and in default of a notary, there appeared in person Madame Marie Francois Southmand Barois, widow of the late Mr. Robert Navarre, who, because of her great age, is no longer able to handle her own affairs nor take care of her goods, which consist only of 1 1/2 arpents frontage of well improved land, located at the stated place. In consideration of the respect always shown her by her son Francois Navarre, and believing it just that this be recognized, the said lady, the widow Navarre, has by these presents given ceded, quit, and left, from now and forever, by foreseen and irrevocable gift, in the best form such a gift can take place, to the said Francois Navarre, her son, living at the said place, and to Marie Louise Goder, his wife, here present and accepting for them, their heirs, etc., all the goods and properties whatsoever, etc., which from this day shall belong to the said Francois Navarre, the whole enclosing 1 1/2 arpents in front by 40 arpents in depth, fronting on the river, bordered on the rear by unconceded lands, on the northeast by Joseph L'hivernois, and on the other, or southwest, side by another parcel of land belonging to the said recipient. On this 1 1/2 arpents of land is located a large house of wood, divided in half, of which the said lady donor occupies currently half, and the said recipient the rest, along with the fruit trees and all that can be valued, with neither reservation nor exception, guaranteeing all against any troubles, debts, mortgages, taxes, alienations, and other obstacles possible for all the said goods to be enjoyed by the said Francois Navarre, his heirs, as property belonging to him, including real estate and buildings, starting from this day, as well as the furniture as they have been awarded the said lady for her widow's dowery, as has been previously agreed upon in the partition that the heirs made together, such as were mentioned, from the day of the death of the said donor, reserving the use thereof for the duration of her life only, as well as the use of the house where she is living, which she wants to occupy during this same time, alone, with her servants. Recognizing the said Francois Navarre to have in possession the rest of the furnishings and several agricultural implements of which he discharges the said lady who tranfered to him by these presents all rights of ownership. This present gift is thus made on the clauses and conditions stated above of rents, arrears, seigneural rights, and other services to which the said lands may be subject, and by the duty of the said recipient to quit and indemnify the said woman, his mother, and besides this, to give her all the respect and care possible, to nourish, warm her and furnish linen, apparel, shoes, repairs, laundry, etc., as is suitable to her state, without necessity of being asked, and also to feed and supply her maid and servant as they are accustomed, neither of whom can be ordered about without her wish during her lifetime. And in case the said recipient and his wife do not perform their obligations to the said woman, whether in sickness or in health, they will be held responsible to fournish her every year, delivered to her storage area, 1500 pounds of good flour, 100 pounds of good salt pork in a salting tub, 150 pounds of fresh beef, 1 1/2 bushels of salt, 2 pounds of pepper, and to deliver to her door 12 cords of good wood, all of which must be delivered to the said woman by the said recipient, her son, 4 times during the course of the year; that is, 1/4 of the whole, every 3 months on the same date. Moreover, he is obligated to give the said woman each year 2 complete suits of clothes, 4 fine shirts, 3 pairs of French shoes, hairdressings, kerchiefs, and generally everything she needs and is suited to her taste, including every year 12 gallons of rum, 12 gallons of good wine, 10 pounds in New York currency upon demand of the said woman, and to take care of her in case of illness, including supplying a doctor, and for whatever else may came up, and after her death, to have her honorably buried, have a service sung for her, or a high mass, and on the same date and day of the anniversary of her death have another service or high mass sung, as well as having 12 low masses said for the repose of her soul, all at his own expense and as soon as possible. In addition, 15 pounds of coffee and 5 quarts of sugar. In which case, the day of the death of the said woman, the said recipient, his heirs, etc., shall have cause to take full and complete possession of all property as shall be then admitted, valued, and recognized as belonging to the said woman, wherever located. And for the execution of these presents, the said parties have chosen their home, each in their house, etc., renouncing, obligating, etc., each in their place, etc. Completed and signed in the said places by the said parties who, declaring themselves unable to sign, have made their customary marks after the reading on this day, Saturday, the 7th day of the month of July, 1792. In the presence of Mssrs her J. S. Cabasis Marie Barois Louis Dessine mark Widow Navarre his Francois Navarre mark her Marie Goder Navarre mark Frs. Pepin ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com --------- Mail Envelope Properties (3982F5DD.CAE : 14 : 7342) Subject: Re: robert navarre Creation Date: 7/29/00 11:18AM From: "Robert Holloway" Created By: "rjholl@slip.net".GWIA.SMS Mail Domain Recipients SMS Post Office.SMS Mail Domain mlloyd (Marshall Lloyd Marshall, I am in awe of your site! The amount of data that you have collected is astounding. I have taken the liberty of updating several of my lines that you have referenced on your site, ie; Navarre, Marsac, Tremblay. Thank you very much for all of your work, it is fantastic! I wish I had some old photos to add to my website, but unfortunately I have not found any. Keep up the good work, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marshall Lloyd" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 6:30 PM Subject: robert navarre Delighted to find your site. If you are interested in Robert Navarre material please visit my site. http://www.mlloyd.org I also have a family tree at the site. --------- Marguerite CARPENTIER(b.1830 Keokek,Iowa),daughter of Jean Baptiste and one of his wives (Rachel JOHNSON) married Andrew Jackson STYERS in St. Charles, MO in 1849. AJ or Jack STYERS was born in or near Philadelphia,Pa in 1826. They purchased land in Calhoun County,IL (across the Mississippi River from St. Charles, MO where the Mississippi river makes the horseshoe loop just before merging with Illinois River and then the Missouri River.) They also purchased an island called STYERS ISLAND in middle of Mississippi River where son, George Washington STYERS lived with his family. (STYERS Island became Big Star and Little STAR after a flood divided it. Then after the gov purchased it in early 1900's it is listed by a number instead of a name but on old maps it is distinctly STYERS ISLAND.) Marguerite had a half sister who married into the GODIN family I believe. Jean Baptiste Carpentier also came to the STATES and was found in the St. Louis-St. Charles area in early 1800's. In 1780 Jean Baptiste Carpentier was in Floressent, MO (sp?) Calhoun County is between ILL River and MISSISSIPPI RIVER now but used to cover much more...2 or 3 other counties are now cut out of the old Calhoun CO. I believe the GODINs lived on the ILL RIVER and had a house big enough to hold services when the traveling priest (catholic) came through. Styers lived down by Point Precinct. Marguerite and AJ STYERS had 9 children, we have found only 5 of them: AJ JR who died at abt 20 years old; George Washington, William David, Cornelia, & Margaret J. there may be others by names of Mary, Joseph Henry, Francis M, John Charles but these are unverified. We have found descendants for 4 of the first 5. After A. J. STYERS died, Marguerite married Joseph NAVARRE. Geo Washington STYERS married Matilda Ellen MEEKER. (Matilda's mother married Joseph Navarre's brother Antoine NAVARRE after the death of Levi MEEKER.) George and Matilda had 6 children but we have found only 2: Roy David and Sherman Monroe STYERS both buried in St. Petersburg, FL. there was a Robert and a John but we do not know if these were 2 of the 4 missing children. Also Sherman Monroe STYERS was living at same address as FREDERICK STYERS in St. Louis in 1913 directory. We don't know who Frederick is either. Did he have any descendants? William David married Margaret WHITESIDE and they came to St. Petersburg, FL too. (buried there) they had one daughter, Jesse, who married Putt Dardin HALEY. Margaret J. STYERS married Theodore DeSherlia (Degurlia). They stayed in St. Charles, MO. I understand most of their children went to California. From what I have, Rachel Johnson married Albert DeSherlia after the death or divorce of Jean Baptiste Carpentier (must sound like americanese.. Carpunky when Carpentier is pronounced in French?) Cornelia married Forrest ELLEDGE and they moved to Okeechobee, FL abt 1918. Their descendants are living in Jacksonville, FL and California. Is this the same family: From the Loiselle marriage listing, Jean Baptiste Carpentier and Angelique Godin listed as the parents of Eloi Carpentier who married Adelaide, Marcotte in 1848 in Quebec, Canada. Three of their children came to the Upper Peninsula of Michigan (Lake Linden), Philomena who married Mederic Picotte, Henri who married twice, and Simon. Note: NAVARRE, DeSHERLIA, CARPENTIER, French trappers & explorers??? Would like to find cousins who are descendants of these families. would like to find A.J. STYERS' family (ancestry) Would like to know much more about the GODIN-CARPENTIER families! Thanks, Patije and Roy Styers, 1340 Rhodes Ave, Sarasota,FL 34239-2732, FAX 941-952-0023, E-mail: Mail to: Roystyers@iname.com OR Patije@cheerful.com Denissen on CD http://www.quintinpublications.com/familygenealogies_n.html ------------------ Subject: John Navarre Quarter Back Creation Date: 8/26/00 9:00PM From: "rctta" Have you seen the sports news this week? The University of Michigan football team will have a new starting QB for their first game next week. Check out the web site for Det. News Sports: www.detnews.com/2000/um/0008/26/g01-110844.htm Bob is a graduate of U of M and he follows the sports program. We usually try to get to one Home Game a year (Homecoming). It turns out the regular QB broke his foot two days ago. So our cousin, who has never played in a regular season college game, is the back up QB and He's the Man! I assume he is our cousin, since all the Navarre's in the USA are descended from Robert de Navarre. Am I right? Now I'm so curious. I wish I know who his Dad is and which line of the family they are descended from. After you check out the story, let me know what you think. ------------ "bettajoyce chio" Monday, August 28, 2000 Did you get the snail mail I sent to you? I've been working on the cemetery pictures that I have. The Navarre photos had gotten out of hand. Now they are organized (as much as I ever am!). I have so many that don't match any names I have. I've been using your website to help, but we have almost the same names. I did find a couple, and some descrepancies. I'll go back to Monroe Lib. where I got my spouses etc. and make copies. I MAY have copied some of it wrong. Mostly St. Mary records that I did early on. For some reason (too cheap?) I didn't xerox them, at least I can't find them! I reorganized the Navarre files earlier this summer, so I could find info easier. A good plan, but it isn't working in this case! Has school started? Oh, HAPPY DAYS! Good luck on the new year. Bettajoyce ------- Descendants of Alexis Navarre 1 Alexis Navarre 1800-1864 b: February 14, 1800 in St. Antoine, River Raisin d: 1864 +Mary Ann Cadoret 1811-1889 b: September 13, 1811 m: September 09, 1833 in St. Antoine, River Raisin d: 1889 ....2 Alexander J. Navarre 1835-1862 b: Abt. 1835 d: 1862 ....2 Francis Xavier D. Navarre 1837-1906 b: 1837 d: February 07, 1906 in Oregon Twp., OH +Anna McCarty 1844-1930 b: 1844 m: 1871 d: Abt. December 23, 1930 in Bono, OH .......3 Gabrielle Navarre 1872-1961 b: 1872 d: 1961 +Guy K. Houk 1872-1945 b: 1872 m: June 13, 1897 in Toledo, OH d: 1945 .......3 Jennie Navarre 1875-1965 b: 1875 d: February 07, 1965 ....2 Cecilia Navarre 1840-b: Abt. 1840 +Thomas Dunn ....2 David Navarre 1842-1927 b: Abt. 1842 d: January 02, 1927 in Toledo, OH +Eveline Meister 1847-1924 b: Abt. 1847 d: August 13, 1924 in Toledo, OH ....2 Mary Elizabeth Navarre 1845-1932 b: 1845 d: 1932 +Cadwalader M. Williams 1841-1923 b: 1841 m: 1866 d: 1923 .......3 Thaddeus C. Williams 1878-1947 b: 1878 d: 1947 +Rena A. Momany 1882-1946 b: 1882 d: 1946 ...........4 Helen Williams 1904- b: 1904 +Elmer Lang ................5 Richard C. Lang 1941-b: 1941 ................5 Judy Lang ...........4 Archie Williams 1905-1957 b: 1905 d: 1957 +Thelma McGrew .......3 Alta Williams-1921 d: Aft. 1921 +Robert Leidel b: in Of Ida, MI .......3 Nora Williams +Unknown Smith .......3 C. Archie Williams 1870-1885 b: 1870 d: Bet. 1885-1895 ....2 Sarah Navarre 1848-b: Abt. 1848 +Fred Miller Descendants of Alexis Navarre Generation No. 1 1. ALEXIS 1 NAVARRE was born February 14, 1800 in St. Antoine, River Raisin, and died 1864. He married MARY ANN CADORET September 09, 1833 in St. Antoine, River Raisin, daughter of NICHOLAS CADORET and AMABLE HUYET. She was born September 13, 1811, and died 1889. Notes for MARY ANN CADORET: Both bride and groom resided at "Presqu'Ile" near Monroe. The Cadoret family of Michigan descends from George Cadoret, born in 1630 in France. He came to Canada and married at Quebec, in 1657. His great grandson Francis Cadoret came to Detroit, where he married in 1775. Another great grandson Nicolas Cadoret came to Detroit, where he married in 1804. More About MARY ANN CADORET: Baptism: June 08, 1814, Detroit Children of ALEXIS NAVARRE and MARY CADORET are: i. ALEXANDER J.2 NAVARRE, b. Abt. 1835; d. 1862. More About ALEXANDER J. NAVARRE: Cause of Death: Died in service 2. ii. FRANCIS XAVIER D. NAVARRE, b. 1837; d. February 07, 1906, Oregon Twp., OH. iii. CECILIA NAVARRE, b. Abt. 1840; m. THOMAS DUNN. iv. DAVID NAVARRE, b. Abt. 1842; d. January 02, 1927, Toledo, OH; m. EVELINE MEISTER; b. Abt. 1847; d. August 13, 1924, Toledo, OH.. More About DAVID NAVARRE: Medical Information: died at 86 Obituary: January 03, 1927, Toledo Blade More About EVELINE MEISTER: Medical Information: died at 77 Obituary: August 13, 1924, Toledo Blade 3. v. MARY ELIZABETH NAVARRE, b. 1845; d. 1932. vi. SARAH NAVARRE, b. Abt. 1848; m. FRED MILLER. Generation No. 2 2. FRANCIS XAVIER D.2 NAVARRE (ALEXIS 1) was born 1837, and died February 07, 1906 in Oregon Twp., OH. He married ANNA MCCARTY 1871. She was born 1844, and died Abt. December 23, 1930 in Bono, OH. More About ANNA MCCARTY: Obituary: December 23, 1930, Toledo Blade Children of FRANCIS NAVARRE and ANNA MCCARTY are: i. GABRIELLE3 NAVARRE, b. 1872; d. 1961; m. GUY K. HOUK, June 13, 1897, Toledo, OH; b. 1872; d. 1945. ii. JENNIE NAVARRE, b. 1875; d. February 07, 1965. More About JENNIE NAVARRE: Obituary: February 08, 1965, Toledo Blade Residence: February 07, 1965, 5136 Pickfair Dr., Toledo, OH. 3. MARY ELIZABETH2 NAVARRE (ALEXIS 1) was born 1845, and died 1932. She married CADWALADER M. WILLIAMS 1866. He was born 1841, and died 1923. Children of MARY NAVARRE and CADWALADER WILLIAMS are: 4. i. THADDEUS C.3 WILLIAMS, b. 1878; d. 1947. ii. ALTA WILLIAMS, d. Aft. 1921; m. ROBERT LEIDEL; b. Of Ida, MI. iii. NORA WILLIAMS, m. UNKNOWN SMITH. iv. C. ARCHIE WILLIAMS, b. 1870; d. Bet. 1885-1895. ---------- Agnes Schnee, born 19 Dec 1874 in Toledo, OH. Married David Navarre, born 3 Dec 1871. Children Ruth, Hazel (married a Peltier), Edward, Paul A., David E. NAVARRE DAVID 3 Dec 1871 OH 3 Mar 1955 LOS ANGELES 550-03-0389 mo CLUCKY fa NAVARRE also Charles P? NAVARRE, CHARLES P MALE 17 Mar 1902 OH d 9 Mar 1969 LOS ANGELES 563-01-4103 mo SCHNEE Census Place: Toledo, Lucas, Ohio Source: FHL Film 1255043 National Archives Film T9-1043 Page 87D Relation Sex Marr Race Age Birthplace Joe SCHNEE Self M M W 46 BAD Occ: Saloon Fa: BAD Mo: BAD Julia SCHNEE Wife F M W 41 BYRAN Occ: Housekeeper Fa: BYRAN Mo: BYRAN Clara SCHNEE Dau F S W 20 OH Occ: Dressmaker Fa: BAD Mo: BYRAN Sophia SCHNEE Dau F S W 16 OH Occ: Dressmaker Fa: BAD Mo: BYRAN Mena SCHNEE Dau F S W 14 OH Occ: Dressmaker Fa: BAD Mo: BYRAN Joe SCHNEE Son M S W 12 OH Occ: At School Fa: BAD Mo: BYRAN William SCHNEE Son M S W 9 OH Occ: At School Fa: BAD Mo: BYRAN Agnes SCHNEE Dau F S W 5 OH Fa: BAD Mo: BYRAN Eddie SCHNEE Son M S W 4M OH Fa: BAD Mo: BYRAN NAME DATE PARENTS Ida 21 Sep 1878 Albert Julia Hattie M. 14 Sep 1874 David Evline Gilbert 8 Aug 1867 David Victoria Mary E. 28 May 1878 George Mary E. Pearl R. 22 Dec 1876 Isadore Mary Joseph 13 Dec 1874 Isadore Rose Francis 30 Nov 1873 Isadore Rose Bruno 27 Jan 1878 Isadore Rose Evline 11 Sep 1874 J C Lilla 26 May 1871 James Adaline Kate 29 Dec 1875 James Adeline Unnamed 11 Apr 1872 Isadore Rose Francis 15 Dec 1868 Joseph Bernice Chas. 15 Oct 1875 Lamber Augustine Abram 15 Nov 1871 Lambert Angeline Delia 24 May 1878 Philip Celia Andrew 30 mar 1869 Robert R. Maria Mary 26 May 1873 Robt. Mary Louis 9 Sep 1875 R. R. Maria Sam'l. I. 26 Mar 1876 Sam'l. Eliza Jessie J. 5 Aug 1877 Tonsanit Celeste Jeneva 25 Sep 1874 Xavia Annie Gabrella 13 Dec 1871 Xervid Anna Navoy, David 3 Dec 1871 David Victoria (I will check the entries for these, but this is the spelling as it was put in the indexes.) I will find more the next time I'm at the library. I was born in Toledo and am looking for info on a Sarah Navarre. She was my great great grandmother. She married an unknown (first name) last name Durell. He was born in Monroe Mi. They had a son by the mane of George M. Durell.Maybe we are connected. I have some articles that talk about Peter Navarre and have heard my dad talk about him...Would like to hear from you. I am trying to get information on David Navarre, supposedly born on Dec. 3, 1871 near Toledo, OH. He married Agnes Schnee, also of the Toledo area. Would you be able to help? ------- 9:40:15 AM Friday, September 01, 2000 Bettajoyce, I have updated some info especially using the SSDI. I now have more specific dates on the Langs. I also had used simple math on the census records to arrive at birth years for Gay [Gabriella] and Jennie Navarre and so could be off a year depending on whether the census was taken before or after the birthday for that year. I found more specific dates for them on line [if that can be trusted: "NAVARRE BIRTHS IN LUCAS CO., OH" http://www.familyhistory.com/messages/ShowMsg.asp?id=2091725 ]. Wherever you see a soc. security no. obviously I've used SSDI. Wherever you see an obit. date, I've used the obit index at the Toledo Library. I've also added a WHAT'S NEW feature to my web site, and a MONITOR function that will e-mail you when a specific page is updated. The MONITOR function only works on the top page so far but WHAT'S NEW is now site wide!! enjoy! Marshall Descendants of Alexis Navarre Generation No. 1 1. ALEXIS 1 NAVARRE was born February 14, 1800 in St. Antoine, River Raisin, and died 1864. He married MARY ANN CADORET September 09, 1833 in St. Antoine, River Raisin, daughter of NICHOLAS CADORET and AMABLE HUYET. She was born September 13, 1811, and died 1889. Notes for MARY ANN CADORET: Both bride and groom resided at "Presqu'Ile" near Monroe. The Cadoret family of Michigan descends from George Cadoret, born in 1630 in France. He came to Canada and married at Quebec, in 1657. His great grandson Francis Cadoret came to Detroit, where he married in 1775. Another great grandson Nicolas Cadoret came to Detroit, where he married in 1804. More About MARY ANN CADORET: Baptism: June 08, 1814, Detroit Children of ALEXIS NAVARRE and MARY CADORET are: i. ALEXANDER J.15 NAVARRE, b. Abt. 1835; d. 1862. More About ALEXANDER J. NAVARRE: Cause of Death: Died in service 2. ii. FRANCIS XAVIER D. NAVARRE, b. 1837; d. Feb. 07, 1906, Oregon Twp., OH. iii. CECILIA NAVARRE, b. Abt. 1840; m. THOMAS DUNN. ii. DAVID NAVARRE, b. Abt. 1842; d. January 02, 1927, Toledo, OH; m. EVELINE MEISTER; b. Abt. 1847; d. August 13, 1924, Toledo, OH. Notes for DAVID NAVARRE: NAVARRE, DAVID; Lucas Co. OH; d. 1/2/1927 Vol. 5256 Cert. NO. 4343 More About DAVID NAVARRE: Medical Information: died at 86 DC Obituary: January 03, 1927, Toledo Blade More About EVELINE MEISTER: Medical Information: died at 77 Obituary: August 13, 1924, Toledo Blade 3. i. MARY ELIZABETH NAVARRE, b. 1845; d. 1932. vi. SARAH NAVARRE, b. Abt. 1848; m. FREDERICK MILLER. Generation No. 2 2. FRANCIS XAVIER D. 2 NAVARRE (ALEXIS 1) was born 1837, and died February 07, 1906 in Oregon Twp., OH. He married ANNA MCCARTY 1871. She was born 1844, and died Abt. December 23, 1930 in Bono, OH. Notes for FRANCIS XAVIER D. NAVARRE: DIED: NAVARRE, FRANCIS EXIVIA D. at his residence in Oregon township Wednesday, February 7th, 1906, @ 3:30 p.m., Aged 68 years Funeral from the res., Friday at 2:20. Friends invited. More About ANNA MCCARTY: Obituary: December 23, 1930, Toledo Blade Children of FRANCIS NAVARRE and ANNA MCCARTY are: i. GABRIELLE16 NAVARRE, b. December 13, 1871; d. 1961; m. GUY K. HOUK, June 13, 1897, Toledo, OH; b. 1872; d. 1945. ii. JENNIE NAVARRE, b. September 25, 1874; d. February 07, 1965. More About JENNIE NAVARRE: Obituary: February 08, 1965, Toledo Blade Residence: February 07, 1965, 5136 Pickfair Dr., Toledo, OH. 3. MARY ELIZABETH 2 NAVARRE (ALEXIS 1) was born 1845, and died 1932. She married CADWALADER M. WILLIAMS 1866. He was born 1841, and died May 31, 1923 in Lucas Co. Oh. Notes for CADWALADER M. WILLIAMS: Death: 5/31/1923 Volume: 4178 Certificate Number: 34067 Children of MARY NAVARRE and CADWALADER WILLIAMS are: 4. i. THADDEUS C. 3 WILLIAMS, b. 1878; d. 1947. ii. ALTA WILLIAMS, d. Aft. 1921; m. ROBERT LEIDEL; b. Of Ida, MI. iii. NORA WILLIAMS, m. UNKNOWN SMITH. Notes for NORA WILLIAMS: prob. County: LUCAS Death: 5/16/1919 Volume: 2992 Cert. No. 34323 ii. C. ARCHIE WILLIAMS, b. 1870; d. Bet. 1885-1895. Generation No. 3 4. THADDEUS C. 3 WILLIAMS (MARY ELIZABETH 2 NAVARRE, ALEXIS 1) was born 1878, and died 1947. He married RENA A. MOMANY, daughter of JOHN MOMANY and SARAH MCGUIRE. She was born 1882, and died 1946. Children of THADDEUS WILLIAMS and RENA MOMANY are: 5. i. HELEN 4 WILLIAMS, b. January 27, 1904; d. March 12, 1991. ii. ARCHIE WILLIAMS, b. 1905; d. 1957; m. THELMA MCGREW. Generation No. 4 5. HELEN 4 WILLIAMS (THADDEUS C. 3, MARY ELIZABETH 2 NAVARRE, ALEXIS 1) was born January 27, 1904, and died March 12, 1991. She married ELMER LANG. He was born February 21, 1902, and died January 1975. More About HELEN WILLIAMS: Graduation: 1929, University of Toledo Social Security Number: 269-42-8145 More About ELMER LANG: Social Security Number: 292-07-7006 Children of HELEN WILLIAMS and ELMER LANG are: i. RICHARD C.18 LANG, b. October 22, 1941; d. March 1972. More About RICHARD C. LANG: Social Security Number: 288-36-8819 ii. JUDY LANG. ================ Subject: great minds--- Creation Date: 9/1/00 7:26PM From: "bettajoyce chio" We've had the same ideas. I went to the OHS site and got some death info. They list two Elizabeth Williams who died in Lucas Co. 1932, Apr. and June. I'm sending for both dc. David's stone reads born 1840. I haven't seen the stone, just the records for N. Oregon Cem. They list death and THEN birth and I'm used to thinking that way and it slows me down. Too set in my ways, I guess. Also, same records have Alexis D., (1880-1941) son of David,and wife Marguerite E. (1895-1945) and infant son Alexis (1914-1915). They are all five buried near each other. Also I found some notes that I had from Canady Center and inserted some of it into the notes for Helen and for Xavier. I did a copy and paste and inserted them on here. Hope it e-mails properly. Didn't know if you have these. They are handwritten. If you didn't copy them, I'll send you a copy --if you wish. These are rough drafts, so don't hold me to good grammar etc. But, I wanted to send them! Part of the family was here today and they just left. Jon is coming home tomorrow and we have tickets for the Tiger game at the new Comerica Park. More his idea than mine. Hope your family has a good holiday. Bettajoyce Ward M. Canady Center, University of Toledo, Toledo, OH: Helen Lang had been asked to write this sketch by her friends, Lucille Emak and Esther Lind--. In part---- According to a handwritten sketch of her life and that of her family, Helen was a schoolteacher for 36 years. She and Elmer Lang had two children, Judy and Richard. She was born in Toledo. Helen states, "Dad was y. child of G & G Williams. His eldest brother Archie who was killed in a wagon accident at age 25, then there was Alta, Nora and Thad." (her father). "Dad had married his only sweetheart Rena Momany. She was 22 - he was 25 and one half. When she died at age 64.- Dad said 'she was the only girl I have ever loved and I have done the last thing I can do for her". He died 18 mo later." Her family moved when she about three years old to her grandfather and grandmother's (Williams) farm on the Navarre Tract. See below. This would be the home of Elizabeth Navarre Williams and her husband Cad. The property was originally owned and farmed by Alexis Navarre. In another place in the article she states that she was born on the farm and lived there until her marriage. This is a parcel of land given to the Navarre brothers for their service during the War of 1812. Since they were not on any pension rolls, the government provided them with this land. It had been part of the Ottawa and Autokee Indian lands. They were removed to Walpole Island (in the area of the Detroit River). Helen asserts that the "leader of the tribe was usually a woman" and in this case, her name was Petau. "Many deeds or legal papers are among my possessions with her X mark as her legal seal. The French Navarres as well as the the Indian Petau could not write or understand any English. On many legal translations done in early and middle 1800 were signed with a simple X mark." "Well my earliest impression of the farm home was the first summer we moved there. Dad and Grandpa built our new home 6 rooms down and 2 up. The thing that impressed me the most was a colored man putting white plaster over wooden slats. My brother Archie who was then about 1 and one half yrs old grew up in that house until we were about 10 or 11. Grandma and Gr. Williams lived in the big house on the same land which was a grant from the U.S. gov't to the Navarre brothers for their service in the War of 1812. These four men Alexis, Francis, Robt and Peter were Gr (andmother) Williams uncles." __________________________________________________________________ Note: According to Jennie Navarre's obituary, she died in the home of Helen Williams Lang on 5136 Pickfair Dr. ---------------------------------------------------- Navarre-Williams Papers; Ward M. Canady Center, University of Toledo, Toledo, OH: According to the article written by Helen Williams Lang, Xavier Navarre's property was eventually bought by the Standard Oil Co. and used as loading docks by that company. This area was virgin timber when she was a child and she and her brother Archie walked and played there. There was an indian burial ground near by. Elizabeth Navarre Williams tended it for the indians after they were forced to move to Walpole Island by the U.S. government. "Gr. Williams said there was much weeping and the Chieftans charged her with caring for the graves of her children which she did. Many times a canoe would appear and the c. would come to see if she was keeping shells around the graves. This virgin timber was a beautiful spot for my brother and I to visit(.) in the summer the floor of the woods was like a carpet of blue violets, white jack in the pulpit and may flowers. Then one day the Standard Oil bought the property of Jennie and Gay Navarre Hooks father (Xavier Navarre) and the woods and its stories were destroyed and replaced by big oil tanks." --------- Subject: Anthon.htm Creation Date: 9/2/00 12:58PM From: "Anne Brown" Dear Mr. Lloyd, I had no idea that the Anthons came east from Detroit: your posting is very interesting. Charles Edw. Anton and Wm. Henry Anthon were buried in the Marble Cemetery; attached is the listing for Vault 44, in case you are curious. We are trying to identify some other connections. Can you by any chance tell us the parents of the Rev. Edward Anthon, died 1903, who married 1856 NYC, Helen Louise Post? (The DAR has a small volume by Stuyvesant Fish which will say, but I'm not planning on going in to DC soon.) Thank you for any help that you can give. Very truly yours, Anne W. Brown * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Anne W. Brown (Mrs. G. S.), Trustee New York Marble Cemetery, Inc. www.marblecemetery.org ------ From: "D. K. Spencer" To: Date: 9/4/00 5:00PM Subject: Navarre Hi Marshall, I am descended from Robert Navarre 2's son Pierre Pluyette who settled in South Bend Indiana. We have long felt we were descended from Jeanne d'Albret Queen of Navarre, and Antoine de Bourbon, due to several books on the subject, notably Navarre, or researches after the descendants, Robert Navarre, compiled by Christian Dennison's Pastor of St. Charles Church, Detroit, MI printed in 1897, printed by John F Eby & Co, Detroit, that we found in the DAR Library in Washington DC a few years ago; and Robert de Navarre, the Last of the Bourbons, by Olive Chapman Lauther. However, http://webhome.infonie.fr/jomave/ferlab/navarre.html seems to say otherwise, and in the portion under http://webhome.infonie.fr/jomave/ferlab/navrob.html has a disclaimer saying our claims are not valid. At least that is what I get from the advertisement, using a French-English dictionary to pick my way through, since I do not read or speak French. What is your feeling on this ? Dot Spencer (by husband Delbert) ------- I am also descended from Robert 2. (Robert 1, Robert 2, Robert T. 3, Maria Archangele 4 [m. Wm. Navarre 5 (Robert 1, Francis 2 dit Hutro, Robert 3 H. , Robert 4 R.)], Rachael 5&6 Marie (m. Marshall Lloyd)), Robert 6&7 Bruce Lloyd, Marshall 7&8 Davies Lloyd I would like you to help me in filling in your ancestry in the tree. Marshall Davies Lloyd PO Box 158 444 Water Lane Tappahannock, VA 22560 (804) 443-9444 mlloyd@sms-va.com -------- Regarding your question, it is a puzzle. It is true that several books refer to Robert 1's claiming noble birth. His grandchildren {Peter "the Scout," and Gen. Alexander Macomb} in all their testimony refer to this as well as does the Dictionary of Canadian biography. I have seen the site in France and do not dispute his information but to say "How does a man from simple farming stock come to America as the sub-delege all for Detroit?" I haven't had time to look up all the references but I understand that this position included responsibility for the judiciary for this region and extending west and south. Why also was his wedding attended by the Mayor of Quebec?: http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?lhbum:2:./temp/~ammem_T0AC:: Item 2 of 100 Historical collections. Collections and researches made by the Michigan pioneer and historical society... Reprinted by authority of the Board of state auditors. Volume 8 MARRIAGE CONTRACT BETWEEN MR. ROBERT NAVARRE AND MISS MARIE L'HOTEMONT-BARROIS, ETC.* * Translated by Rud. Worch and Dr. F. Krusty, editors of theMichigan Volksfreund Jackson, Mich. Before the undersigned, Jacques Pean, Esquire, Seigneur de Livandière, Knight of the Military Order of St. Louis. Major of town and government of Quebec, commanding for the King in the Fort Pont Chartrain du Detroit Erie, and the Reverend Father Bonaventure, Franciscan friar, missionary at the said post. Were present Robert Navarre, son of Marie Francois Navarre and of Jeanne Pluyette, his father and mother, born in the parish of Villeroy, diocese of Meaux, in France. And Mr. Francois L'Hotemont, called Barrois, and Demoiselle Marie Anne Sauvage, his wife, residents at the said post at Detroit, who stipulate for Marie L'Hotemont-Barrois, their daughter, who is present and accepts. And the said Robert Navarre and Marie L'Hotemont-Barrois, with the agreement of their parents and the following friends, on the part of the said Robert Navarre: of the above said Esquire Pean, of Mr. Duburont, Second Commander at Detroit, and of Mr. Duyveux, on the part of Marie L'Hotemont-Barrois: of her father and her mother, of Mr. and Mrs. De Roquetaittade, her grandparents on her mother's side, of Mr. Joseph Lequin de Laderoute, her uncle, on account of Francois Sauvage, her aunt on her mother's side, and of Charles Chesne, her uncle, on account of Catherine Sauvage, her aunt on her mother's side, and of the aforesaid Rev. Bonaventure, have promised and promise to take each other for husband and wife, by laws of marriage, and to have the same celebrated as soon as it may be done, and as shall be determined upon between them and their parents. The said couple shall be married in face of Our Mother, the Holy Catholic Apostolic and Roman Church, and have everything in common, personal property, earnings and real estate, according to the custom of Paris, which is followed in this country, and to which they refer and submit. In case they should live or acquire property in countries where custom should be contrary, the said future wife shall be endowed by the said future husband in the sum of three thousand livres, which shall not be deducted from her dower proper. The surviving party shall in either case have in preferred claim upon the estate of their future common property up to the sum of two thousand livres, according to an inventory to be taken by them and to an estimate to be made before the division and without auction, or in ready cash, at the choice of the survivor. The said future husband, with his present and future rights and titles, takes the said future wife, and they have agreed with each other that in case the pre-decease of one of them shall arrive without their having any children, the share which they shall have in the said common property, shall remain and properly belong to the survivor, without his being obliged to render account of said share to the parents or heirs of the pre-deceased, they making each other a present in fee simple, in the best form in which a donation can legally be made; and in case the dissolution of the future marriage shall take place, by the decease of the future husband, the future wife shall have the choice of accepting the said future common property or rejecting and renouncing the same, to take away frank and free, all that she shall have brought in, as her dower, as well as her preferred claim, together with her clothing, linen and other things for her use, with her furniture; and in general all that which shall have come to her, or been left her, during the said future marriage, be it by succession. donation or otherwise. All this shall be reciprocal to the future husband, in case of the decease of the said future wife; and for the execution of these presents the said future married couple have made and constituted the bearer of this their procurator, to whom they gave power for them and in their name, to have the said donation recorded in the Royal Court, at Montreal. For such has been agreed and stipulated by the said parties, each promising legally and obliging and renouncing, and made and delivered at the Fort Pont Chartrain du Detroit. Erie, in the house of the said Mr. Pean, the tenth day of the month of February, one thousand seven hundred and thirty-four, at which day they have signed, the persons who are hereafter named: Mr. and Mrs. Barrois and Madame Seguin de Laderoute, having declared that they cannot write with their own hands. and having made their ordinary mark, after this document had been read to them. (Signed) Marie L'Hotemont, Robert Navarre, Pean de Livandiére, J. Bte. Laderoute (led), C. Sauvage, Duburont, Francois Bonaventure, Duyneaux, F. L. Raimbault. To-day, on the seventh of May, one thousand seven hundred thirty-four, at eight o'clock A. M., before the Royal Notary in the Royal Jurisdiction of Montreal,Has appeared, Francois L'Hotemane, called Barrois, bearer of the contract of the marriage between Robert Navarre and Marie L'Hotemane-Barrois, made before Jacques Pean, Esquire, Seigneur de Livandiére, Knight of the Military Order of St. Louis, Major of town and government of Quebec, commanding for the King in the Fort Pont Chartrain du Detroit, Erie, which said Barrois in the name and as procurator of the said Navarre and Marie Barrois has said and declared, that the parties have voluntarily agreed in presence of their parents and friends to the clauses, conditions, and conventions mentioned in said marriage contract, which remains on the with the records of our notary office so that recourse may be had to it, if occasion requires, and they are willing and consent, that it be executed according to its form and contents, as if the said contract had been delivered before myself, and said donation therein explained avails to the profit of the survivor, in the case that on the day of the decease of the dying there be no children born or expected from the said future marriage. For this purpose, and promising, and binding, and renouncing, and in order to have recorded the said marriage contract and these presents in the Royal Court at Montreal, and wherever else it may be necessary, in the interest of this said future married couple, the said parties have made and constituted the bearer of these presents their procurator, to whom they gave power to have them recorded and to require act made and delivered at the said Montreal office of the said Notary. The day and year above mentioned, in presence of Mr. Benoit and Jean Bte. Sener as witnesses, both residing at said Montreal, who have signed to the minutes of these presents in the name of the above named Barrois, after hearing them read. (Signed.)C. Portier, Royal Notary. Jurisdiction of Montreal. Sealed at Montreal. SEAL May 8, 1734. C.P. To all to whom these presents may come, greeting; In the name of Pierre Raimbault, Royal Counselor and Lieutenant General, civil and criminal, at the sent of the royal jurisdiction of Montreal, be it known that this day and date of these presents, in open court, has appeared Mr. Francois L'Hotemane, called Barrois, bearer of the Marriage Contract between Robert Navarre and Marie L'Hotemane-Barrois, taken before Jacques Pean, Esquire Seigneur de Livandiére, knight of the military Order of St. Louis, major of the Town and government of Quebec, commanding for the king at the Fort Pontchartrain du Detroit, Erie, this tenth day of February last and filed with the notorial records of Mr. Claude Portier, Royal Notary and Clerk of the Court of our jurisdiction, containing a donation pure and simple for life between living persons and irrevocable in favor of the survivor of them who accept their both and either [jointly and severally] the personal property and real estate, present and future, to enjoy them during life, as is more at length set forth in the said marriage contract, and has requested us to order it to be recorded. We, having taken cognizance of the said marriage contract of the tenth of February last and the ratification of the same delivered before Mr. C. Portier. Royal Notary, to day after hearing it read by our clerk of the Court in our court room,have ordered that the donation contained in the said marriage contract shall be recorded and registered on the register record of this seat as above named, that they may be of use and value to the parties in law and equity, whereof we order act to be taken. Given at Montreal by us, the said Lieutenant-General, in open court, Friday, the seventh of May, One Thousand Seven Hundred and Thirty-four. (Signed)C. Raimbault. C. Portier, Clerk of the Court. By order of Mr. Pierre Raimbault, Royal Counsellor, Lieutenant General, civil and criminal, at the seat of the Royal Court of Montreal, the donation contained in the marriage contract of Robert Navarre and Marie L'Hoteman -Barrois, received by Mr. Pean, Comman. of Detroit, has been recorded and registered upon the Register-Record of this Court, at the request of the said parties, in order to be of use and value in law and equity. Thereof act made at Montreal, in the said Record-Office, the twenty-second of May, one thousand seven hundred and thirty-four. (Signed)C. Portier, Clerk of the Court. ----- To: "D. K. Spencer" CC: "bettajoyce chio" ; rctta@gateway.net From: Date: 9/4/00 5:00PM Subject: Navarre 10:45 AM 9/5/00 another reference: Item 3 of 9 Collections of the State Historical Society of Wisconsin. Volume 17 1736: GARRISON NEEDED AT DETROIT [Extract of a letter from Beauharnois and Hocquart to the French Minister, dated Oct. 5, 1736. Source, same as preceding document, but vol. 65, c. 11, fol. 55.] Monseigneur-- We cannot toe strongly represent to you, Monseigneur, the Necessity of strengthening Detroit. We see no other means of attaining this object than by posting a strong garrison And granting Lands there. But this project can only be partially carried out until His Majesty is pleased to increase The number of his Troops. The Concessions which We have granted to various inhabitants for some years past have Induced them to Work more assiduously than they had hitherto done in cultivating the Soil. In 1735, from 1300 to 1400 Minots of wheat were harvested, And Monsieur Peau who has just returned from there estimates that wheat will not be worth more than 3 livres The minor This year at Detroit. At present there are at that Post a garrison of 17 soldiers, 40 families, And 80 men capable of bearing arms. We have recently granted sixteen More concessions to inhabitants of that place who asked us for them, And we append Copies thereof which We beg you, Monseigneur, to get ratified by His Majesty. The 3 or 4 inhabitants who hold concessions from the Sieur Lamothe Cadilloc can be Disturbed in the possession of Their Lands solely by The King's officers, which will not happen. They feel no anxiety on that account. We have to inform you that--upon the request made last Summer to Monsieur Péau, then the Commandant, to have a person appointed to whom The said inhabitants might pay the Cens Et rentes1 for their Lands--Monsieur Hocquart appointed One Navarre, a young man of acknowledged integrity, residing at Detroit, to act as Receiver of His Majesty's Domain, and he allowed him a commission of four sols in the Livre on the moneys collected by him. Some years ago Monsieur Hocquart granted that Individual a License as Notary, an office he fills to the satisfaction of the inhabitants.2 1 The French land taxes were summed up by the term "cens et rentes," the first being a feudal tax usually paid in kind to the seignior. At Detroit, the commandant of the post had certain rights for which he received a yearly sum, but Detroit was not a seigniory; the term "cens et rentes" is here doubtless employed in a collective sense, for what the English would call "quit-rents" due to the Crown. This tax was usually one or two sols (sous) per front foot. See Burton, Cadillac's Village (Detroit, 1896).--Ed.2 Robert Navarre was born in France in 1709, of an illegitimate branch of the royal house of that name. Soon after his arrival in Canada, he was sent to Detroit as royal notary (1728 or 1730), where in 1734 he married Marie Lothman de Barrois. Thus was founded one of the most important families among the French habitants. See Hamlin, Legends of Le Detroit (Detroit, 1884); also Denissen, Family of Navarre (Detroit, 1897). The founder, Robert Navarre, died in 1791.--Ed. [MDL note: see http://www.mlloyd.org/texts/cadillac.htm and http://www.mlloyd.org/texts/lold.htm#navarre] When Monsieur De Beauharnois appointed the Sieur Desnoyelles Commandant of that Post, he notified that Officer that The pay And The clothing of the soldiers of the Garrison to be stationed there would be at his charge. But if such Garrison exceed 30 men, as it is necessary that It should, We doubt whether any officer wishing to do his duty can undertake it. We will await The orders you may give us on the subject. If The affair of the copper mines should have as advantageous results as We have Reason to Hope, this Country will become more and more worthy of his Majesty's attention and of the jealousy of our neighbors. The Post of Missilimakinac And That of Rivière St Joseph, will require the same precautionary measures as that of Detroit. This will at first entail considerable expense upon his Majesty, But there is every Reason to believe that he will be amply compensated in future. ******** We remain with very profound respect, Monseigneur, Your very humble and very obedient servants Beauharnois Hocquart Quebec, October 5th, 1736. -------- Hi Marshall, Thank you for your prompt answer to my inquiry. The marriage contract info on Robert and Marie L-Hotemont-Barrios is appreciated. I have her down as Lothman (English translation?). I have also been corresponding with Doug Methot at the above address, who is another "cousin", as we try to determine how we are related to the royal family. You were asking for my ancestor tree which is available on URL http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=oneway&id=I0001 It is the Delbert Spencer family. Click on Dorothy Burns; my father Louis V. Burns, and his mother Julia Ellen Navarre, to start the journey back to Robert 1. I have not entered a GEDCOM for awhile, so I only go back to Robert 1 on the web site. I need to update my World Connect. I would like to have a more complete tree on your family also. Doug has a French speaking contact, and maybe he can get a translation of the Famille Navarre web site. All for now, Dot ------- Thanks for your message. My tree is on line as well http://www.mlloyd.org. I did not get the email address of Doug though. It was not in my header. RE English translation: The other way around, L-Hotemont is a Francification. The name appears to be Lootman or Lothman (the French don't really pronounce an H). Look at the rest of the document at the Hamlin site; I have a section on Lootman as well. Use also the search engine on my top page, I have over 1,000 pages on my site that don't come up under othere search engines. I'll be looking up your line. Regards, Cousin Marshall --------- Subject: Re: Navarre heritage Creation Date: 9/5/00 8:26PM From: "bettajoyce chio" Re the inquiry from Pierre Plyete descendant. It is my understanding that royalty (like Antoine, King of Navarre) legitimized the bastard children that they liked by giving them their name. I think this is what happened to our part of the family. Since he was king of Navarre, he gave his son that name, rather than de Bourbon. Since he had only Henry, a son who died as an infant, and one daughter, Catherine, by his legal wife, Jeanne, I don't see how it could have been any other way. The birth dates are wrong for Henry to be the father. If, as Olive Catherine Lauber says, (even if she made up parts of her book) he was appointed by King Louis for this job, the above would make sense. It wasn't, after all, a GREAT job, but it WAS a great opportunity. In the larger scheme of things, Robert's was a minor job. Perhaps someone at court kept in touch with that branch of the family and reccommended him. I also think it is possible that he got in some kind of trouble with someone and he was given this job to get him out of the country. (Shades of McDougal) I've never found any reference about him going home to France for a visit. Have you? I think he was given certain courtesies because of his appointment directly from the king. That in itself would make certain people want to be friendly with him. And maybe he was a personable man, who people gravitated toward. Just because his family were farmers does not mean he couldn't have been well connected. There are farmers and there are Farmers!! Also, Detroit was far from Montreal and why not embelish the heritage? Navarres have been known to do that!! What I find the most curious, however, is that Robert was so well educated, so why didn't he think it necessary to educate HIS children???? These are the thoughts of an 'old' lady. I could be way off. Thanks for 'listening'. I don't get to express these thoughts very often. Who cares? Ha. Ha. Going to Pt. Place tomorrow and will look up the Williams family and other info. I've been enjoying the new pictures on your web site. Talk to you later. Bettajoyce ---- I entirely agree. It would be nice to have more evidence but I think the ditching to America suggest something fishy. Of course there is also the matter of the Azilum in PA, or maybe Lauther is over-active in the imagination there too (or perhaps just showing her Navarre Roots). May I share your thoughts with Dot?? I'm sure she will find it interesting. love, Marshall P.S. Elizabeth Navarre and FX Navarre's obits are online now http://www.mlloyd.org/gen/navarre/images/nav-wms/enwobit.htm http://www.mlloyd.org/gen/navarre/images/nav-wms/xdnobit.htm ============ Doug is - DOUGMETHOT@ aol.com Have a high school class reunion that I am in charge of this weekend, so will be a bit slow in my genealogy for a few days. Dot ======= Bettajoyce Just got back from Toledo. It was a loooonnnnggg day! Got tons of stuff. I will share later. I'm so tired, even I don't know what I have. Yes, you may share my thoughts on our heritage if you think it's worth while. Bettajoyce ====== Using Alta Vista Translation at http://babel.altavista.com/translate.dyn we can get a partial translation of some of the Navarre French articles. I tend to think like Doug, that Pierre Navarre was enticed somehow to take Antoine's mistress and her baby son to be brought up by Pierre. I hope we can find the necessary link for sure. Dot ===== http://www.genforum.genealogy.com/navarre/messages/21.html jtn806s@mail.smsu.edu I am descended from 1.Robert Navarre and Mary Lootman dit Barois as follows. 2. Robert Navarre m. Mary Marsac b. 25 Nov, 1739 Detroit, Michigan 3. Piere Navarre m. Kisnahquah ( sometimes listed as Peter) Potawatomi women b. feb 8, 1787 Detroit, Michigan d. Dec 27, 1864 South Bend,Indiana 4. Frances Navarre m. John B. DeGraff b. Sept 5, 1830 St. Joseph, Ind d. Sept 18, 1921 5. Joseph T.Degraff m. Dora B. Riggs b. Mar 12, 1865 St. Joseph d. Oct 25, 1937 Topeka, Kansas 6. Robert George Degraff m.Sara E.Strimple b. Jul 13, 1892 d. Sept 3, 1977 7. Edna Louise DeGraff m. Hollis Bitner 8. Norma June Bitner m. Robert E. Neely 9. Justin Neely (Me) ---- Andre Marie Navarre amnfree@yahoo.com I have found all the info I need on my family line, except for the baptism record of Delbert Eugene Navarre, my grt. grandfather. Eugene was born Oct. 27,1862. In Monroe census parents are shown as Alexander and Ann Elisabeth (Bartlett)Navarre. Other Children: Albert John, Francis Joseph, Clara, Marie(Mary), William James, Alexander Francis, Sylvester,and Charles. Children were baptized at ST. Michaels, St. Patericks and St. Marys churches. (Denissen lists only St. Marys church). If anybody can shed some light on this subject I would be very grateful as this has been a long search, with the result of no baptism record. The family did move around alot. 1860-1870 they lived in Frenchtown and in 1880 they lived in Raisinville. Andre ----- Sharon Adas sharonadas@aol.com Need to know relationship between Navarre, McDougal, Buofford, Laperriere,Mingot , Lynns familys . have info on Navarre and somehow they connect to either Buofford or Laperriere but lost a couple of generations, this is my husbands side of family and her grandmothers parents names were Cy Henry Bufford and Rose Marie Laperriere, she was missing some pages she gave me on doing the research any help would be so appreciated Thanks Sharon -------- dick@navarre.org Richard Navarre 1867 Looking for any information on Moses Navarre who I believe was born in the Trenton, Michigan area. His wife was Dora Wells Robert, One of the errors of Dennison is that the "Scouts" are sons of Robert Navarre at all. The Navarre brothers are sons of Francis Navarre dit Utreau/Utro/Ultro/Hutro et. al. not his brother Robert II. The military records of "the scout" brothers in Washington list them with the middle name "Hutro" (e.g. Robert Hutro Navarre, James Hutro Navarre, etc.) Peter "the scout" also by affidavit refers to Robert H. Navarre as his brother. By tradition it was this Robert and Peter Navarre who built a cabin at the mouth of the Maumee. The Robert [Robert T. Navarre] you mention with 14 children did not even come to the Toledo area until April 1840 (hardly then a pioneer of the area). His daughter Maria Angele Navarre married Robert R. Navarre [incorrectly referred to as Robert P. in his obituary], son of Robert H. "the scout." I assure you she was NOT marrying her brother [Robert C. Navarre, the light house keeper]. All these Roberts can be confusing. MUCH of the printed matter is WRONG. Proceed with caution. regards, Marshall Davies Lloyd http://www.mlloyd.org Michelle (Susor)Grindle cigar@glasscity.net Bob, I'm not sure if I have the right Mary Archange Louisa Navarre. I have her DOB as 7/23/1770 Det., MI DOD 5/15/1851 and married a Francis Dominic Godet de Marentette on 10/20/1788. Only info I have on Francis is DOB 10/12/1763, James DOB 12/15/1766, Anthony DOB 5/26/1772 & DOD 4/19/1812 I don't have anything on Alexis and I have Robert 3/4/1765 who married Geneveva Baurdeau 4/14/1809. They had two children Robert T. Navarre 9/11/1809 and Toussaint 10/23/1810. Robert T. married Catherine Guyer (Gaillard) not sure of marrage. Robert T and Catherine had the following children: Robert C, Toussaint, Samuel, Joseph, Catherine, Archange, James, Angeline, Monica, Mary who married Francis Susor (that's were I come in), Susanne, George, Julia, Angeline, Richard, Peter and Jane (do you think that's enough?) All I have on the above are DOB's except for Mary I have til today. Let me know if I was able to help. Dennis Osgood daosgood@aol.com I have a Samuel Navarre b. 4/10/1850 in Toledo, Lucas Co., OH. I'm pretty sure of the date, not that solid on the place. Could this Samuel be the son of Robert and Catherine? The farthest I've been able to go back in my Navarre line (so far) is; Samuel Navarre, born 4/10/1850 in Toledo, Lucas Co., OH. He married a Salna Malosh in about 1875. Any connection? BIRTH: 9 Jul 1833, St. Antoine River Raisin DEATH: 18 Aug 1902, Momineetown, Lucas Co., OH EVENT: Obituary: 19 Aug 1902, Toledo Blade, at 68 years Father: Robert T. NAVARRE Mother: Catherine GAILLARD M. Phillisa NAVARRE BIRTH: ABT. 1844, OH DEATH: 18 Mar 1923, Momineetown, Lucas Co., OH BURIAL: 1923, Willow Cem., Oregon, Lucas Co., OH Father: Joseph NAVARRE, son of Robert "the scout" H. Navarre Mother: Mary BEAUBIEN see: http://www.familysearch.com/Search/IGI/igi_individual_frame.asp?recid=34124484&ldsnn=12 also my site http://mlloyd.org/cgi-bin/tree.pl?I00105 ======= The only thing I know about my grandmother Mary Josephine Navarre is she is from Michigan, had a sister named Marcellin,and they had brothers and sisters in Michigan. Marcellin was born in 1904.Can anyone help me find my grandmothers relatives.She died in 1937 and my dad was 6yrs old.She married a man by the name of Carl Nysewander. ===== The NAVARRE brothers - Peter, Robert, Francis, Alexis, Anthony, James came to Lucas County, Ohio in the early 1800's. They were born in Detroit, MI in the late 1700's. They are the sons Francis Mary Navarre dit Utreau and Mary Louisa Godet. Francis Mary Navarre was born in Detroit and is the son of Robert Navarre and Marie Lootman dit Barrois. I am looking for the wives and children of the brothers in an effort to identify my ancestor, Mary Archangela Navarre who was born in Ohio around 1820 and later married Peter Rumery in Ottawa County, Ohio. The Navarre brothers were early pioneers of Lucas County, Ohio. I know about the families of Peter, Robert, and Alexis, so I need to know more about the families of Francis, Anthony, and James because one of them is Mary's father. One or more of the brothers (Francis, Anthony, James) may have married Indian women. Your help is truly appreciated. ===== I am trying to get information on David Navarre, supposedly born on Dec. 3, 1871 near Toledo, OH. He married Agnes Schnee, also of the Toledo area. Would you be able to help? Just went back through my notes. David Navarre and Agnes Schnee were married Nov 14 1893 in St. Mary's Catholic Church on Page St. in Toledo, OH. Witnesses Johann Eggle, Anna Hobmeier, Louis M. Kramer, Sr. Maria Angele Navarre married Robert R. Navarre Marie Archange Navarre ========== thomas.dufour@sympatico.ca bkemper65@hotmail.com bggagnon@aol.com georgebailey@prodigy.net ============= Mail Envelope Properties (39C1C80C.F80 : 20 : 24448) Subject: Re: Robert R. Navarre Creation Date: 9/15/00 5:08AM From: Thomas Dufour Created By: "thomas.dufour@sympatico.ca".GWIA.SMS Mail Domain There are quite a few of the Navarre related to the surname Dufour, Tremblay, Ouellette and so on, in the area of Windsor/Detroit. They are in my files and connections as far as I could have searched. Did not really do an extensive search on Navarre specifically. Marshall; May I add your info to the tree? Some other cousin may see it and will help him with his tree. From time to time I will add another family from the Essex County Families especially the founding fathers which we are celibrating with the 300 year Celibration in Detroit & the Tricentennial in Windsor/Essex County. I am bringing the Rivard Forum & Rivard Association to the festivities for thier Rendez-Vous 2001. About 80 to 100 genealogist representing all the "dit" lines such as Lanouette, Lacousiere, Loranger, Maisonville, Lavigne ect. I believe the last count on the "dit" names of Rivard was 14. Do you have connections with the Rivard Surname? Marshall Lloyd wrote: > I saw your file on line. What is your interest in Robert R. Navarre? are you related? > > I am descended from Robert R. Navarre's son William Navarre. > > William Navarre > + Rose Emma Faneuff > Rachel Marie Navarre > +Marshall Wesley Lloyd > Robert Bruce Lloyd, Sr. > +Angela Pardington Lloyd > Marshall Davies Lloyd > > William himself was the son of two Navarres: Robert R. Navarre and Maria > Archangele Navarre. > > Robert R. descends as follows > > Robert de Navarre > +Marie Lootman dit Barrois > Francois dit Hutro Navarre > + Mary Louisa Godet > Robert Hutro Navarre > + Susanne Moore > Robert R. Navarre > +Maria Archangele Navarre > > Maria descended from 3 straight Robert Navarres back to the original > > Marshall Davies Lloyd mlloyd@sms-va.com http://www.mlloyd.org > >St. Margaret's School (W) 804 443-3357 > >PO Box 158 (H) 443-9O33 / 9444 messages > >Tappahannock, VA fax 443-1832 > > 22560 ---------- Mail Envelope Properties (39CA6816.E34 : 9 : 28212) Subject: Momenee.Mominee etc. Creation Date: 9/21/00 4:00PM From: "bettajoyce chio" Created By: "bettacj@globalbiz.net".GWIA.SMS Mail Domain Exact death dates for some of Enos Mominee's family. These are calculated from the Toledo Blade death index, pps. 4065-4068. There are lots of and various spellings of these folks, but not many that I have in my files. If you have any you want me to look up, please ask. Enos Momenee, address Momeneetown, OH: death 16 Mar 1929, age 79. Octavia M., Oregon, OH: 6 Sept 1966, age 77 Richard A., Momeneetown, OH: 27 Nov 1949, age 70 Roma I, Momeneetown, OH: 5 Dec 1951, age 65 above spellings are exact copies from the index. Alice (Mrs.) Mominee, Momineetown, OH: 5 Sept 1912, age 31 Charles J., St. Petersburg, FL: 23 July 1957, age 88 (NOTE: possible husband of Mary Garrigan Mominee) Mary, (Garrigan), Bayshore Rd. (Oregon), OH: 21 Mar 1934, age 66 Charles would be the son of Joseph Mominee and Louise Pool. Descendants of Joseph Mominee 1 Joseph Mominee 1844-? b: 1844 in Erie, MI .. +Louise Pool 1848-? b: 1848 in Gisora, France ......2 Charles Mominee ...... +Mary Garrigan ......2 Gustine Mominee ...... +Noah Cousino ......2 Clara Mominee ......2 Wallace Mominee ...... +Alice Navarre 1883-? b: January 28, 1883 ......2 Flora Mominee ...... +Gus Hoefflinger ...........3 June Hoefflinger ...........3 Paul Hoefflinger ......2 Celia Mominee ...... +Edmond Schwind ......2 Herman Mominee Descendants of René Suard dit Montminy [Enos Momenee line] 1 René Suard dit Montminy 1610-? b: Abt. 1610 in Larochelle, Aunis, Charente, France .. +Catherine Viedon 1615-? b: Abt. 1615 in Larochelle, Aunis, Charente, France ......2 William Montmeny 1662-1703 b: 1662 in France d: Abt. November 1703 ...... +Margaret Gobeille 1670-1715 b: February 26, 1670 in Chateau Richer m: February 25, 1688 in St. Jean, Isle Orleans d: March 14, 1715 ...........3 Joseph Montmeny 1693-1753 b: August 25, 1693 in St. Jean, I.o., Quebec d: February 18, 1753 in St. Michel, Quebec, Quebec ..............+Mary Angelica Forgues 1699-1762 b: September 08, 1699 in La Durantaye, Bellechasse, Quebec m: November 12, 1715 in St Michel, Bellechasse, Quebec d: December 26, 1762 in St. Michel, Quebec, Quebec .................4 Louis John Montmeny 1731-1798 b: September 01, 1731 in St. Valier, Quebec, Can d: August 01, 1798 in St. Antoine, River Raisin ....................+Agatha Amable Prudhomme 1752-? b: March 04, 1752 in Detroit .......................5 Louis Montmeny 1768-? b: December 30, 1768 in Assumption, Sandwich ..........................+Marguerite Gagnier 1780-? b: 1780 m: January 20, 1798 in St. Antoine, River Raisin ............................6 Jacques Mominee 1798-? b: December 07, 1798 ...............................+Theresa Couture 1802-? b: August 24, 1802 in Detroit, MI m: September 12, 1820 in St. Antoine ..................................7 James Momenee 1821-? b: December 12, 1821 in St Joseph Parish, Erie, Monroe, Michigan .....................................+Zoa Cousino .......................................8 Enos Momenee 1850-1929 b: January 16, 1850 in St Joseph Parish, Erie, Monroe, Michigan d: March 16, 1929 ..........................................+Elizabeth McTigue 1854-1919 b: 1854 m: 1872 in Oregon, Lucas, Ohio d: 1919 .............................................9 Roma I. Momenee 1885-1951 b: 1885 d: December 05, 1951 ................................................+Octavia M. 1888-1966 b: 1888 d: September 06, 1966 .............................................9 Edward J. Momenee 1883-? b: Abt. 1883 .............................................9 Zoé Mary Momenee 1881-1948 b: 1881 in Momineetown, Ohio d: March 23, 1948 in St. Vincent's Hospital, Toledo, OH ................................................+Edward P. Navarre 1880-1956 b: February 11, 1880 d: March 02, 1956 in Toledo, Lucas Co., OH ..................................................10 Elizabeth M. Navarre 1903-1989 b: July 18, 1903 d: June 1989 ......................................................+Wesley Wiser 1893-1980 b: December 17, 1893 d: May 1980 ...........................................................11 Sally Wiser ...............................................................+Roger Cousino ..................................................................12 Gregory Cousino ...................................................10 Ada Navarre 1909-1990 b: Jul 03, 1909 d: Jan 26, 1990 .......................................................+Fred Goetz ..........................................................11 Joanne Goetz ..............................................................+Melvin Przysiecki .................................................................12 Cheryl Przysiecki .................................................................12 Kathleen Przysiecki .................................................................12 Michael Przysiecki .................................................................12 Donald Przysiecki ..........................................................11 Edward Goetz ..............................................................+Kathleen Kovack .................................................................12 Lynn M. Goetz .................................................................12 Edward N. Goetz ..........................................................11 Donald Goetz ...................................................10 Annie Laurie Navarre .......................................................+Fred Spring .............................................9 Leo E. Momenee 1887-1976 b: 1887 in Of Elmore, OH d: 1976 ................................................+Elizabeth C. 1890-1973 b: 1890 d: 1973 .............................................9 Richard A. Momenee 1877-1949 b: Abt. 1877 d: November 27, 1949 in Momeneetown ................................................+Alice M. Dupont 1883-1968 b: 1883 d: December 20, 1968 ...................................................10 Marian Momenee .............................................9 Walter T. Momenee 1893-1962 b: 1893 d: April 27, 1962 ................................................+Emma M. 1894-1974 b: 1894 d: 1974 .............................................9 Ada Momenee ................................................+Elmer Dupont ................................................10 Charles Dupont ...................................................+Elizabeth Molnar ................................................10 Donald Dupont ...................................................+Victoria Fonner ................................................10 Walter Dupont ...................................................+Mary Hall ................................................10 Elizabeth Dupont ...................................................+Leo Vermett ..................................7 John January Momenee 1847-1909 b: March 03, 1847 in Bedford Twshp, Oh d: May 05, 1909 in Toledo, OH .....................................+Emma Emelia Burnor 1854-1928 b: March 18, 1854 in Maumee, OH m: November 23, 1875 d: February 19, 1928 in Toledo, OH .............................6 Hubert Montmeny 1812-? b: March 04, 1812 in Assumption, Sandwich ................................+Mary Dubreuil ..................................7 Celestine Angeline Mominee 1847-1924 b: Feb 22, 1847 in Erie, MI d: May 27, 1924 in Los Angeles, Ca .....................................+Tousaint Navarre 1832-1923 b: January 14, 1832 in St. Antoine River Raisin m: October 31, 1865 in Toledo, OH d: September 16, 1923 in Los Angeles, CA .......................................8 Tousaint Navarre 1866-1874 b: Sept 30, 1866 in Maumée, OH d: Bet. 1874-1875 in died between the age of 8 and 9 .......................................8 Ellen Navarre 1868-? b: September 03, 1868 in Maumée, OH .......................................8 Emma Navarre 1871-1891 b: January 11, 1871 in Maumée, OH d: Abt. 1891 .......................................8 Robert Navarre 1872-1873 b: December 31, 1872 in Maumée, OH d: Abt. January 1873 .......................................8 Evalyn Navarre 1874-1889 b: Sep 01, 1874 in Maumée, OH d: Abt. 1889 .......................................8 Jesse J. Navarre 1877-? b: August 05, 1877 in Maumée, OH ..........................................+Jessie Mary Halley m: October 11, 1898 in St. Louis Cathedral, Toledo, Lucas Co., OH .......................................8 Richard Navarre 1879-? b: September 18, 1879 in Maumée, OH .......................................8 Esther Navarre 1882-1882 b: February 23, 1882 in Maumée, OH d: September 19, 1882 in St. Louis Cathedral, Toledo, OH .......................................8 Lilly Navarre 1884-1884 b: January 25, 1884 in Maumée, OH d: Abt. August 1884 .......................................8 Hattie Navarre 1886-? b: April 06, 1886 in Maumée, OH .......................5 Francis Montmeny 1722-? b: March 15, 1722 in Assumption, Sandwich ..........................+Geneveva Bernard .............................6 Mary Louisa Montmeny 1806-? b: October 11, 1806 in St. Antoine, River Raisin ................................+Anthony Bernard Dit Lafontaine 1812-? b: Nov 14, 1812 m: July 10, 1832 in St. Antoine, River Raisin ....................................7 Catherine Bernard 1835-? b: August 25, 1835 in St. Antoine, River Raisin ======== You have some that I don't have, so thanks. Isn't SHARING wonderful???? Momineetown is the way it is spelled by the 'locals'. I remember a sign that was at the corner of Big Ditch (the old name for Stadium Rd.) and Seaman Rd. when I was younger and it was spelled with an 'i'. But like you say--Who knows? Did I tell you Enos' old store property is up for sale? It is just grass, the buildings are gone, now. I worked cleaning up the gardens until it started to rain. Good thing it did because I'm really tired! So, bye for now. Bettajoyce ============ Subject = from the Web sender's name = Terry e-mail address = Message = Hello Marshall I haven't written lately, but am looking for some direction. I would like just a basic family tree showing the line from myself back to Robert. Also the Metropark's annual Black Swamp festival at Pearson is next week. Looks like Larry Michaels and myself will dressed as the brothers - Robert and Peter. I also usually check e-mail each evening at 9 pm and I usually keep yahoo instant messenger(voice) open during that time. Hopefully you had a good summer. Looking forward to hearing from you. Terry ===== Lineage from Robert de Navarre to Terry Breymaier via Robert "the Scout" 1 Robert Navarre 1709-1791 b: 1709 in Parish of Villeroy, diocese of Meaux, province of Brittany, France d: November 1791 in Detroit, MI; bur. Nov. 24, 1791 ..+Marie Lootman dit Barrois 1719-1799 b: 1719 m: February 10, 1734 in Ste. Anne Church, Detroit d: December 1799 in Detroit, MI, bur. 20 December .....2 Francis Mary Navarre (dit Utreau) 1759-1826 b: Nov 19, 1759 in Detroit, MI d: 1826 .......+Mary Louisa Godet 1764 - b: May 03, 1764 m: February 26, 1781 in Detroit, MI .........3 Robert "the Scout" Hutro Navarre 1785-1846 b: September 08, 1785 in Detroit, MI d: February 18, 1846 in Little Cedar Point, Oh ...........+Susanne Moore 1797-1860 b: April 28, 1797 in Detroit, MI m: August 15, 1814 in Civil Ceremony d: Aft. 1860 in OH .............4 Robert R. Navarre 1830-1914 b: September 03, 1830 in Port Clinton, Oh d: January 07, 1914 in Toledo, Oh ...............+Maria Archangele Navarre 1839-1923 b: October 27, 1839 in Monroe, Michigan m: Abt. 1861 d: July 04, 1923 in Toledo, Oh ..................5 William Navarre 1863-1945 b: August 18, 1863 in Momineetown, Ohio d: October 16, 1945 in Toledo, Ohio ....................+Rosalie Emma Faneuff 1866-1935 b: December 30, 1866 in Tilbury Center, Ontario Canada m: February 01, 1887 in Toledo, OH d: July 15, 1935 in Toledo, Ohio .........................6 Llewellyn Lloyd Navarre 1899-1975 b: August 18, 1899 in Toledo, OH d: February 20, 1975 in Oregon, OH ...........................+Gertrude Zeller 1900-1984 b: June 09, 1900 in Toledo, OH d: July 1984 in Toledo, OH ...............................7 Aileen Navarre 1924-1988 b: January 03, 1924 in Toledo, OH d: Jun 10, 1988 in Freemont, OH .................................+Robert William Breymaier 1920 - b: Feb 04, 1920 in Toledo, OH m: in Toledo, OH .....................................8 Terry Breymaier 1947 - b: Dec 03, 1947 in Toledo, OH .......................................+Mary Louise Nassar 1947- b: Oct 12, 1947 in Toledo, OH m: Sep 21, 1968 in Toledo, OH ...........................................9 Meredith Breymaier 1973 - b: Jul 06, 1973 in Toledo, OH ...........................................9 James Robert Breymaier 1970 - b: Sep 30, 1970 in Toledo, OH Lineage from Robert de Navarre to Terry Breymaier via Robert Jr. "dit Touton" 1 Robert Navarre 1709-1791 b: 1709 in Parish of Villeroy, diocese of Meaux, province of Brittany, France d: Nov 1791 in Detroit, MI; bur. Nov. 24, 1791 ..+Marie Lootman dit Barrois 1719-1799 b: 1719 m: February 10, 1734 in Ste. Anne Church, Detroit d: December 1799 in Detroit, MI, bur. 20 December ......2 Robert Navarre (dit Touton) 1739-1813 b: November 25, 1739 in Detroit, MI d: December 19, 1813 in bur., Detroit, MI ........+Mary Louisa Marsac 1744-1796 b: October 26, 1744 in Detroit, MI m: December 13, 1762 in Detroit, MI d: October 10, 1796 in Detroit, MI .............3 Robert Navarre 1765-1829 b: March 04, 1765 in Navarre Farm, (Brevoort) SW coast of Detroit d: Bef. 1829 in War of 1812? ...............+Geneveva Bourdeau 1767-1829 b: November 13, 1767 in Assumption Sandwich m: April 14, 1809 in Monroe, Michigan before magistrate Christopher Tuttle d: December 1829 in St. Antoine River Raisin ...................4 Robert T. Navarre 1809 - b: September 11, 1809 in St. Antoine, River Raisin .....................+Catherine Gaillard (or Guyor) 1814-1892 b: June 16, 1814 in St. Antoine River Raisin d: July 12, 1892 in Toledo, Oh ..........................5 Maria Archangele Navarre 1839-1923 b: October 27, 1839 in Monroe, Michigan d: July 04, 1923 in Toledo, Oh ............................+Robert R. Navarre 1830-1914 b: Sept 03, 1830 Port Clinton, Oh m: Abt. 1861 d: January 07, 1914 in Toledo, Oh .................................6 William Navarre 1863-1945 b: August 18, 1863 in Momineetown, Oh d: Oct 16, 1945 in Toledo, Ohio ...................................+Rosalie Emma Faneuff 1866-1935 b: Dec 30, 1866 in Tilbury Center, Ontario Canada m: Feb 01, 1887 in Toledo, OH d: July 15, 1935 in Toledo, Ohio .......................................7 Llewellyn Lloyd Navarre 1899-1975 b:Aug 18,1899 in Toledo, OH d: Feb 20, 1975 in Oregon, OH .........................................+Gertrude Zeller 1900-1984 b: June 09, 1900 in Toledo, OH d: July 1984 in Toledo, OH ..............................................8 Aileen Navarre 1924-1988 b: Jan 03, 1924 in Toledo, OH d: Jun 10, 1988 in Freemont, OH ................................................+Robert William Breymaier 1920- b: Feb 04, 1920 in Toledo, OH m: in Toledo, OH ......................................................9 Terry Breymaier 1947 - b: Dec 03, 1947 in Toledo, OH ........................................................+Mary Louise Nassar 1947 - b: Oct 12, 1947 in Toledo, OH m: Sep 21, 1968 in Toledo, OH .............................................................10 Meredith Breymaier 1973- b: Jul 06, 1973 in Toledo, OH .............................................................10 James Robert Breymaier 1970 - b: Sep 30, 1970 in Toledo, OH ======== Sorry to reprint the message, but I wanted to cover all your points: First and foremost, I'm happy to say that I have been succesful in transferring home movies to VHS format then VHS to computer files. My first effort is a little clip of William Navarre doffing his cap! It's now in GIF format so it should be readable by anyones browser. It's 1/3 of a MEG so it may take a while to download (the original file was 30 Meg so I scaled it down quite a bit). Tell me what you think. I have many more, Aunt Mary, Olive and Jake Rechin etc. http://www.mlloyd.org/gen/navarre/images/anim/wmn01.gif Please use whatever I have created. I agree with you that the more who come to the common table of information, the more we will have. My understanding is that legal documents are without copywrite [as they are meant as public documents, e.g. filed at courthouses]. Photos from Canaday Center need approval but their own literature states that no such approval is needed for legal records. Material that is over 75 years old, I believe, can no longer hold a copywrite. However, since most of the photos that I have used on my site have been edited, croped, etc. "my edition" of them are "new" and NOT public domain. Nevertheless, I freely give you permission to use them. I would appreciate your distributing my URL as possible. I don't really consider any of this "mine" but would like the site to become the shared archive for our family. I hope many will come to feel that any photos, materials, etc. any individual "happens" to inherit are merely in that ones stewardship but really "belong" equally to the whole family. I think when quoting an article from the Blade you are not "depriving them of income." There should really not be a problem. My scans, as you say, look better because I scan them at a high resolution and clean stray marks before reducing them for the web. If the copy is seriously stained, I scan it in color, select all the black (which corresponds to the ink of the printing), invert the selection and delete everything EXCEPT the black. It's the same with the photos, I repair and edit before saving a copy for the website. If there are any photos you want worked on for your project let me know if I can help scan/clean or anything. I also am using a $600 program so it does nice work. Celestine Mominee: my interest in her started with finding Tousaint's CW pension records in DC and noticing I had seen the name before. Most of the Mominee material came from either Denisson or Fassett but some of the connecting links came from the Mormons www.familysearch.com Dupont material came from Fassett. Przysiecki info came from some notes Rachael (Grandma) Navarre had taken on the family tree. It was these notes that had "Betta Joyce (sic.) Faneuff Chio MI" and I thought Chio, MI was a town. I'm late for lunch, gotta go. Thanks again for everything you sent, I'm currently working on lining up the DC in the OHS history site with Navarres in the tree. Hope you like the movie. Marshall ============= You sent: Mail Envelope Properties (39D38810.CC1 : 9 : 31937) Subject: Information Creation Date: 9/28/00 2:07PM From: "bettajoyce chio" >>> "bettajoyce chio" 09/28/00 02:07PM >>> Mary Ellen Schreiter has asked me to put together some information on the Navarres for the Oregon-Jerusalem Historical Society. I would like to use copies of some pictures and articles from your web site. A lot of it I have written on my own. But some of the obits and news articles you have copied to your site and they LOOK much nicer than the scanned copies that I have made. Also pictures taken from your site print much better than the ones I scan. I don't know much about copyrights etc. (except it isn't nice to use other peoples stuff and that you can get into trouble doing so!!) If references are given, is that enough? For instance the obituaries. Times, Blade etc. and the dates. What about the pictures you have used that people sent to you? Also the Alexis Navarre pictures from the Canaday Center? It will be an informal home printed version of our family. I told her I couldn't spend a LOT of time on it. I thought I'd stay primarily with our family. Robert/Maria, their parents and their children. But, I thought it might be nice to add the Alexis stuff you've accumulated lately. As for Peter, the scout--enough has been said about him already. I have rec'd help from many people over the years and I have kept track of who gave me what information. I was thinking of listing the people who have provided info to me and thanking them. I would want to give you a HUGE thanks and tell anyone who is reading it to visit your website and give the address. You wouldn't mind that, would you? The more people that look, the more 'goodies' they may send to you. I have some plain business cards that I could print the address on and put them in the book so people could just take one. Please let me know what you think. The more I looked at the Mominee/Mominee info you sent, the more I could see you had filled in huge gaps. I had nothing on the Przysiecki family and the Duponts. Could you tell me the ref. you used for them? So thanks much for that. And I was able to give Toussaint Navarre's wife Celestine Mominee a dad and mom! Don't know WHY i didn't see that before! Sometimes I can be pretty dense. Reply when you have time. Bettajoyce ====== Ken and I were in Ohio today and I could have gone if I'd read my mail last night or this morning!! Can't go back tomorrow. He went to the farm and I went to Elliston Cem. from there (for a couple of hours.) Found some Navarres and took pictures. I really went to find his great grandparents. Obit said that I found said he was buried there. i've now walked ALL of the cemetery and cannot find them. Also a few others from the OTHER part of my family that I hadn't known were relatives when I was there last time. So, it goes. I rec'd your e-mail also. Thank you for clearing up the finer points on copyrights. And thanks for the permissions. Also your sources. There is a town in MI called Clio. Did that ever confuse you?? Got to fix dinner. Bettajoyce ---------- From: "Mary Ellen Schreiter" To: "Bettajoyce Chio" Subject: Navarre Date: Thu, Sep 28, 2000, 10:05 PM Tomorrow, Friday, Sept. 29th is Peter Navarre Day at Navarre Park from 11:30 to 2 P.M. Not certain about the activities but know it will be a memorial to Robert & Peter Navarre, if I understood them correctly at East Toledo Historical Meeting tonight. Then Saturday, from 2P.M. to 6 P.M. there will be a celebration honoring Civil War Soldiers at Willow Cemetery, which is located just off Woodville Road on Pickle Road. A number of reinactors will be present and the object is to try and make some money, currently by donation to replace the soldier that deteriorated that was atop the Civil War Memorial in the middle of the first driveway. First driveway will be completely closed off. Parking will be at Sun Oil lot on Woodville Road and past the cemetery just before the railroad track. If you decide to come, wear comfortable walking shoes. Don't know about transportation too and from the lots. Claude and I will be at the Oregon-Jerusalem Historical Society's table part of the time in the caretakers garage along with East Toledo Historical Society and the Sons of Civil War Veterans. Each organization will be selling something, bake goods, beverages, memoribilia. A couple of other things we recently learned. Carlisle Barracks, Carlisle, PA would like any copies of Civil War Veterans that you might have of family members. If interested let me know as I have a complete address. Also, a group has been formed for ancesters of pilgrims. Have name of the Ohio Rep but don't know about Michigan. Leave me know on both addresses. Hope you read your E-mail tonight. We just got home from meeting at 9:45 p.m. clmesch ===== Monday, October 02, 2000 to bettajoyce from marshall I'm still digesting the bounteous material you sent snail mail. While at the Toledo Public Library a few years ago Papa showed me the Mt. Carmel entry you sent: Navarre, James H. d. Nov 17, 1851 Age 68 yrs "could this be James Hutro" At that point I did the simple math and came up with b. 1783 and thought it must not be "the scout," since Denisson has the Hutro's son James as born 7 apr 1788. Also Fassett reports James as dying in 1855. I have since grown far more sceptical of anything I read. For one thing, Fassett seems fond of using the census for her dates, using simple math, and then reporting the year as fact [see her material on Peter's children, she is often off by a year once we find tombstones etc.]. I guess we should really be using "ABT." more. I wondered at the time if the mere fact that James Hutro appears in the 1850 census and not the 1860 put his death, for her, at 1855. It is much harder for an author to fudge an entire date like Denisson's birth date for James H. as 7 apr 1788 or the cemetery register's death date for him as Nov 17, 1851. The truely curious point is that if you take Denisson's date 1788 and the cemetery's age at death 68, the result is 1855 Fassett's death date. She may have known this "fact" i.e. age 68 at death and done the math on Denisson. Since we have this date I think it will be important to scour Newspapers for the week of Nov 17, 1851 and see if anything appears. Peter would have still been alive and he may have given some of the info and often fudged on his own age. Another tactic is to go back and say "If this isn't the scout, Who is it?" Surely in 1851 there were several James Navarres, but not as old as 68. Would you agree that at that age we are definately talking about a grandson of Robert I. I don't know of any son of Robert I named James (i.e. in the second generation), and in the third generation there is only Robert Jr's son James b. 15 Dec 1766. Peter the scout had a James b. 6 Dec 1832 and Alexis Platt has a James b. 1816. I think I'm inclined to think now that this is our James gotta go, class is beginning regards, Marshall P.S. How long did it take you to download the movie of WM Navarre? ===== error 'ASP 0113' Script timed out /deliverccdoc.asp The maximum amount of time for a script to execute was exceeded. You can change this limit by specifying a new value for the property Server.ScriptTimeOut or by changing the value in the IIS administration tools. http://www.newslibrary.com/deliverccdoc.asp?SMH=241712 ===== Toledo Blade Article published September 29, 2000 Tours of East Side cemetery will bring the Civil War home In the mid-1800s, Hyatt Ford was co-owner of a nursery along the Maumee River just south of downtown. He and his partner, Hyatt Ensign, traded their trees for plots at the new Willow Cemetery in Oregon. His parents, killed in the East Toledo cholera epidemic of 1854, were among the first to be buried there. When activity in the Civil War ratcheted up, Ford organized 100 area men to become Company B of the 67th Regiment and marched them out east. In March, 1862 during the Battle of Winchester in northern Virginia, he was shot in the eye, dead at 33. Captain Ford's grave is one of many on tomorrow's tour of graves of soldiers and pioneers buried at Willow Cemetery, 1961 Pickle Rd. in Oregon. "Willow Walk" will offer free tours between 2 and 6 p.m. as well as period music by the dulcimer trio Images, costumed re-enactors, and rides on a vintage-style mini train for children around the 32-acre cemetery. Jeff Eversman, president of the East Toledo Historical Society and co-author with Larry Michaels of The Civil War and East Toledo, attends to Captain Ford's grave and several others through his involvement in Sons of Union Veterans of the Civil War. Willow Cemetery was created with an initial five acres purchased in 1853 by Oregon Township from Oliver Stevens, a farmer whose 400 acres are now home to Navarre Park and Sun Oil, he said. Of the 80 Civil War veterans buried in Willow, 27 lie at the base of a deteriorated 1882 monument to "Billy Yank," a private. Saturday afternoon, Chad Albert, 33, will be attired in a private's uniform and, standing atop the base, will strike the pose of a soldier. Mr. Eversman said the Sons of Union Veterans plans to raise an estimated $30,000 to have a new "Billy Yank" statue cast and mounted. The event is free but visitors can make a donation. ===== Donald Sorby July 18, 1998 mailto:dsorby@worldnet.att.net I am interested in determining information about the parents of Peter Momany. In the 1850 US census, Peter and siblings Amanda, Isadore and Samuel lived in Bay Township, Ottawa County with John and Elizabeth Thomas. It is probable that Elizabeth Thomas was mother of the Momany children but this is not confirmed. The name of the Momany father is unknown. Peter was born about 1831, probably in Ohio. The Thomas family moved to Minnesota, Goodhue Co., during the 1850s and Peter lived there until about 1872 when he moved to Dodge Co, NE. I will be pleased to share information about peter and his descendants. RUMERY, Daniel. Had 2 daughters, Mary and Adelia. Adelia Amy RUMERY was born Jan. 22, 1888 maybe in Michigan. She was part Ottawa Indian. Somehow, Peter Navarre is a relative. She married Frank Diedrich (Dietrich) who was baptized in St. Paul's Lutheran Church -Ottawa Co. Ohio. Thanks for any help. Bob Wilson ----- http://www.potawatomi.org/hownikan/9801/walking.htm Edna Frances DeVader Edna Frances DeVader, 80, died Thursday, Nov. 27, 1997, at her home in Holton, Kansas. She was born Jan. 8, 1917, at Marple Hill, the daughter of Henry M. and Edith L. Burns Martin. She was graduated from Rossville High School in 1935 and from Stewart's Beauty School in Topeka. Mrs. DeVader organized and founded the Holton Community Dinners for Thanksgiving and Christmas and saw the 13th Thanksgiving dinner this year. She also was involved with Birthright and Right-To-Life in Jackson County, and she served on the board of directors of the Jackson County Training Center. Mrs. DeVader was a member of St. Dominic Catholic Church in Holton, the Altar Society at the church and the Holton Area Chamber of Commerce. She married Chester Arvid Johnson on April 28, 1941. He died May 6, 1947. She later married Francis DeVader on March 18, 1953, at Davey, Neb. He survives. Other survivors include five sons, Dan E. DeVader, Henry F. DeVader, Peter E. DeVader, Douglas W. DeVader and Martin J. DeVader, all of Holton; three daughters, Jan Heslop, Neosho Falls; Ingrid Kelly, Laguna Beach, Calif.; and Lisa Gerhardt, Netawaka; a brother, Charles Martin, Silver Lake; five sisters, Olive Baird, Neosho, Mo.; Doris McGee, Jackpot, Nev.; Gladys Immenschuh, Augusta; Betty J. Gibson, Topeka; and Catherine DeVader, Delia; 21 grandchildren; and nine great-grandchildren. Mrs. DeVader also was preceded in death by a son, Dennis DeVader, on Sept. 12, 1974, and a great-grandson, James Christopher Schmidt. Mass of Christian Burial was celebrated at St. Dominic Catholic Church in Holton. Burial was in Mount Calvary Cemetery west of Holton. Memorial contributions may be made to Crisis Pregnancy Center of Jackson County or to the Jackson County Training Center and sent in care of the Dension State Bank in Holton. Mrs. DeVader was the granddaughter of Julia Navarre Burns and great-granddaughter of Peter Navarre and Ellen. ==== Here are my notes on this line: Descendants of Peter Freischutz Navarre Generation No. 1 1. PETER FREISCHUTZ15 NAVARRE (PETER PLUYETTE14, ROBERT13, ROBERT12, ANTOINE MARIE FRANÇOIS11, ANTOINE NAVARRE DU PLESSIS EN10 BOIS, JEAN9 NAVARRE, MARTIN NAVARRE8 DE VILLEROI, JEAN7 NAVARRE, ANTOINE6 OF BOURBON, CHARLES5, FRANÇOIS4, JEAN II3, LOUIS2, JEAN I1) was born 1820 in South Bend, St. Joseph, Indiana, and died March 31, 1874 in St. Mary's, Potawatomie County, Kansas. He married MARY ELLEN PAGE November 02, 1844 in Berrien County, MI. She was born October 1831. More About PETER FREISCHUTZ NAVARRE: Burial: St. Mary's, Potawatomie County, Kansas Children of PETER NAVARRE and MARY PAGE are: i. MARY AGNES16 NAVARRE, b. January 19, 1845. ii. GREGORY NAVARRE, b. July 24, 1846. iii. PETER NAVARRE, b. September 17, 1848. iv. JEROME NAVARRE, b. December 16, 1852. v. LOUIS MITCHELL NAVARRE, b. January 14, 1855. vi. JOSEPH NAVARRE, b. March 04, 1856. vii. FRANCIS NAVARRE, b. September 25, 1857. 2. viii. JULIA ELLEN NAVARRE, b. February 16, 1861, South Bend, St. Joseph, Indiana; d. November 16, 1928, Rossville, Kansas. ix. CAROLINE NAVARRE, b. December 1867. Generation No. 2 2. JULIA ELLEN16 NAVARRE (PETER FREISCHUTZ15, PETER PLUYETTE14, ROBERT13, ROBERT12, ANTOINE MARIE FRANÇOIS11, ANTOINE NAVARRE DU PLESSIS EN10 BOIS, JEAN9 NAVARRE, MARTIN NAVARRE8 DE VILLEROI, JEAN7 NAVARRE, ANTOINE6 OF BOURBON, CHARLES5, FRANÇOIS4, JEAN II3, LOUIS2, JEAN I1) was born February 16, 1861 in South Bend, St. Joseph, Indiana, and died November 16, 1928 in Rossville, Kansas. She married JOEL VANDIVER BURNS October 25, 1882 in Rossville, Kansas. He was born December 03, 1862. More About JULIA ELLEN NAVARRE: Burial: Abt. February 1861, Rossville, Kansas Cemetery Children of JULIA NAVARRE and JOEL BURNS are: i. REYNA17 BURNS. 3. ii. LOUIS VANDIVER BURNS, b. May 26, 1883, Rossville, Kansas; d. October 09, 1948, Jackson County, Holton, Kansas. iii. NORA ELLEN BURNS, b. September 16, 1886. 4. iv. EDITH ISABEL BURNS, b. May 27, 1889, Rossville, Kansas. v. VIOLET MARY BURNS, b. June 06, 1892, Rossville, Kansas. vi. EDNA FRANCIS BURNS, b. March 23, 1898, Rossville, Kansas. vii. GEORGE RAYMON BURNS, b. June 02, 1901, Rossville, Kansas. viii. MAMIE MARIE BURNS, b. Rossville, Kansas. Generation No. 3 3. LOUIS VANDIVER17 BURNS (JULIA ELLEN16 NAVARRE, PETER FREISCHUTZ15, PETER PLUYETTE14, ROBERT13, ROBERT12, ANTOINE MARIE FRANÇOIS11, ANTOINE NAVARRE DU PLESSIS EN10 BOIS, JEAN9 NAVARRE, MARTIN NAVARRE8 DE VILLEROI, JEAN7 NAVARRE, ANTOINE6 OF BOURBON, CHARLES5, FRANÇOIS4, JEAN II3, LOUIS2, JEAN I1) was born May 26, 1883 in Rossville, Kansas, and died October 09, 1948 in Jackson County, Holton, Kansas. He married ESTELLA MYRTLE STAMP June 24, 1907 in Rossville, Kansas, daughter of ALBERT STAMP and ROENA RICHARDS. She was born December 28, 1891 in Rossville, Kansas, and died November 30, 1961 in Pueblo, CO. More About LOUIS VANDIVER BURNS: Burial: Abt. October 1848, Rossville, Kansas Cemetery More About ESTELLA MYRTLE STAMP: Burial: December 07, 1961, Rossville, Kansas Children of LOUIS BURNS and ESTELLA STAMP are: 5. i. VERNA ALBERTA18 BURNS, b. March 05, 1909, Rossville, Kansas; d. September 28, 1971, Holton, Jackson Co, KS. ii. JOSEPH HENRY BURNS, b. October 28, 1910, Rossville, Kansas; d. June 20, 1971, La Junta, CO. More About JOSEPH HENRY BURNS: Burial: Abt. June 1971, La Junta Fairview Cemetery iii. JAMES BURNS, b. October 03, 1912; d. October 08, 1912, Rossville, Kansas. More About JAMES BURNS: Burial: Abt. October 1912, Rossville, Kansas cemetery 6. iv. RUBY FRANCES BURNS, b. June 20, 1914, Rossville, Kansas; d. October 03, 1940, La Junta, CO. 7. v. GEORGIA LORETTA BURNS, b. November 01, 1917, Rossville, Kansas; d. August 11, 1995, Springdale, Arkansas. 8. vi. ALBERT VANDIVER BURNS. vii. EDNA VIOLA BURNS, b. December 16, 1921; d. December 23, 1921, Rossville, Kansas. More About EDNA VIOLA BURNS: Burial: Rossville, Kansas cemetery viii. THOMAS LOUIS BURNS, b. June 27, 1923, Rossville, Kansas; d. May 08, 1984, Tuscon, AZ; m. DORIS RUPP. More About THOMAS LOUIS BURNS: Baptism: June 27, 1923, Rossville, Kansas Burial: Abt. May 14, 1984, La Junta Colorado Fairview cemetery 9. ix. DOROTHY MAE BURNS, b. Aft. 1923. x. NORMA JEAN BURNS, m. MARIAN GOHEEN, April 15, 1950, Topeka, KS. xi. FLORENCE GRACE BURNS, m. ROBERT SINGER. xii. EDWIN MARION BURNS, m. NORITA HOUCHENS, Rocky Ford, Colorado Methodist Church. 4. EDITH ISABEL17 BURNS (JULIA ELLEN16 NAVARRE, PETER FREISCHUTZ15, PETER PLUYETTE14, ROBERT13, ROBERT12, ANTOINE MARIE FRANÇOIS11, ANTOINE NAVARRE DU PLESSIS EN10 BOIS, JEAN9 NAVARRE, MARTIN NAVARRE8 DE VILLEROI, JEAN7 NAVARRE, ANTOINE6 OF BOURBON, CHARLES5, FRANÇOIS4, JEAN II3, LOUIS2, JEAN I1) was born May 27, 1889 in Rossville, Kansas. She married HENRY MILLER MARTIN. He was born Abt. 1891 in Mapel Hill, Kansas. Children of EDITH BURNS and HENRY MARTIN are: 10. i. EDNA FRANCES18 MARTIN, b. January 08, 1917, Mapel Hill, Kansas. ii. CHARLES MARTIN, b. Of Silver Lake. iii. OLIVE MARTIN, m. MALE BAIRD; b. of Neosho, Mo.. iv. DORIS MARTIN, m. MALE MCGHEE; b. Of Jackpot, Nev.. v. GLADYS MARTIN, m. MALE IMMENSCHUH; b. Of Augusta. vi. BETTY J. MARTIN, m. MALE GIBSON; b. Of Topeka. vii. CATHERINE MARTIN, m. MALE DEVADER; b. Of Delia. Generation No. 4 5. VERNA ALBERTA18 BURNS (LOUIS VANDIVER17, JULIA ELLEN16 NAVARRE, PETER FREISCHUTZ15, PETER PLUYETTE14, ROBERT13, ROBERT12, ANTOINE MARIE FRANÇOIS11, ANTOINE NAVARRE DU PLESSIS EN10 BOIS, JEAN9 NAVARRE, MARTIN NAVARRE8 DE VILLEROI, JEAN7 NAVARRE, ANTOINE6 OF BOURBON, CHARLES5, FRANÇOIS4, JEAN II3, LOUIS2, JEAN I1) was born March 05, 1909 in Rossville, Kansas, and died September 28, 1971 in Holton, Jackson Co, KS. She married (1) CURTIS EUGENE CRAIG Bef. 1935. She married (2) JOHN ALFRED FELPS November 30, 1935 in Las Animas, CO. He was born November 13, 1908 in Marlow, OK. Child of VERNA BURNS and CURTIS CRAIG is: i. NINA MARIE19 CRAIG. Children of VERNA BURNS and JOHN FELPS are: ii. LARRY JOE19 FELPS. iii. AUDREY FELPS. iv. JERRY FELPS. v. JOHN VANDIVER FELPS, b. October 17, 1941, Pueblo, CO. vi. FLORENCE FELPS. 6. RUBY FRANCES18 BURNS (LOUIS VANDIVER17, JULIA ELLEN16 NAVARRE, PETER FREISCHUTZ15, PETER PLUYETTE14, ROBERT13, ROBERT12, ANTOINE MARIE FRANÇOIS11, ANTOINE NAVARRE DU PLESSIS EN10 BOIS, JEAN9 NAVARRE, MARTIN NAVARRE8 DE VILLEROI, JEAN7 NAVARRE, ANTOINE6 OF BOURBON, CHARLES5, FRANÇOIS4, JEAN II3, LOUIS2, JEAN I1) was born June 20, 1914 in Rossville, Kansas, and died October 03, 1940 in La Junta, CO. She married LOYAL SELEY June 29, 1939 in La Junta, CO. More About RUBY FRANCES BURNS: Baptism: August 30, 1914, Rossville, Kansas Burial: Abt. October 1940, La Junta, Colorado Fairview cemetery Child of RUBY BURNS and LOYAL SELEY is: i. PATTY JEAN19 SELEY, b. Abt. 1940. 7. GEORGIA LORETTA18 BURNS (LOUIS VANDIVER17, JULIA ELLEN16 NAVARRE, PETER FREISCHUTZ15, PETER PLUYETTE14, ROBERT13, ROBERT12, ANTOINE MARIE FRANÇOIS11, ANTOINE NAVARRE DU PLESSIS EN10 BOIS, JEAN9 NAVARRE, MARTIN NAVARRE8 DE VILLEROI, JEAN7 NAVARRE, ANTOINE6 OF BOURBON, CHARLES5, FRANÇOIS4, JEAN II3, LOUIS2, JEAN I1) was born November 01, 1917 in Rossville, Kansas, and died August 11, 1995 in Springdale, Arkansas. She married OSCAR HAISE January 22, 1937 in Crowley, CO. Children of GEORGIA BURNS and OSCAR HAISE are: i. JACQUELIN19 HAISE. ii. ROGER HAISE. 8. ALBERT VANDIVER18 BURNS (LOUIS VANDIVER17, JULIA ELLEN16 NAVARRE, PETER FREISCHUTZ15, PETER PLUYETTE14, ROBERT13, ROBERT12, ANTOINE MARIE FRANÇOIS11, ANTOINE NAVARRE DU PLESSIS EN10 BOIS, JEAN9 NAVARRE, MARTIN NAVARRE8 DE VILLEROI, JEAN7 NAVARRE, ANTOINE6 OF BOURBON, CHARLES5, FRANÇOIS4, JEAN II3, LOUIS2, JEAN I1) He married MARTHA HERMINIA JACOBS. She was born June 26, 1920. Children of ALBERT BURNS and MARTHA JACOBS are: i. TOMMY LOU19 BURNS. ii. ESTELLA BURNS. iii. MARION BURNS. iv. JUANITA BURNS. v. RICHARD BURNS. 9. DOROTHY MAE18 BURNS (LOUIS VANDIVER17, JULIA ELLEN16 NAVARRE, PETER FREISCHUTZ15, PETER PLUYETTE14, ROBERT13, ROBERT12, ANTOINE MARIE FRANÇOIS11, ANTOINE NAVARRE DU PLESSIS EN10 BOIS, JEAN9 NAVARRE, MARTIN NAVARRE8 DE VILLEROI, JEAN7 NAVARRE, ANTOINE6 OF BOURBON, CHARLES5, FRANÇOIS4, JEAN II3, LOUIS2, JEAN I1) was born Aft. 1923. She married DELBERT KAY SPENCER February 29, 1948 in Raton New Mexico. Children of DOROTHY BURNS and DELBERT SPENCER are: 11. i. RONALD JOE19 SPENCER. ii. SUSAN KAYE SPENCER. 10. EDNA FRANCES18 MARTIN (EDITH ISABEL17 BURNS, JULIA ELLEN16 NAVARRE, PETER FREISCHUTZ15, PETER PLUYETTE14, ROBERT13, ROBERT12, ANTOINE MARIE FRANÇOIS11, ANTOINE NAVARRE DU PLESSIS EN10 BOIS, JEAN9 NAVARRE, MARTIN NAVARRE8 DE VILLEROI, JEAN7 NAVARRE, ANTOINE6 OF BOURBON, CHARLES5, FRANÇOIS4, JEAN II3, LOUIS2, JEAN I1) was born January 08, 1917 in Mapel Hill, Kansas. She married (1) CHESTER ARVID JOHNSON April 28, 1941. He died May 06, 1947. She married (2) FRANCIS DEVADER March 18, 1953 in Davey, NE. More About EDNA FRANCES MARTIN: Burial: Mount Calvary Cemetery, near Holton Graduation: 1935, Rossville High School Children of EDNA MARTIN and FRANCIS DEVADER are: i. DAN E.19 DEVADER, b. Of Holton. ii. HENRY F. DEVADER, b. Of Holton. iii. PETER E. DEVADER, b. Of Holton. iv. DOUGLAS W. DEVADER, b. Of Holton. v. MARTIN J. DEVADER, b. Of Holton. vi. JAN DEVADER, m. MALE HESLOP; b. of Neosho Falls. vii. INGRID DEVADER, m. MALE KELLY; b. of Laguna Beach, Calif.. viii. LISA DEVADER, m. MALE GERHARDT; b. of Netawaka. ix. DENNIS DEVADER, d. September 12, 1974. Generation No. 5 11. RONALD JOE19 SPENCER (DOROTHY MAE18 BURNS, LOUIS VANDIVER17, JULIA ELLEN16 NAVARRE, PETER FREISCHUTZ15, PETER PLUYETTE14, ROBERT13, ROBERT12, ANTOINE MARIE FRANÇOIS11, ANTOINE NAVARRE DU PLESSIS EN10 BOIS, JEAN9 NAVARRE, MARTIN NAVARRE8 DE VILLEROI, JEAN7 NAVARRE, ANTOINE6 OF BOURBON, CHARLES5, FRANÇOIS4, JEAN II3, LOUIS2, JEAN I1) He married ELISABETH MARIE KIKOS January 10, 1976 in Charleston, SC, daughter of PETER KIKOS and LEILA BAILEY. Children of RONALD SPENCER and ELISABETH KIKOS are: i. JOEL LUCAS20 SPENCER. ii. JEREMY MATTHEW SPENCER. iii. NATHAN ANDREW SPENCER. ========== 10/5/00 Thanks for the video! I have attached pictures from last weekend. Larry Michaels and I spent Sunday afternoon at the Black Swamp Festival at Pearson Metropark. Larry as Peter and myself as Robert spent time talking to the guests about our heritage. Larry also was a featured presenter with a slide presentation on "Heros of the Great Black Swamp" Friday was Peter Navarre Day at Navarre Park. The entire student body from Navarre School walked to the Park. There were seven different stations around the park where various activities occurred. What a great day. Each grade level came and I gave a 20 minute story about Peter and Robert. I was very impressed with the children - they were very attentive and interested in what I had to say. Oh and yes - everyone wanted to hold Peter's rifle. A special thank you for your help and the information I was able to download from the webpage. Hope to talk soon. Because I'm getting so much worthless email I have opened a new address - tjbreymaier@yahoo.com - but will continue to monitor old address for a while. Terry >From: "Marshall Lloyd" >To: ,, , > >Subject: William Navarre doffs his cap >Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 12:26:05 -0400 > >Here is a movie of William Navarre, grandson of Robert the Scout, putting >on his cap outside the church at his granddaugher's wedding (Toledo 1939). > >http://www.mlloyd.org/gen/navarre/images/anim/wmn01.gif ====== Me again with this James thing. According to documents for Susan Navarre, widow of Robert the Scout, James H. Navarre signed papers with his mark on her behalf 13 Mar 1854. I checked and rechecked and that is the date on the doc. So, I guess it can't be him in the grave. I checked EVERY James Navarre in Dennison. I found some I didn't have, but didn't find a match. Just like you. We both couldn't have missed it. In the gov. doc, he and brother Peter signed on the same day. Damn, I'm stumped! I had him dying in 1844 and no documentation for it. Have no idea where I got it from. So, I deleted it. If I can get back to Mt. Carmel, I'll check it myself. Sometimes people make mistakes in copying. Like me!!!! Sent a snail mail to you today. Just an envelop. It is almost midnight and enough for one day. Bettajoyce ======= Subject: Creation Date: 10/6/00 11:30PM From: "Matthew Przysiecki" "Matthew Przysiecki" Marshall, Again, it was nice to here from you. Very interesting as well. Of course, it occurred to me after your call that the Przysiecki branch is really a tree all its own and doesn't necessarily fit with your extensive project. I had to remind myself that your interest lies with my mother's family history. Therefore, Elsie Perch probably would be an interesting conversation between two geneologists, but probably not be helpful in filling in the blanks. Who knows? As promised, I will fulfill your requests and, or course, any other tidbits I encounter I'll pass your way. Sincerely, Matthew Przysiecki ===== Thanks for additional info on Wm. I noticed the info on Jane, but didn't check it with my files. But, I KNOW I don't have a death date for Robt. T. I remember I was startled by the 'posthumous' part. I've been so busy collecting that I haven't entered all the info that I have. I found Deborah Navarre 2 Apr 1956 and Linda Sue Navarre "Our Darling Baby" 1947-1949 at Elliston Cem. They are side by side so I presume the same family, but I don't know who they belong to. Also found Clara, Charles, Kenneth, Viola E. that I have, but Emma A. 1884-1937 buried with them that I don't have. Mabel (Soncrant, I think I remember) 1893-1946 and William Navarre 1865-1945 gravestones @ Elliston. A mother B. Marilyn Navarre Sept 25, 1933-Sept 5 1998 that I can't place. She is buried next to William Junior Navarre Sr. (That's what it says!) PFC US Army Jun 1 1931 - Jun 26 1991. Don't have either of those. If you don't have them either, maybe they could go on the Wish List. I'll ask my brother about Jr. Navarre. I seem to remember that name. It would be a name in his age group. I always thought Jr. was because he was a Jr. and not a Sr. This gets really confusing. Yes? Do you want any of those pictures? I'll change the card. If you would like any for you to have to give to people that you meet, I will send you a couple sheets. I had to stop for a couple days and do info people have sent me on OTHER parts of my family. The Navarres were getting to me!!!!! I have a 'cousin' in Arizona that I e-mail with and he had sent me some info that I hadn't entered. I had found some stuff and he responded and I neglected to enter it. All this gets out of hand for me. If I were a hermit with no family or friends, I'd get things done quicker!! But, then I'd be really sad, so it is a play off!!!! Gratefully-- Bettajoyce ===== If you don't have a headache, this might well give you one 1900 Federal Census Lucas Co. Jerusalem Twp. lists Moses Perry as head of the household, age 70, born 1830 wife Cornelia, age 60. They had been married for 39 years. Sons Nelson and Albert live with them. (these are their two youngest sons) Also Father-in-law Henry Shovar, age 84 and widowed; (NOTE: above verified and correct) Brother-in-law Joseph Navarre, age 84; and (b. 1816) nephew Philip Navarre, age 54, also widowed. (b. 1846) ------------------- In 1880 Joseph Navarre, age 64 was living in the home next to Moses. Joseph and Philip born OH. (?) ------------------ Moses Perry is the father of Henry Perry who married Delia Navarre. Henry and Delia cared for my dad when Emma died. Robert Perry sent me undocumented info on Moses Perry ancestors. I've never used it. I went thru everything I have, including what he sent me on Perrys and Shovar/Chauvin (Cornelia's family). Used your site, as well. Found nothing to connect them. SPECULATION: Look at Joseph Platt Navarre and son Joseph. Joseph P. Navarre's first wife Clotilde Hus dit Cournoyer had a brother Anthony who married Victoria Robidou who was the daughter of Peter Robidou and Agnes Chauvin. p. 266, Dennison She was his first wife. In the Toledo area the Chauvins were known as Shovar, which is Cornelia's maiden name, being the granddaughter of Henry Shovar and Mary Ann Cournoyer. So these two names are loosely connected. 1850 Federal Census, MI, Monroe Co.: Joseph P. Navarre, age 36, laborer (He was born 1814) Mary, age 27 Alexander, age 13 Harriet, age 9 Joseph, age 4 (He was born 1846, Philip?) Narcis, age 2 Looks promising, but I can't connect them. What do you think? Am I trying to MAKE something that's not there? I'll admit these Navarres are making me crazy. Maybe the nephew married someone from the Perry (Poirer) or Chauvin/Shovar families? 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Order#: 1203478-1 Thank you for ordering with Alibris! __________________________________________________________________ Alibris Customer Service Books you thought you'd never find. http://www.alibris.com Love the pics of Kendall. She is soooo cute! ======== Dear Marshall, Your memory appears to be excellent because the e-mail reached me. Thank you. Incidentally, I want you to have the following information. I will be at my Florida address from November 11th. through early May. The address: 10701 S. Ocean Drive # 714 Jensen Beach FL 34957 Tel: 561-229-6154 e-mail address will not change as I travel with the trusty laptop. My time frame is short so I have to get about the business of duplicating Maria's photo. I have a question for you: Marshall, what brought these people to North America? And I don't mean a rusty old ship, but why did they come? I have some half-baked reason but I suspect you have the correct answer. Also, my 13 year-old grandson is a semi-bright guy; I'm thinking about laying some responsibility on his scrawny shoulders to develop and continue an interest in these family matters. So, I'm going to turn him onto your website. Last year, he had the opportunity to conduct some research projects, and really got into it. As a result, I think this could be fun for him. I'm so excited that you called and about what you're doing. Thank you! Sally ====== bettajoyce [lucia's preg.] No, you didn't tell me. Congratulations to both of you! [maria's artifact]No, you didn't tell me. What a treasure to have!! I have stuff from my mom's side and I treasure those things. My grandfather Siglow carved a wooden set of dishes for his bride. I have the only surviving cup and saucer. So, I can imagine what the holy water font means to you! Will next look at Sally's e-mail. She and I used to play together as kids. They lived on Pickle or Brown Rd. They run parallel and it is difficult to remember. A LONG time ago! ===== Peter Navarre Posted by: Jennet 'Walters" Merriam Message: I was born in Toledo and am looking for info on a Sarah Navarre. She was my great great grandmother. She married an unknown (first name) last name Durell. He was born in Monroe Mi. They had a son by the mane of George M. Durell. Maybe we are connected. I have some articles that talk about Peter Navarre and have heard my dad talk about him...Would like to hear from you. I do not have the dates. If anyone would like a lookup, you may e-mail me. These are early Lucas Co. marriages. Navarre, Alexander to Victoria Morin Navarre, David to Evaline Shellis/Snellis Navarre, David to Agnes Schnee Navarre, Denis W. to Mary sondnett Navarre, Exwia(?) to Anna McCarty Navarre, George to Mary E. ? Navarre, Guillainne to Rosalie ? Navarre, Isadore to Mary Gossage Navarre, Isadore to Rosalie Prudham Navarre, James to Angeline Cassavand Navarre, James to Rosalia Arquette Navarre, Jerome to Anna Rumery Navarre, Lambert to Angeline Navarre Navarre, Moses to Julia Teal Navarre, Noah to Mary Coder Navarre, Patrick to Kate Shaube Navarre, Phillip to Celia Navarre Navarre, Richard to Eveline Momine Navarre, Richard to Caroline Momenee Navarre, Robert to Lucinda Anheny Navarre, Russell B. to Elizabeth Gerbert Navarre, Alice M. to Phillip Carrigan Navarre, Catharine to George DeKay Navarre, Celia to Edward Dunn Navarre, Elizabeth to Cad M. Williams Navarre, Ellen to Isaac Williams Navarre, Felicia t Julien Selzer Navarre, Felicis to Julius Segur [Suzor] Navarre, Hattie to William Phillips Navarre, Hattie A. to Frank O. schroeder Navarre, Josephine to John F. Gifford Navarre, Libbey to Henry Witty Navarre, Louisa to William Anderson Navarre, Marnetta, to Edward French Navarre, Mary to Robert Narone Navarre, Mina to Charles E. Burguoyne Navarre, Minnie to Arthur A. Standish Navarre, hilomene to Frank Reisch Navarre, Sarah to Frederick Miller Navarre, Sarah to John Moran Navarre, Sarah J. to Albert A. Eqing Navarre, Victoria to Moses Bourdo Navarre, Victoria to Henry Perry Marie Archangel Navarre Posted by: Lynne Wilson Message: Marie Archangel Navarre, b abt. 1820-1822. Died Oct. 17, 1891 is my ggg grandmother. She married a Peter Rumery. They lived in Ottawa Co. Ohio and had 7 children. I am searching for the names of her parents. Thanks for any help. Lynne e-mail> blsg@wwisp.com Navarre Posted by: Delbert Spencer Message: Robert Navarre 2 born 25 November 1734 in Quebec Territory, had a daughter Mary (Marie?) Archange Louisa born 23 July 1770, died 15 May 1851, married Franfcis dit MARENTETTE on Oct 20, 1788. May not be any connection but some names are passed down. We have an extensive Navarre file. If you get any other info, we are at dspencer@rmi.net Marie Archange Navarre Posted by: Lynn Wilson Message: Marie is possibly the child of Jacques (James) Navarre and Catherine Couture who were married at St. Antoine, Monroe in 1815. I show they had a son Peter born abt. 1816 but no other info. His family first settled on the Raisin River (Monroe) but later moved to the mouth of the Maumee River. He and his brothers, Peter, Robert and Alexis were very active during the War of 1812, Peter being the very famous scout. Its just a guess about Marie, but the marriage date is about right. Try the Monroe Museum files or similar sources in Toledo. ====== Mail Envelope Properties (39E8F16E.068 : 11 : 41064) Subject: Re: Navarre family Creation Date: 10/14/00 7:46PM From: "cigar" Created By: "cigar@glasscity.net".GWIA.SMS Mail Domain Yes! I'm sorry I haven't gotten you the information on Mary and Fredrick . It's something that has to be printed. I tried getting on your website a few times with difficulty. And now I'm using my laptop cause my desktop died and I need to replace it. I believe I still have your address and I will get the info to you even if I send you a little at a time. Thanks! Michelle ----- Original Message ----- From: Marshall Lloyd To: Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 12:35 PM Subject: Navarre family > are you still interested in Peter Navarre material? > > ==== >From: ncknutenvj@webtv.net (Rodger Knudsen) >Subject: Re: Hi > >That would be Bug and I didn't even know he had died. >He was one of the two that used to slide on the ice bare footed... >Also the youngest of Bill's crew. He used to pester your >sister-in-law (Veryl) by running into her >heels with a bike,outch! Oops that was a wagon,close Milo >but no cigar,she says she bought him an ice- >cream cone one day and he was her best friend >ever after,I added also the dirtiest perhaps and >with a leaky nose. A great guy later on tho. Also >Frank was his brother who I got the 33 Ford >Vick (Victoria) from in exchange for a 77 Willys. That's a >whole nother story. Goodbye. The above in response to my inquiry about Jr. Navarre, Sr. Now I know his dad's name was William, but I still don't know WHO! I'll save for further reference. I finished the book for the Oregon-Jerusalem Hist. Soc. Will send it out to Mary Ellen tomorrow (I hope). Have to take Mike to Metro Airport in the AM and will drive on down to Monroe for a couple hours. The airport is half way there and I might as well take advantage. I put cards for your web page in the back and gave you credit for all your stuff. Perhaps that will motivate anyone looking at it to view your page and offer info. I used your recent photo of the statue of Robt. on the Book Cadillac. It prints out much nicer than the other one that I had filed. Also a short quote where you tell how you got the picture and thanks to the hotel man. Thought that was a nice touch! Shows HOW DEDICATED YOU ARE!!!! In addition to genealogy pages and notes of mine, also Robt C. pic and card, Kate Gailliard pic, my own pics of Navarre Anderson Trading Post and Navarre monument in Navarre Park and Peter's cabin in Botanical Gardens. Your Jennie Navarre pic, Emma from your web page, Rose and William, Rachel's portrait with artist named, and A. Mary at reunion. Another of my dad in Marine uniform, Delia as an old lady, and the Perry Farm (1915). I'm told it is the only one known to still exist. Also an obit page of mine. A few pages of stuff you have on William, including the story of their wedding day, your Robet obit and pic. All with credit to your web page. Oh, and you Navarre Arms on the front of it all. I use those display books that come with the plastic sleeves already inside and a place to slip a paper into the front cover. They are handy, but the number of pages is limited to what size you buy. It is helpful in a way because I can't get carried away and give people so much that they are overwelhemned. Don't think I spelled that right! Too lazy to look it up. Thanks for info on Edward. I'll get at it this week. I'm expecting company, so have to get on with it. Bettajoyce ==== Mail Envelope Properties (39E8F16E.068 : 11 : 41064) Subject: Re: Navarre family Creation Date: 10/14/00 7:46PM From: "cigar" Created By: "cigar@glasscity.net".GWIA.SMS Mail Domain ----- Yes! I'm sorry I haven't gotten you the information on Mary and Fredrick . It's something that has to be printed. I tried getting on your website a few times with difficulty. And now I'm using my laptop cause my desktop died and I need to replace it. I believe I still have your address and I will get the info to you even if I send you a little at a time. Thanks! Michelle ----- Original Message ----- From: Marshall Lloyd To: Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 12:35 PM Subject: Navarre family > are you still interested in Peter Navarre material? > > Michelle, Thank you for e-mailing me. What a pleasant surprise! I didn't know how you fit in the tree, but your mention of Frederick and Mary and given the fact that I saw Susor as your "middle" name allows me to surmise that, unless I miss my guess, you are a descendant of Mary Lucy Navarre and Fred Susor. I don't know what you know already, but Mary Lucy was one of the 17 children of Robert T. Navarre and Catherine (a.k.a. Guyor) Gaillard. If you manage to get to my site [your trouble may stem from the fact that it has moved http://www.mlloyd.org or if you are using AOL as your browser, try Netscape instead. I have a lot of Javascript on the site] I have several photos of Mary's brothers and sisters. Also on the site is a detail of the family tree. I am a descendant of Mary's sister Archangele Marie Navarre who married Robert R. Navarre [son of Robert H. (the scout) Navarre]. Depending on your lineage from Frederick and Mary we are second or third cousins or something. Thanks again, Cousin Marshall Marshall Davies Lloyd PO Box 158 444 Water Lane Tappahannock, VA 22560 mlloyd@sms-va.com http://www.mlloyd.org 804 443-9444 ====== Subject: NAVARRE/SUSOR Creation Date: 10/17/00 9:15PM From: "cigar" Marshall As you know my name is Michelle (Susor) Grindle I am 31 years old. I am the daughter of Paul J. Susor, the son of Clarence I. Susor the son of William Susor who is the first son of Fred and Mary (Navarre) Susor. I have been looking for information on the Susor side of my family tree and Fredrick and Mary Susor are the furthest back I have been able to go without doing any physical research. Through your website I have been able to fill in the Navarre side and it was very helpful. Within your tree I have found alot of females with the last name of Susor but I have not been able to connect any of them to the Fredrick Susor. Any information you might have I would appreciate it. Thanks, Michelle 735 Gould St. Northwood, Ohio 43619 cigar@glasscity.net 419 697-1914 ========= Mail Envelope Properties (39EDE97F.953 : 19 : 43347) Subject: Navarre-what else is there? Creation Date: 10/18/00 2:22PM From: "bettajoyce chio" I went to Monroe to do census. All the machines were broke, so decided to just look around. Found more mysteries, at least for me! Lucas Co. Cemetery Book (1988) p. 28, but it is really on p. 27 E. Swanton Cem.: J.D. Navarre, Sr. 1896- Maude L. Navarre 1899-1957 Ottawa Co. Cem. Book p. 180 Margaret H. Navarre 1880-1965@ Williston Cem. Allen Twp. on Rt. # 570, Sec. B ----- p. 191 Arthur Navarre Sept 30 1880 - June 8 1951, WWI Sgt. Inf. Clay Twp. Cem, on Rt. # 163, near Opper Lentz Rd. ------ p. 196 Ray C. Navarre 1909- Olna C. Navarre 1916-1953 Clay Twp. Cem, on Rt. # 163, near Opper Lentz Rd. ------- The other people are prob. dead by now. I have NO idea who they are. But, I'm saving the info and thought you might want to do the same. Some Chio are buried at Clay Twp and I've been there. Williston, also. I have no idea where E. Swanton Cem. is. Near Swanton, Oh, I guess. Found Minnie Faneuff (Hermine) at Lake Cem. d. 26 Mar 1889 @ age 51 yrs. 11 mos. and 26 days. Also that pesky Robert J. Navarre whose grave I found, but don't know who he belongs to. died 24 Sept 1895 @ age 11 months, 10 days. Poor baby. These are Wood Co. Probate Death Records. Also Dwight M. Navarre in OTCO. Cem. Book. I found him listed in my files as Modeste Dwight, so changed it around so I could find him again. Modeste came from St. Louis Church Records. 1905-1971, Union Cem., Oak Harbor. Wife Irene E. b. 1908. So, you found a Suzor! Another nightmare of intermarriages! If you can help with any of the above, please do! My wish list gets longer!! Bettajoyce Got Minnie from the Wood Co. Probate Death Records. As many times as I've been to Lake Cem. I've never seen her gravestone. Maybe there isn't one. All that was on the record in the book is what I sent you. It was one of those compliations. I have a pic of Robt. Navarre's gravestone. So, I think I would have her pic also if there is one. I've been all over that place. I didn't have an exact date of birth, so I calculated it from the death record and put it in my file. ======= ---------- From: "Mary Ellen Schreiter" To: "Bettajoyce Chio" Subject: Weidner Date: Sun, Oct 15, 2000, 6:28 PM Following Obit was in Saturday's paper [Sat., Oct 14, 2000]. Noticed Mother as being Viola Navarre. Checked Geni - found her name and husbands. She was born 1905, her father was Jerome Navarre, born 1850 - married to Anna Rumery. Here goes: Robert A. Weidner, 71 of Elmore passed away Friday, October 13, 2000 at St. Vincent's Medical Center in Toledo, OH, the result of a lengthy illness with the last 4 years on dialysis. He was born November 13, 1928, to Viola (Navarre) and Earben Weidner. Mr. Weidner was a Navy veteran and was employed as a tool and die maker at Formetal, Peter's Stamping and Midwest Stamping. He was an active member of St. Johns Church of Christ in Elmore. Bob loved hunting, fishing, gardening and his family and friends, He was married May 1, 1954 to Nancy (Beck) who survives him and with whom he shared his life for nearly 47 years. He is also survived by his son, Jamie Alan Weidner (Jamie Wrinkle) of Perrysburg; his daughter, Julie Ann Kibler (Gordon) of Pickerington; and his beloved grandchildren, Justin and Jordan Kibler. He is also survived by brothers, Arthur (Iva) Weidner of Elmore and Warren Weidner of Curtice; sisters, Betty (Carlton) Harder of Rocky Ridge and Norma (Merle) Harder of Elmore and a half sister, Thelma (Nick) Inman of Bay City, MI. He was preceded in death by his parents; brothers, Orson, Denver and John; half brother, Glen and half sister, Gladys Walerius. Friends may call on Sunday from 11 a.m. - 9 p.m. and Monday from 2 - 9 p.m. with the family present from 11 a.m. - 4 p.m and 7-9 p.m on Sunday and 2-4 and 7-9 p.m. Monday at the Crosser Funeral Home in Elmore. Funeral services will be conducted at 11 a.m. Tuesday, October 17, at St. Johns United Church of Christ in Elmore. Burial will follow at Union Cemetery in Elmore. The family requests that any tributes be made to St. Johns United Church of Christ or a charity of their choice. The family would like to express their appreciation to the personnel at Maumee Bay Dialysis, St. Vincent's Mercy Medical Center Dialysis Unit and Heart Staff for the loving care provided to Bob for many years. Do not understand name after his son. Whether he goes by Jamie Wrinkle or that is his friends name, male or female. Am sending this to no one but you and if Marshall might want, will leave up to you to send. Am still working on Navarre material you sent me but most all I have to do is add the numbers but was confused on one last evening but don't remember who, as she had two numbers but think it was a Navarre that married a Navarre. There family is as bad in intermarriage as the Bodi's and Kelloggs. All for tonight. clmesch Michelle, Thanks again for calling last night. I'm sorry I had to go, but my mother-in-law had just come in from Pittsburgh when you called. With a little bit of digging I found that an Anne Knaggs married a William Sussior Denissen, Christian, Genealogy of the French Families of the Detroit River Region 1701-1936. 2 Vols., (Detroit: Detroit Society for Genealogical Research, 1987.), 612, "Anne m William Sussior." Now here is the interesting part. Anne's father was Isidore Knaggs. Since your Anne Knaggs (m. William Susor) named their child Clarence Isidore Susor, I think that William Sussior and William Susor are one and the same. This same branch of the Susor family seems to have removed from the River Raisin to Ironville, OH. I'm including my notes so far: Descendants of George Knaggs Generation No. 1 1. GEORGE1 KNAGGS He married RACHEL SCHLEY. She was born Abt. 1738, and died 1816. Notes for GEORGE KNAGGS: At advanced age joined a whaling wxpedition and has not been heard of since Children of GEORGE KNAGGS and RACHEL SCHLEY are: 2. i. GEORGE2 KNAGGS, d. Abt. 1809. 3. ii. JAMES KNAGGS, b. 1780; d. November 23, 1860. Generation No. 2 2. GEORGE2 KNAGGS (GEORGE1) died Abt. 1809. He married ELIZABETH CHÊNE 1795 in Detroit, daughter of CHARLES CHÊNE and MARY DESCOMPS. She was born August 16, 1766 in Detroit, and died Abt. June 1813. More About ELIZABETH CHÊNE: Burial: June 02, 1813, Church Farm North East Coast of Detroit Children of GEORGE KNAGGS and ELIZABETH CHÊNE are: 4. i. ALEXIS3 KNAGGS, b. August 05, 1802, St. Antoine, River Raisin; d. 1855, Erie Twp. ii. ANN KNAGGS, b. September 23, 1800, Detroit; d. Abt. April 1824, Detroit; m. LOUIS CAMPAU, August 11, 1818, Detroit; b. August 16, 1791. More About ANN KNAGGS: Baptism: January 08, 1801, St. Anne, Detroit Burial: April 13, 1824, Detroit 3. JAMES2 KNAGGS (GEORGE1) was born 1780, and died November 23, 1860. He married PELAGIA ROBERT, daughter of ANTHONY ROBERT and TERESA DROUILLARD. She was born November 09, 1787. Child of JAMES KNAGGS and PELAGIA ROBERT is: i. JEMINA3 KNAGGS, b. August 26, 1811, Detroit; d. February 27, 1886, Raisinville Monroe, MI; m. JOSEPH NAVARRE, July 16, 1848, St. Antoine, River Raisin; b. August 31, 1803, St. Antoine, River Raisin; d. 1862. More About JOSEPH NAVARRE: Burial: July 05, 1862, Monroe, MI Generation No. 3 4. ALEXIS3 KNAGGS (GEORGE2, GEORGE1) was born August 05, 1802 in St. Antoine, River Raisin, and died 1855 in Erie Twp. He married ARCHANGE MORIN June 14, 1825 in Detroit, daughter of ISIDORE MORIN and ARCHANGE MELOCHE. She was born March 16, 1802 in Detroit. More About ALEXIS KNAGGS: Baptism: August 06, 1802, St. Antoine River Raisin Children of ALEXIS KNAGGS and ARCHANGE MORIN are: i. ARCHANGE4 KNAGGS, b. September 06, 1825; m. HENRY AUGUSTIN BERTHELET, January 07, 1846, Ste Anne, Detroit; b. May 05, 1824, Detroit. ii. ELIZABETH KNAGGS, b. September 06, 1825, Detroit; d. February 27, 1901, 401 Vinewood Ave, Detroit; m. CHARLES J. TREMBLAY, May 13, 1850, SS Peter and Paul Detroit; b. October 22, 1826, Detroit; d. January 23, 1910, Charlevoix Apartments Detroit. More About ELIZABETH KNAGGS: Burial: March 02, 1901, from Ste Anne Detroit More About CHARLES J. TREMBLAY: Burial: January 27, 1910, St. Aloysius 5. iii. ISIDORE KNAGGS, b. February 15, 1828; d. 1884. Generation No. 4 5. ISIDORE4 KNAGGS (ALEXIS3, GEORGE2, GEORGE1) was born February 15, 1828, and died 1884. He married ANGELE COUSINEAU. Child of ISIDORE KNAGGS and ANGELE COUSINEAU is: 6. i. ANNE5 KNAGGS. Generation No. 5 6. ANNE5 KNAGGS (ISIDORE4, ALEXIS3, GEORGE2, GEORGE1) She married WILLIAM SUSOR, son of FRED SUZOR and MARY NAVARRE. Notes for WILLIAM SUSOR: There is also a William J. Suzor d. July 15, 1932 Lucas Co.; DC Vol 6967, #3492 Child of ANNE KNAGGS and WILLIAM SUSOR is: 7. i. CLARENCE ISADORE6 SUSOR, b. January 07, 1906, Toledo, OH; d. March 07, 1996, Toledo, OH. Generation No. 6 7. CLARENCE ISADORE6 SUSOR (ANNE5 KNAGGS, ISIDORE4, ALEXIS3, GEORGE2, GEORGE1) was born January 07, 1906 in Toledo, OH, and died March 07, 1996 in Toledo, OH. He married RUTH CATHERINE SMITH. She was born April 09, 1906 in Toledo, OH, and died March 10, 1996 in Toledo, OH. More About CLARENCE ISADORE SUSOR: Burial: Calvary Cem. Residence: Toledo, OH Social Security Number: 277-10-0490 More About RUTH CATHERINE SMITH: Burial: Calvary Cem. Social Security Number: 284-50-5299 Child of CLARENCE SUSOR and RUTH SMITH is: 8. i. PAUL JOSEPH7 SUSOR, b. April 20, 1942, Toledo, OH; d. October 11, 1999, Perrysburg, OH. Generation No. 7 8. PAUL JOSEPH7 SUSOR (CLARENCE ISADORE6, ANNE5 KNAGGS, ISIDORE4, ALEXIS3, GEORGE2, GEORGE1) was born April 20, 1942 in Toledo, OH, and died October 11, 1999 in Perrysburg, OH. He married JUDY ANN JAEGER June 15, 1963 in Sacred Heart, Toledo, OH, daughter of JULIUS JAEGER and MAE TULLER. She was born July 29, 1939 in Toledo, OH. More About PAUL JOSEPH SUSOR: Cause of Death: Cancer Obituary: October 13, 1999, Toledo Blade, at 57 Social Security Number: 293-36-7658 Children of PAUL SUSOR and JUDY JAEGER are: i. BRYAN RICHARD8 SUSOR, b. June 02, 1965. ii. THOMAS CLARENCE SUSOR, b. December 18, 1966; d. December 18, 1966. iii. TIMOTHY MICHAEL SUSOR, b. December 18, 1966, Oregon, OH; d. December 18, 1966, Oregon, OH. iv. MICHELLE LYNN SUSOR, b. June 14, 1969; m. JERRY GRINDLE. More About MICHELLE LYNN SUSOR: Email: cigar@glasscity.net v. DANIEL JOSEPH SUSOR, b. March 17, 1971. vi. PAMELA JEAN SUSOR, b. August 18, 1980. When I brought up the "Family Navarre, North-American descent and amerindienne of Robert Navarre" on Alta Vista and had them translate it for me, they had two words that I am not sure about. Robert 2 - 2cnd generation, 3.1 Francis shows born in Windsor Assumption. I know that Windsor is just across the river and they have a church called Assumption, but doubt if anyone was born in the church building! Do any of you know what is meant by that? The other is the word "says" used several places in connection with a name, such as Mary Ann VESSIERE says LAFERTE. I thought maybe "says" might mean "of", but my French English dictionary does not show the word says in any manner. Also I noticed that Gene@straub seems to have a good handle on the descendants from Antoine Francoise and Jeanne Pluyette to us, and almost all of his information agrees with what I have, except for an occasional date of birth. Does his info agree with yours? Also Doug, the last I heard you was planning a trip to Detroit to do some more research in the library. Was you able to come up with anything? Marshal, thanks for sharing the letter from cousin Bettajoyce, which makes a lot of sense to me. This being a farming area, there are indeed farmers and FARMERS! Also, why did the elite from Canada attend the wedding of Robert 1, if he was not one of them. Royalty seem to stick together through whatever situation them find themselves in, even if the honored person is the low man on the totem pole. In the wilderness, ANY royally connected person was probably given great honor, even if his ancestors were from a bastard parentage. Best wishes, and may God bless! Dot Spencer ===== Just a note: Gravestone @ St. Joseph Cem, Monroe for Jemina (Knaggs) reads: Jemima/ wife of/ Jos G Navarre/ born/ July 26 1811/ died/ Feb 27 1886 === I rec'd these messages from Sally. I am forwarding them to you, in part. Do you know WHO this Rose might be? I had asked for more info on the first message and the second part of this is what I rec'd this morning. Sally and I have been having a great time remembering------- I can't tell you how much joy you have brought to our lives by 'hooking' us up via e-mail!! We each have triggered memories in the other and then we share and remember together. This I don't remember. Will be waiting for your answer. Can't wait!!!! ---------- From: SMCousino@aol.com To: bettacj@globalbiz.net Subject: Re: snail mail Date: Fri, Oct 20, 2000, 9:34 PM Hi, Do you remember the relative who was purported to be the "madam"? I loved her. She was my idol when she'd breeze into family reunions at Dunberger Post, alighting from her taxi (hey, big spender) which took her back and forth from her apartment at the Hillcrest (I think). Oooooo, that was living. My mom, dad and grandfather would take me to her night club when I was in like 1st. grade and when the striptease act would come on, she'd take me to her office to play with drawing and crayolas. My grandmother (God love her) always suspected those Navarres had a lewd side, of which she totally disapproved. I think that only applied to my grandfather and Mary Carlin, however. Too many memories you've rekindled. Thank you. Sally --------------- Last night, I used to strong a word "lewd". What I was trying to say is that she sort of frowned on the gambling, divorce and more open life styles. My grandfather loved every minute spent with them. He owned a bar and was a pretty open guy, even though "the ladies" had a separate room when with dates or husbands. Are we getting that old to remember such days. The "madam" was part of Aunt Mary's family, a cousin of my mothers, Bob Lloyd would certainly remember her. Her name was "Rose" and the last name will never come to me. She dressed, lived and looked like serious money. She made my grandmother blush. I adored my grandmother. Papa 10/28/00: only name came to mind is Rose ran a bar/restraunt in East Toledo. Was living at the Hillcrest. Needs to talk to June. She was a cousin but her name was not a family name it was her husband's. Maybe Bill did plastering work for her. On way to Rossford? She liked papa's piano playing. ===== Marshall, Here's what I have: George Knaggs married Rachael (SLY or SCHLEY) in 1760 in Philadelphia. They had the following children: Whitmore (Josette LABADIE) his dob 1797 dod 5/5/1827. George (Elizabeth Chene LYONS) his dob 1795 dod unknown. Elizabeth (John ANDERSON) dob 1/4/1772 dod unknown. Anne dob 1/11/1777 dod unknown. Rebecca (Capt. Joseph MAY, Frazer ?,and William CLEAVER) her dob 2/28/1778 and dod 1853. James (Jemima GRIFFIN, Pelagia ROBERTS, and Alice COUTURE) his dob 1780 and dod 12/23/1860. Thomas (Catherine POUGET) his dob 11/1/1782 and dod 1831 and last but now least William (Margaret WILSON) dob 1784 with dod 1817. I also wanted to let you know that my mothers birth name is Judith "Judie" Ann JAEGER. I was able to get to the library in Point Place yesterday. I did find a Maud (Elena) JAEGER listed in the obituary listing for 1969 Oregon OH. Her dod was 1/1/1969 which is the same date I have. The librarian suggested I check the 1900 census from Michigan and Ohio. I checked Michigan and didn't find her. But I was on a time limit and may have missed her, I'm going to try again soon. Still nothing on Fredrick! Sincerely, Michelle Mail Envelope Properties (39F4EC67.56E : 18 : 46446) Subject: Maud Elena (NAVARRE) JAEGER Creation Date: 10/23/00 9:49PM From: "cigar" Hello Marshall! I think I've found her! I had some spare time today and I as able to get back to the library. I found in the Michigan 1900 Census a Maude Navarre dob 7/1892. The obituary listing I found with Maud Jaeger was 1/1/1969 and she was 75 years old which would make her date of birth around 1892-93. My mother has a certificate of baptism for my grandfather Julius Louis Jaeger with the sponsors being Frank and Emilie Navarre. On the 1900 Census Maude has a brother Franklin. This is the Michigan 1900 Census I found: Volume 55 E.D 78 Sheet 13 Line 52 Navarre, Louis J. 1-1866 he was 34 yrs old Wife: Mary A. 7-1865 she was 34 yrs old Daughters: May 1-1892 was 8 Maude 7-1892 was 7 Hershey (spelling??) 9-1896 was 3 and Phoebe 3-1898 was 2 he had one son: Franklin 5-1895 was 5. I also went out to St. Ignatius Cemetery (Oregon, Ohio) and that is where Maud and Julius Francis are buried. Your e-mail asked about an address for Maud from the obituary. All it has is Oregon, Ohio. Oh yeah! I also found out at St. Ignatius Cemetery there are cemetery plots owned by Peter and Toussaint NAVARRE that are not occupied. Peter has one and Toussaint has six or more. But neither of them are buried there. Let me know what you think. Michelle I got your snail mail today. I find the following corroborations Your William Susor d. 1932 corresponds with the death certificate: William J. Susor d. July 15, 1932 Co: Lucas Vol: 6967 Cert: 3492 Your Leo Susor d. 1917 corresponds with my: SUSOR, LEO d. 3/14/1917 Co: Lucas Vol: 2216 Cert: 19865 your Erving Benjamin b. Sep 1907 d 1972 is corresponds with ERVING SUSOR SSN 290-30-8018 b. 30 Sep 1907 d. Dec 1972 and his wife Sydonia: SYDONIA SUSOR SSN 299-09-0106 B. 26 Sep 1912 Died Aug 1977 Albert Susor SSN: 277-10-0472 Louis J. Navarre's DC is Lucas Co.; DC Vol 6071, #53934 ---- >>> "cigar" 10/24/00 10:06PM >>> Hello There! Your last e-mail had Louis J. Navarre's DC do you have his date of death? He's not listed on the Ohio History Death Certificate Index. I didn't see Louis J. Navarre listed on your family tree. Do you think he is related to the Michigan Navarre's? Thanks! mlloyd: You have to be REALLY lax when searching the DCI. I have searched with the first name blank and the last name NAV to yield as many hits as possible and found several typing errors. Among them: NAVARE, LOOUIS J. Co: Lucas Death: 0/20/ Vol: 6071 Cert. No: 53934 By cross checking against the Toledo Blade Index, I found a Louis Navarre died 8/20/1929 he died at the same address as a Mary Ann Navarre. It would be important to check that obituary to confirm. My internet connection is down still so I haven't made any updates to my family tree in a few days. ======== TONNANCOUR-LIFE IN GROSSE POINTE AND ALONG THE SHORES OF LAKE SAINT CLAIR.VOLUMES 1 AND 2. Phone: (413) 229-0122. Fax: (413) 229-0122. Email: bbookco@bcn.net $49.00.BERKSHIREBOOKCO Berkshire Book Company 510 South Main Street Sheffield, MA U.S.A. 01257 ============ 11/5/00 Subject = from the Web sender's name = Kay Hofmann-Ginn e-mail address = KayKa68988@aol.com Message = Hello I was wondering if you know Ira Gold? I sent him all my information on Cecila Navarre-Dunn (Her Dad was Alexis Navarre? Her son was named Thomas and her husband was name Edward. The are at Forrest Cemertery.There only son was Thomas who married Ada Pollitt-Dunn than they had Lucinda Mae Dunn who married Gottlieb Hofmann. Both grandparents are at Toledo Memorial. Talk to You Later.....Kay ====== I had written to a friend of mine who is of the 'old school', meaning when he went through the seminary they had to be able to read, write and speak Latin. I told him you thought Ludwig for the one. I asked him if there was a St. Ludwig. Asked if the other one could be Jerome. His answer follows. Ludovicus and Hieronymo HI Bj, YES YOU'RE RIGHT, THIS TIME!! I AM SURE OF JEROME AND THE LUDWIG SOUNDS THE BEST TO ME. I WOULD HAVE SAID LOUIS BUT MORE CORRECTLY LUDWIG. YES AND THEY ARE BOTH SAINTS-- BY THOSE NAMES. FRANCIS CP Francis is an old and dear friend, but cannot understand my interest in genealogy. I wasn't certain he would answer. But, he did and promptly! Thought you might want to put this in the back of your brain for future reference. -------- I had already tried printing the picture the other direction(,landscape) but I had to make it so small, I couldn't see it anyway. So, I printed it from the e-mail pic and part of the website picture. But, I can view all of it off line. So, it's ok. It is a beauty and a treasure! Wish I could help on the names. I mailed a snail-mail package to you this afternoon. You had said this is exam week, but it should get to you so you have it for after when you have more time. Got Addie Charlotte Parker Navarre's SS application copy in todays mail. I'll keep it for the next mailing. Her mother was Marianne Maure (Moore) and born 9 May 1885 in Bowling Green (Wood Co.) OH. Later, Bettajoyce =========== Subject: ancestors Creation Date: 11/10/00 9:50AM From: Barb & Gary Gagnon Created By: "bggagnon@chartermi.net".GWIA.SMS Mail Domain Barb & Gary Gagnon Dear Mr. Lloyd: I was more than a little surprised when I received your e-mail message asking me about Robert the Scout. His name, although it is part of my family history, was not familiar to me. I did find it, however, when I did a search of names in my genealogy file. Apparently Robert Navarre was married to the daughter of an uncle of mine. Robert's wife, Suzanne, was the daughter of Louis Moore, who was the brother of Lawrence Moore, my great-great-great grandfather. Since we have Louis and Lawrence's parents in common, I am sending you a history of that generation which you may find interesting. By the way, how DID you find me? And where do you live? (Please note the change in my e-mail address: bggagnon@chartermi.net) Sincerely, Barbara Bannister Gagnon Marquette, Mich. ENGLISH CONNECTION Susanne Pineau dit LaPerle/Laurence Moore The marriage of Susanne Pineau dit LaPerle and Laurence Moore represents this genealogy's first blending of the English and French that inhabited Canada. Susanne, whose ancestors were all French, was born 10 Aug. 1779 in Assumption, Sandwich, on the Canadian side of the Detroit River. Laurence, whose great-grandfather was from Dover, England, was born in Quebec but the date is uncertain. (His older brother, Louis, was born 10 Oct. 1758.) The wedding was his second marriage. His first wife was Mary Joseph Ursula Belanger, whom he married on 6 Jan 1786. Ursula was born 11 May 1749 in Quebec and was buried 11 Jan 1793 in Detroit. SUSANNE PINEAU dit LaPERLE; (PETER and MARY VIGER) b. 10 Aug 1779 in Assumption, Sandwich. LAURENCE MOORE; (FRANCIS and LOUISA DEMEULES) b. in St. Charles diocese, Quebec; married Susanne Pineau 3 Mar 1794 in Detroit. Children of this marriage were: 1. Francis Moore; b. 2 o'clock in the morning of 11 Jun 1795 in Detroit. 2. Louis Moore; b. 22 Mar 1798 in Detroit; baptized at Detroit 26 Jun 1798; buried there 2 Jul 1804. 3. John Baptist Moore, b. 30 Nov 1799 in Detroit; baptized at Detroit 25 Jun 1800; married at St. Francois, Clinton River 30 Jan 1821 to Felicity Renaud,(b. at Detroit 30 July 1803, daughter of Louis Renaud and Magdelene Patenotre; d. bf 1825); married 2nd Eleanora Thibault (b. Detroit 17 Apr 1802, daughter of Ignatius Thibault and Magdelene LaForest). 4. Charles Moore; b. 2 Apr 1802 in Clinton River, Detroit; baptized at Detroit 20 Jun 1802; buried 19 Dec 1804. 5. TOUSSAINT MOORE; b. 1 Nov 1807 in Clinton River. 6. Paul Moore; married Felicity Robitaille (daughter of Joseph Robitaille and Archange Dubay). 7. Oliver Moore; b. 1816; married 1st, Angelica Freton; married 2nd at Assumption Church, Greinerville, 26 Jun 1854 to Catherine Eagan (Thomas Eagan, Margaret Foyenan; buried at Assumption Church, Greinerville, 7 Oct 1858). 8. Simon Moore; married Geneveva Giard (daughter of Joseph Giard and Mary Meny). 9. Domenic; b. 1818; married at Detroit 21 Mar Eulalie Dubay (b. 25 Jul 1826, baptized St. Francois, Clinton River 14 Aug 1828; daughter of Simon Dubay and Regina Giard). Lived at Clinton River. Susanne and Laurence were married on 3 Mar 1794. She was 14 years old. Although they were married in Quebec, Susanne was a native of the Detroit River region. Her mother, Mary Viger, was also born in Sandwich and was buried there. An account written in 1872 describes what the village was like years earlier: "...On the Canada side of the channel [Detroit River] comparatively little change has taken place in the appearance and condition of many old French homesteads. The village of Sandwich wears much of the old-time character, and a dreamy quiet pervades the place, worthy of Sleepy Hollow, and singularly in contrast with the bustling, wide- awake activity which distinguishes most American villages. "Most French dwellings had yards, fenced by pickets of red cedar. These were often ten or twelve feet in height, and were intended and often served as a stockade for protection during the troubles of the war times, as well as against wolves. "Another feature of the old settlements has disappeared, — the wind-mills, which once marked every few miles of river shore, and were an animating part of its picturesque scenery. ...The wind-mills served sufficiently well all the needs of the French era; but with the advent of larger wants more capable structures were demanded. The neglected wind- mills fell to decay, and at the present time [1872] a few only survive in ruins. "...The crowning glory of the French orchard was the pear tree. Nearly every homestead possessed one, some two or three, few exceeded a half-dozen. Such was its wonderful size and productiveness that one specimen usually amply satisfied the wants of a family." Across the Detroit River were the English, who had entered the post at Detroit in 1760, after the French and Indian War, and occupied all other French posts in the Great Lakes region. During the American Revolution, the Detroit area was a border region that became a shelter and refuge for renegades and terrorists. When the Revolution ended in 1783, the British were reluctant to leave. The American flag, however, was raised at Detroit in 1796. The British continued to annoy the Americans until the War of 1812. After the Treaty of Ghent ended the war in 1814, the British vacated Detroit but moved to Drummond Island, establishing a strong post that held out until 1828. Laurence Moore or Lawrence Moore, to use the English spelling, was just a teenager when the American Revolution erupted in 1776. Lawrence was forced into British service in Quebec during the Revolution, but he and two comrades escaped and, walking to a point opposite Port Huron, crossed the river and was among the first settlers in Harrison Township, where he bought land from the Indians. While it probably was not the man who was married to Susanne Pineau, the name of Lawrence Moore appears on a "Return of Persons entitled to Patent Grants for the several allotments of land attached to their names," dated at Saint Francis Military Settlement, Drummondville, 25 Dec 1819. He was described as being a private in the 49th Foote and was entitled to a grant of 100 acres in the east end of the south side of lot 21 of the 1st concession of the township of Grantham, Drummond County. The same Lawrence Moore received 100 acres in Grantham in 1821, and unspecified acreage in Grantham in 1822 and 1836. Had the soldier been our Lawrence, he would have likely been close to 60 years old. Also, according to U.S. Census records, Lawrence and Susanne still lived in Macomb County in 1820. Lawrence had one child with Ursula Belanger. Mary Louisa Moore, born at Detroit 8 Feb 1787, was married there on 3 May 1805 to Joseph Greffard. Greffard was born at Detroit on 13 Apr 1780, a son of Laurence Greffard and Mary Ann Casse dit St. Aubin. Mary Louisa Moore was buried at Detroit 28 May 1806. Mary Louisa Moore was buried at Detroit 28 May 1806. FRANCIS MOORE/ LOUISA DEMEULES Father of Lawrence Moore Francis Moore, son of Pierre Moore and Genevieve Louise Gendreau, was married 26 Nov 1753 at St. Jean, Ile d'Orleans, to Marie Louise Demeules, daughter of Joseph Demeules and Mary Catherine Dubeau. Children of the marriage were: Pierre, b. 12 Oct 1754 at St. Laurent, I.O., married 3 Oct 1780 to Marie Francoise Galarneau in Quebec; Francois, b. 3 Dec 1756 at St. Charles; Louis Marie, b. 10 Oct. 1758, married 21 Aug 1782 to Marie Moreau at Montreal; and Lawrence. PETER MOORE/ GENEVEVA LOUISA GENDRON Grandfather of Lawrence Moore Peter Moore, the son of Thomas Moore and Jeanne Lemelin, was born 10 Sept 1704 at St. Laurent, Ile d'Orleans and was married there 26 Nov 1724 to Geneveva Louisa Gendron. She was born 15 Jan 1702 also at St. Laurence. Her parents were James Gendron and Mary Ann Dalray. Peter Moore was buried at St. Laurent 22 Nov 1759. Peter and Geneveva had these children: Pierre, b 2 Sep 1725, buried 4 Jun 1731; Thomas, b 1726, married 7 Feb Isabelle Denis, buried 9 Jan 1772; Francois, b. 1729, married at St. Jean Ile d'Orleans, 26 Nov 1753 to Louisa Demeules, daughter of Joseph Demeules and Mary Catherine Dubeau; Helene, b. 6 Nov 1731, buried 13 July 1735; Pierre, b. 15 Apr 1733; Jean Francois, b. 30 May 1735, buried 21 Apr 1756; Julien, b. 17 Feb 1739, buried 7 Mar 1757; Laurence, b. 24 Mar 1740. THOMAS MOORE/JEANNE LEMELIN Great-grandfather of Lawrence Moore According to a copy of the marriage certificate of Thomas Moore and Jeanne Lemelin, which is held in the Notre-Dame of Quebec, Quebec City, the couple were married 6 Apr 1690. The certificate lists Thomas's parents as Edouard More and Cecille Richard, from the parish of St. Mary in Dover, County Kent, England. (Cecilia Moore died 21 Jul 1690 in Dover.) Jeanne Lemelin's parents were listed as Jean Lemelin (listed by Father Christian Denissen as Jean Lemelin dit Tourangeau) and Marguerite Brassard of the parish at Evesche. Thomas and Jeanne were married by Jay Francois Dupre, priest of Quebec. Witnesses were LeMoyne Deberai, Pachot, Duquet, Delino, Abraham Mossion, Chunjant and P. Outlan. Thomas Moore was a sea captain who was active in the Hudson Bay area. A Thomas Moore was employed by the Hudson Bay Company from 1671 to 1678. Originally a sailor, he was promoted to trader and while accompanying Charles Bayly on his 1674 exploratory voyage from Rupert River to Cape Henrietta Maria, he probably prepared a rough draft of the west coast of James Bay — the only map which locates Albany Fort on Bayly Island. Moore returned to England and sought employment again in 1680 but he was not re-hired. This may be the same man as the Thomas Moore who, six years later in 1686, was hired by the Compagnie du Nord. Thomas, born c. 1654, abjured his Anglican faith at Quebec 19 March 1690. The same year he married Jeanne Lemelin; the marriage contract is dated 7 Jan 1690 but the ceremony was not performed until 6 April. The couple took up residence in the village of Saint Laurent on the Ile d'Orleans. They had six children, the last born in 1709. According to the Father Christian Denissen Papers, which are part of the Burton Historical Collection at the Detroit Public Library, the children were: Antoine, b. 17 Nov 1692; Louise, b. 1696; Pierre, b. 10 Sept 1704, m. 26 Nov 1724 to Geneveva Louisa (Gendreau) Gendron; Louis, b. 10 Jun 1706; Marie Louise, b. 19 Nov 1708 m. 24 May 1734, Louis Mallet; Francois, b. 31 Dec 1709. Thomas' father, Edward, was a master gunner at Dover Fort, England. Thomas probably conducted ships to Hudson Bay either as a master or as a pilot for Pierre LeMoyne d'Iberville in 1688-89. In 1706 he was commander of the Maria, and pilot of a privateer in 1707. Later the same year (1707) he was engaged by Guillaume Gaillard "to go privateering aboard La-Nostre-Dame-de-Victoire against the enemies of the state, in the vicinity of Cape Breton, Newfoundland, the Grand Banks, and elsewhere." In 1713 he was master pilot on a ship sailing to Labrador. He was captain of a ship named the Vaisseaux. Thomas Moore must have died some time between 1713 and 1724; the marriage certificate of his son, Pierre, dated 1724, states that the father was dead. Jeanne Lemelin was buried at St. Laurent, Ile d'Orleans on 27 Mar 1732. Information for this volume of the Bannister history came from: "Father Christian Denissen Papers," Burton Historical Collection, Detroit Public Library; "The Early Colonization of Detroit," Pioneer Collections -- Report of the Pioneer Society on the State of Michigan, Bela Hubbard, W.S. George & Co., Lansing, 1877; "History of Macomb County, Michigan," M.A. Leeson & Co., Chicago, 1882; Lower Canada land papers, Public Archives of Canada, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada; "Dictionnaire Genealogique des Families Canadiennes," Mgr. Cyprien Tanguay, Montreal, Canada, Eusebe Senecal & Fils, Imprimeurs-Editeurs, 1889; Original parish registers of Saint Mary, Dover, Kent, England; "Dictionary of Canadian biography," W. Stewart Wallace, Macmillan Co., New York, NY 1945; "Dictionnaire National des Canadiens Francais (1608-1760)," Monseigneur Irenee Lussier, Montreal Canada, Institut Genealogique Drouin. ======== I was looking through some records at ancestry.com that correctly listed Robert R. Navarre [son of Robert Hutro Navarre (the scout of 1812) and Susan Moore]. Most people get him wrong, especially if they are using Denisson, and I figured if you had his info correctly you must be a family member. Did I tell you I not only have a page on the Navarre's but have several affidavits on line from Susan Moore as she tried to obtain a pension based on Robert's service in the war. I also have the family tree on line, including much genealogical material on the Moore's, mostly from Dennison. Marshall Davies Lloyd PO Box 158 444 Water Lane Tappahannock, VA 22560 http://www.mlloyd.org ====== Subject: MAILTO.CGI FORM DATA Creation Date: 11/29/00 3:03PM From: Message = Lloyd, Sent reply last week to the fact that my mom said Ed Scott was tall & bald. He also played for a professional baseball team.Have been changing things on my computer so you may have not recieved last E-mail. later Roger ------ Subject: Re: Anthony Navarre Creation Date: 11/30/00 12:49AM From: "Robert E. and Lynne Wilson" "Robert E. and Lynne Wilson" Just recalled that I have a photograph of Peter Navarre's son, Daniel, that was sent to me by someone in Oregon, Ohio, who found it in her mothers scrapbook. Let me know if you would like to have it. Lynne Hi, am attaching my file on descendants of Anthony Navarre. Robert Perry was the one that found his wife, Manga, and the siblings of my great, great, grandmother, Archangel Navarre. We have no information on Archangel's siblings. Marshall, by any chance do you know where Anthony is buried? If this attachment does not work for you, please let me know and I will try again. Lynne Dietrich Wilson ===== Subject: Re: Anthony Navarre Creation Date: 11/30/00 5:33PM From: "Robert E. and Lynne Wilson" Here is the photo of Daniel Navarre. Not a portrait but a precious picture. I do not know who the little boy is. Daniel was working for these people and living with them when he came back to Oregon, Oh. from Kentucky after the war. Lynne Subject: Re: Jerome Navarre Creation Date: 11/30/00 5:23PM From: "Robert E. and Lynne Wilson" Re: Jerome Navarre Hi Cousin,DOB for Jerome Navarre is November 28, 1856. I contacted Bob Perry last night and he will send you his file also. He is directly related to Jerome Navarre. The brick wall that he and I have is Peter Rumery's (husband of Archangel Navarre) parents- I know he isn't a Navarre, but should you run across it, let us know. Thanks for figuring out the cousin relationship. Also, thanks for the information on the 2 date of births that are different in our files. I got a lot of my information from the St. Joseph Catholique Church records of Oak Harbor, Ohio. Please keep in touch. Lynne Wilson----- mlloyd says familysearch.com has: Jerome Navarre: Event(s): Birth: 28 Nov 1856 Monroe, Monroe, Michigan Father: Raphael NAVARRE Mother: Matilda VALIQUET this would make him brother of George Joseph Navarre b. February 12, 1859 d. October 12, 1940 m. June 30, 1886 Alice Slavin b. August 24, 1861 d. January 01, 1928 Raphael's lineage should be ( Anthony Navarre b. February 21, 1800; Isidore August 19, 1768; Robert Jr. November 25, 1739; Robert I 1709) ======= I was able to save it and read in Clarisworks. It was too large for the Simpletext that is the software on the e-mail. I'll read it later. Thanks. The Dasos--When I went to enter it, I got confused! Daso must have been the first husband. St. Louis Church Records has it the other way around. And that's the way I had entered it. I didn't take time to check your Web file and just entered it the way it was in the obit. Never heard of Emma Jacobs. Odd that she is listed in Edward's and not in Julia's obituaries.?? Who would Irving Williams be? M. Gallagher's obit. I found Ellen's death cert on line. Lucas Co. Vol 4861. cert 58584. Julia wasn't listed, so I just looked for Jacobs in that year range and found her as Jllia. Vol 7380, cert 70213. Want me to send for them? No sense both of us getting them. Sally was correct. They all sure did get married a lot! Bettajoyce ====== Subject: Re: Harold Creation Date: 11/30/00 4:33PM From: "Wayne" Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 9:21 AM Subject: Harold I was probably more excited than you. I am fairly new at this computer "game " and it was suprising to hear from some one on genealogy. Anyhow the Harold Blackmore in your note is probably not my half-brother. My "Harold" was born on June 14 in Toledo and I will have to check the year. His wife's name was Evelyn and they had two children. Harold J. Blackmore Jr. and a daughter Susan. You had asked about my father. He was born on July 4,1894, died Nov.21,1953. His father was Christopher Kohn born Jan. 15,1860. His mother was Barbara Geisert born Aug.14,1863 My mother was Julia Jacobs born Feb. 19,1886 or 1865 and died Feb. 5,1971. Her father waas Edward Jacobs born Sept.2,1857 or 1858 and died July 23, 1939. Her mother was Julia Navarre born Mar.29, 1865. I believe my mother's grandfather was Robert Navarre who's wife'name was Maria. I will have to do a little more research now that you have me interested again. Wayne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marshall Lloyd" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 9:21 AM Subject: Harold Wayne, It was great to talk to you last night. I've been looking some things up and have a question for you. Is this Harold Blackmore your half-bro? Was he married? What is his wife's/children's names? HAROLD BLACKMORE SS 296-16-1191 Residence: 94025 Menlo Park, San Mateo, CA Born 28 Jul 1913 Died Feb 1992 regards, Marshall Davies Lloyd PO Box 158 444 Water Lane Tappahannock, VA 22560 (804) 443-9444 ====== Marshall, I stand corrected on Evelyn's date of death as 10/1997 instead of 1999. Neil's date of death is June 23, 1970. Thank You, Bob Marshall Lloyd wrote: > FYI social security nos for Evelyn and Neil: > > SSDI lists Oct 1997 not 1999 as Evelyn's death year. > > EVELYN VANDEMARK > > 276-05-7322 > Residence: 44254 Lodi, Medina, OH > > Born: 16 Feb 1908 > Died: Oct 1997 > > NEIL VANDEMARK > > 285-10-8824 > Residence: 44254 Lodi, Medina, OH > > Born: 13 Dec 1904 > Died: Jun 1970 Marshall, I will go with January 12 instead of the 1st. Thanks, Bob Marshall Lloyd wrote: > you have January 1, 1893 as Milton's birth but SSDI > says January 12, 1893 > > any Ideas. > > Sorry to keep bothering you, > Marshall Marshall, According to my grandfather's handwritten records, Loren's last name is spelled Tompkins. I must have made a typo mistake. According the obituary and funeral notice for Franklin Moses Perry, he died on April 30 1974 and was buried on May 2, 1974 so SSDI records were wrong. Thank you very much for the corrections. Bob Marshall Lloyd wrote: > Thanks for the files. It will take a while to digest. As I am going over some of your records, I will have questions. > > you have: > ii. OPAL G. PERRY, b. November 2, 1905; d. December 19, 1974; m. LOREN DEWAYNE THOMPKINS, October 11, 1920. > > SSDI however lists both as Tompkins not Thompkins. Can you check. SSDI gives ss# 278-01-6859 to Opal and 300-20-7851 for Loren and dates for him as b. April 10, 1897 d. October 15, 1972. > > Also you have the death date for Franklin Moses Perry as April 30, 1974 but the SSDI lists April 15, 1974. Could your date be burial? Perhaps the SSDI is wrong. > > Thanks for being so kind as to send me your file. > regards, > Marshall Davies Lloyd > > P.S. you may want to review your note on Hutreau. It was his cousin Col. Francis Navarre who was the first white settler of Monroe. Robert came soon after but Hutreau was a late comer as he was under obligation to his mother in Detroit. --------------- Cornelia Shovar (Chauvin, Fr. spelling) Perry died 15 Nov 1907, Lucas Co. I looked through both Perry files and found no Cornelia except for above and her daughter Pearl Cornelia Perry Frimark. She died in 1970. Even looked in Bodi (Baudin) and Cluckey (Clothier) files and no Cornelia. Intriguing, but I'll let it go til later. How about I order Julia Jacobs and Adeline through Ode below the line? Not Ann Rumery Navarre?, since you think you ordered hers. She did die in St. Vincent Hospital,1930. It is probably her. Gnailalu and Flaoin sound intrigueing, don't they? I found Ken's grandmother as Agnes CHIL instead of Chio, so I learned to check all possibles early on. I can see how that mistake could be made, but it does make it difficult for researchers! One wouldn't think statistcs would be the area in which to be creative............but numbers lie, so why not names???????? ======= "rctta" Re: Sophia and Robert You are fantastic! I don't know how you find all this wonderful information, but I'm so thankful for your investigations and hard work. Now if I can trace Sophia back to the Revolutionary War, Tara and I can join the DAR. There are so many Van Houtens listed in the rolls of the New Jersey soldiers of the Revolution. My mother, Elaine Constance (Navarre) Taylor was born November 14, 1916. She is very much alive and staying with us here in Virginia ( at least through the holidays). I wish she would move in permanently. I love having her here. My mother and Dad, (Daniel Thomas Taylor) married in Detroit, August 17, 1947 at St. Matthews Church. My mom is oldest of the seven children of William Charles Navarre (born March 3, 1884) and Ella M. Stroble (b. May 11, 1894). Grandpa was 87 when he died and Grandma was 80 at her death. They were married in Detroit at Holy Redeemer Church in 1915. My Mothers siblings are as follows: Grace Mary Navarre, b. 1917 , died 1965 Jean Madeline Navarre, b. 1918 Ella Margaret Navarre, b. 1919 Marjorie Ann Navarre, b. 1920 Theresa Clare Navarre, b. 1921 William Charles Navarre Jr., b 1925 (??) I will double-check with my Mother on these dates. Thank you so much, Connie ----- Original Message ----- From: Marshall Lloyd To: Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 1:56 PM Subject: Sophia and Robert > By the way, can you tell me your father's name and dates > and the dates of your mother birth death marriage etc. > > Thanks > Marshall >--------- > > The 1870 census seems to be working again > > > PAGE #14 > Brownstown county of Wayne state of Mi enumerated 18th day of Jul 1870 > 124/119 Navarre, Robert 55 M W Miller > Sophia 48 F W keeping house > ------page break to page #15------ > Navarre, Samuel 24 M W Sawmill operator > John 18 M W ??? Maker > > > seems then our Sophia was born abt 1822 > or: > > http://www.familysearch.com/Eng/Search/IGI/individual_record.asp?recid=58122 697&ldsnn=12 > > ------- Subject: Spouses' names Creation Date: 12/8/00 10:09AM From: "rctta" Created By: "rctta@gateway.net".GWIA.SMS Mail Domain I checked and all the birth years of my Aunts and Uncle are correct. I can add the exact date of birth for each and the names of spouses. Elaine married Daniel Thomas Taylor, b. March 15, 1911 - d. July 1973. Grace, b. Dec. 14, 1917 married Marvin Mouchet - They had six children, William, Donald, Marjorie, Elaine, Grace, and James. (Aunt Grace and Uncle (Bud) have both died, but all children are still living) Jean, b. Dec. 15, 1918 married John Bischoff in 1974. They have no children Ella, b. Feb. 7, 1919 married David Stojan in 1973. They have no children Marjorie, b. Aug. 28 1920 married E. Vincent Medonis (deceased) - They had three children, Richard, William, & Jeanann. (all children still living) Note: I think you have been in contact with my cousin Richard, he follows your web site; and he has been researching our Navarre genealogy. Theresa, b. Aug. 18, 1921 married Thomas Wallace Shearer (deceased) - Three children, Thomas, Robert, and James. (all living) William, b. June 27, 1925 married and had one daughter, Mary Louise (she died in 1985). Also I have a correction to the date of death of my Grandfather - William Charles Navarre. You have his death listed as March 1991, but he died in 1971 (March is the correct month). As to of place of birth of William and Ella, William Charles was born in Flat Rock or Rockwood, Michigan; and my grandmother Ella is another of my unsolved mysteries. Her Marriage certificate lists her as born in Michigan (adopted), but family legend says she was born in Maine. Researching my grandmother's past has been the most interesting and intriguing of all. I was the closest grandchild to her of all 15 of us. I was 25 when she died at age 80. She was my role model. The matriarch of the family (so sophisticated and elegant). She had been a nurse when grandpa married her. She was 20, he was 30 at the time they married. None of us in the family ever knew Grandma was adopted. After I had Trevor in 1985, I sent to Holy Redeemer for a copy of my grandparents Marriage certificate. I can't remember why. I think it was to get the correct spelling of grandma's maiden name. When the document arrived it was all in Latin, but we could clearly understand that she had noted she had been adopted. This had such a profound effect on my Mom & Aunts. They where so surprised that she had never told them. I have pretty much resigned myself to the fact that this is one mystery that I will never solve. Your search of the Van Houghtons in 1870 has opened up a whole new mystery and a connection. What do you think of the notation of Maria Navarre age 46 listed as a domestic servt. and having been born in New Jersey??? This (Navarre connection) makes it very probable that Albert and Rachel are my Great G.G. grandparents. But who was Maria? And How can I trace Albert back to the Revolutionary war. One of his grandfathers could have been in the war. Marshall, you have got me hooked again. I haven't had the opportunity to get back into the search for months. But now I'm fascinated again. ======== Subject: Re: Daniel's photos Creation Date: 12/10/00 2:15AM From: "Robert E. and Lynne Wilson" Marshall, I have looked all over for the e-mail address of the lady that sent those photos of Daniel. I cannot find it. I recall she said that she was cleaning out her mother's home, and I am 98% sure she did say it was the old Thomas Wolfe home. I believe her name was Jane-but not real positive. I have even gone into the recycle bin & of course, the deleted e-mail file-any ideas on how to recover it? I usually save all notes,etc. re genealogy but for some momentary brain dead condition must have tossed it since she was no relation. She said she was no rellation.Thank you for giving me credit on your article, but I feel like it should go to her -if only I knew her name. That article mentioned the Ketcham's on Superior St. That is the street where my Grandmother, Anthony Navarre's great, great granddaughter, lived. Since that lady sent those photos to me by e-mail, I cannot tell you which one had his name on the back. I have the Josephine Fassett book that is mentioned in the article and I do believe each time I read it, I find pieces to the puzzle. The Suzors were the godparents of some of the Rumery children. It seems that they all sorta stuck together. I have Father Dennisen's book and does it not say in the forward that there is a lot more information on these families that relatives have sent to the Detroit Genealogical Society and they are saving it for a future publication? In the Toussaint Catholique Church records of Ottawa Co.(St Joseph Church) the priest sometimes entered the name Romaine for Rumery, but perhaps he had a little wine and was tired. Thanks for sending me that article. Lynne ----- Original Message ----- From: Marshall Lloyd To: Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 10:27 AM Subject: Daniel's photos Oh, Okay. Do you have the Name of the owner of these photos. I'd like to copy them for the Toledo Library. They have photos of his other sons ======= Hello~~Yes I would....1-419-472-7568 (Kay) Just tell anyone who answers the phone its about genealogy. My family knows Iam a genealogy nut..Iam sorry i didn't sooner having computer problems... If you want to email me....I'll answer any questions you want......Thanks for your email....Kay ========= I used the Persi Index in the Ancestry.com site and came up with 20 hits for Navarre. Have you been there? I've been trying to call the Toledo Public Lib (Genea) to see if they have the back issues of the Bend of the River references. I can't get thru. They may have had ice last night. They may also have the Northwest Ohio Quarterly. I can't get out of my driveway, much less go anywhere, but if they have those, I'll drive down when the roads get better. At the rate we are going that might be next spring. Also Monroe may have some of the Michigan references. At any rate, it is an interesting site. You might want to look at it if you haven't already done so. It seems there must be another branch of Navarres in Louisiana. Do you know anything about them? More later, esp. if I get through to the library. Bettajoyce ===== DAR. marriages Navarre, Adeline m. James Vinson Nov. 4, 1862 Navarre, Felicis ?Felicia? m. Julien Seizer Feb 27, 1852 Navarre, Louisa m. William Anderson July 1, 1855 Navarre, Moses m. Julia Teal Sept. 6, 1856 Weiser, Henry m. Christine Laude May 20, 1855 East Swanton Cem J. D. Navarre, Sr. b 1896 Maude L. Navarre b. 1899 d. 1957 ------------ "bettajoyce chio" To: Marshall Lloyd Date: Wednesday - December 27, 2000 6:43 PM Subject: SSDI I rec'd an Application for a SS number copy for Robert Joseph Navarre, parents: Mathias James Navarre and Mary Margaret Welch! RJ born 1 Oct 1923 @ Toledo. Current address (5 Oct 1941) 1495 Crestwood, Toledo. Application made 9 Oct 1941, working at the A & P. Formerly at Mercy Hospital as a switchboard operator. Any idea WHO he or his father might be? They aren't listed in your family file on the Web page. I know you said you had some that you hadn't entered yet. ====== "Justin Neely" Monday - January 1, 2001 5:34 PM Re: Navarre Genealogy Pierre Navarre m. Angelique Kisnaahquah (means afternoon women) (Pierre and his brother often get confused. Pierre's brother is Peter the scout who founded Toledo Pierre is called Peter in some records) Frances married John Baptiste DeGraff Joseph Theodore DeGraff m. Dora Belle Riggs Robert George DeGraff m. Sara Eva Strimple Edna Louise DeGraff m. Hollis Bitner Norma June Bitner m. Robert Elton Neely Justin Neely(me) Justin, Thank you for sending me your lineage. I am a descendant of your Pierre's [Peter Pluyette Navarre b. 1787] older brother Robert [b. 4 Mar 1765]. Since we are both 7th generation from their father Robert Jr. [b. 25 Nov 1739] we are sixth cousins. Robert Navarre I Robert Navarre, Jr. 1. Robert Navarre III Pierre Pleyette Navarre 2. Robert T. Navarre Frances (Navarre) DeGraff 3. Maria Archangele (Navarre) Navarre Joseph Theodore DeGraff 4. William Navarre Robert George DeGraff 5. Rachael Marie (Navarre) Lloyd Edna Louise (DeGraff) Bitner 6. Robert Bruce Lloyd Norma June (Bitner)Neely 7. Marshall Davies Lloyd Justin Neely Note that in the 3rd generation of my line Maria Navarre's married name is also Navarre. She married Robert R. Navarre, himself a great-grandson of Robert Navarre I by his son Francis Mary Navarre dit Utreau. Robert R. Navarre's own father was Robert Hutro Navarre, also a scout of the war of 1812, and brother of the Peter the scout whom you mention. Ca. 1807 Robert and Peter built a cabin near the mouth of the Maumee river and are considered early pioneers of that area. My father was from Toledo and I have spent a good deal of time researching the Navarre family there. I'm glad you know that Denissen's "Genealogy of French Families of the Detrit River Region" is incorrect in identifying your Pierre as Peter the Scout. We really should be careful not to add to the confusion in shifting the identification to his older brother Peter who died April 27, 1808 and therefore is inelligible to be a hero of the war of 1812. Neither Peter in your immediate line is the scout as they would have been brothers of Col. Francis Navarre of Monroe fame. Peter the Scout was Col. Francis' cousin and not his brother. Both the Dictionary of American Biography and the Scout himself [both in the Draper manuscripts and in a series of affidavits in the National Archives in D.C.] identify the Scout as the brother of Robert Hutro who is clearly the son of Francis Navarre dit Utreau. I have all these sources online at http://www.mlloyd.org including pictures of the scout. At any rate, because of my descent from Utreau, I am also your sixth cousin once removed. Robert Navarre I 1. Francis Mary Navarre dit Utreau Robert Navarre, Jr. 2. Robert Hutro Navarre ("the scout") Pierre Pleyette Navarre 3. Robert R. Navarre Frances (Navarre) DeGraff 4. William Navarre Joseph Theodore DeGraff 5. Rachael Marie (Navarre) Lloyd Robert George DeGraff 6. Robert Bruce Lloyd, Sr. Edna Louise (DeGraff) Bitner 7. Marshall Davies Lloyd Norma June (Bitner)Neely 8. Justin Neely Can you help me with some dates of the DeGraffs on down in your line (deaths, births, marriages and locations). Thanks again for your help and willingness to correspond. Regards, Marshall Davies Lloyd PO Box 158 444 Water Lane Tappahannock, VA 22560 John DEGRAFF Birth: 1863 Pottawatomie Indian Reservation, Jackson, Kansas Father: John DEGRAFF Mother: Francis_ John Baptiste DeGraff Birth: 12 Aug 1832 Place: Canada Death: 4 Apr 1915 Place: Roseville, Shawnee, Kansas Father: John Baptiste DeGraff Disc #4 Pin #1033654 Mother: Mary Salois Disc #4 Pin #1033655 Spouse: Frances Naverre Disc #4 Pin #1033565 Marriage: 28 Sep 1857 South Bend, St. Joseph, Indianna Submitter: Elizabeth Ann Knight 227 East 2000 South, Orem, Utah 84058 Frances Naverre (F) Birth: abt 1834 South Bend, St. Joseph, Indianna Death: 18 Sep 1923/24 Roseville, , Kansas Burial: 20 Sep 1923/24 St. Mary's Cemet John Baptiste DeGraff Birth: 1794 Canada Death: 14 Dec 1882 South Bend, St. Joseph, Indianna Burial: 16 Dec 1882 Cedar Grove Ceme Father: Jean Baptiste Descaraffe Mother: Marie Louise Fremont Cottenoir-Dutrem Disc #4 Pin #1033664 Spouse: Mary Salois Marriage: 18 Feb 1828 Yamaska, , Canada Mary Salois Salois or Salloway Birth: 19 Dec 1808 Yamaska, , Canada Christening: 19 Dec 1808 Death: 18 Sep 1890 South Bend, St. Joseph, Indianna Burial: Cedar Grove Ceme Descendants of Frank DeGraff 1 Frank DeGraff b: Oct 14, 1835 in Burlington, Chittenden Co., VT d: May 21, 1911 in South Bend, St. Joseph Co., IN .. +Frances Catherine Fenton b: Sep 01, 1846 in Cleveland, Cuyahoga Co., OH m: 1864 d: Apr 30, 1872 in South Bend, St. Joseph Co., IN ......... 2 Frank Ralph DeGraff b: Aug 02, 1865 in Galien, Berrien Co., MI d: Apr 19, 1942 in Fenton Farm, Berrien Co., MI ............. +Amanda Olive Bachtel b: Feb 02, 1862 m: Feb 15, 1888 in South Bend, St. Joseph Co., IN d: Dec 19, 1952 in Stark Co., OH ......... 2 John E DeGraff b: May 20, 1867 in South Bend, St. Joseph Co., IN d: Dec 17, 1923 in South Bend, St. Joseph Co., IN ............. +Evelyn Ashley b: Apr 06, 1863 in North Manchester, Wabash Co., IN m: Mar 12, 1910 d: Sep 30, 192 in Inianapolis, Marion Co., IN ......... 2 Nelson Michael DeGraff b: Feb 28, 1868 in South Bend, St. Joseph Co., IN d: Dec 21, 1914 in South Bend, St. Joseph Co., IN ............. +Rosella Heltzel b: Apr 16, 1879 in Stark Co., OH m: Jan 01, 1896 in South Bend, St. Joseph Co., IN d: Aug 16, 1953 in South Bend, St. Joseph Co., IN ......... 2 George Clinton DeGraff b: Mar 17, 1871 in South Bend, St. Joseph Co., IN d: Dec 21, 1912 in South Bend, St. Joseph Co., IN ............. +Minnie Bessie Lontz b: =========== From: "Matthew Przysiecki" To: Marshall Lloyd Date: Tuesday - January 2, 2001 8:23 PM Subject: Open first Mime.822 (1507 bytes) [View] [Save As] Marshall, I hope you and your family enjoyed the holidays. Happy New Year to all of you. I have several photographs that will be sent in separate transmissions. They are all jpeg format. Please let me know if you need any of them resent and if any save changes need to be made. I dated the ones with known dates. Hopefully, your knowledge and experience will assist you in dating the others. If you have specific questions, I can try to get them answered for you. I hope you find this material will add wealth to your ongoing project. Sincerely, Matt P.S. I apologize for my lack of timeliness and hope that I can be of help in the future. ===== I came across Laurence and Family in the 1910 Ohio Census Thought you might be interested in Robert F. Cousino's siblings 1 Laurence J Cousino 1872-1923 b: Abt. 1872 in MI d: May 03, 1923 in Lucas Co.; DC Vol 4178, #34060 .. +Ida 1875- b: Abt. 1875 in MI ....2 Walter P Cousino 1899- b: Abt. 1899 in MI ....2 Myrtle M Cousino 1900- b: Abt. 1900 ....2 Loyd L Cousino 1902- b: Abt. 1902 ....2 Clayton M Cousino 1904- b: Abt. 1904 ....2 Patrick T Cousino 1907- b: Abt. 1907 in OH ....2 Robert Francis Cousino b: in OH .... +Grace Stoddard .......3 Roger Thomas Cousino 1932-1999 b: December 20, 1932 in Curtice, OH d: February 14, 1999 in Columbus, OH ....... +Sally Marie Wiser 1935- b: April 02, 1935 in Toledo, OH m: August 27, 1955 in St. Ignatius, Momineetown, Oregon, OH ............4 Gregory Sean Cousino 1955- b: October 15, 1955 in Toledo, OH ............ +Carrie Jane Gallo m: July 28, 1979 in Columbus, OH ................5 Timothy Roger Cousino 1987- b: April 07, 1987 in Wauseon, OH ................5 Andrew James Cousino 1992- b: August 21, 1992 in Wauseon, OH ==== 7:32 PM 1/5/01 You have been busy!!! Dorothy Siglow Mc-- was my grandfather's sister. Dorothy Caroline Siglow Boose was my mother's sister. Died of Scarlet Fever in 1917/18, leaving two very young daughters. U. Jim left OH for KS about a year later. His parents had moved there. Faye is the eldest and Audrey shares my birth month and day. I understand she was thrilled about that. Both are still alive and I correspond with Audrey. I will send you a family sheet for my mom's family. Also Albert and Henry Menne (Celia) and families are listed, Wood Co., Lake Twp. Those are good copies. The Maxim Faneuf in Wood Co.---------I think he is the one sometimes called Michael and Rose & Israel's brother. His wife is listed as Mary C. Since there is a stepson -----Snyder, age 11, living with them, I've always thought she is the Mary Snyder that bought my grandfather Israel's burial plot (1915). Mary Snyder, not Faneuff, is the person of record at the cemetery. Maxim M. and Mary C. have been married for three yrs. in the census and have a daughter two years old. I can never get a good enough copy to read the children's names. Perhaps 'Deeney' R. Snyder. In 1920, he is listed as R.D. Snyder and daughter is listed as Nola, so that is what I named them!! Lemuel and Henry Faneuff's familes are listed in Wood Co., Lake Twp., also. And Alice Faneuff is listed under Millier, her husband. ALL of the copies are so poor that I wrote the info on them so I'd know what it said!! In 1910 my dad, Israel Faneuuf, is listed with the Moses Perry family, Jerusalem Twp., Lucas Co. Don't start on the Navarres until you have LOTS of time. Thad and Rena Williams, Mominees, Cutchers, etc. I have only Lucas Co., Oregon and Jerusalem Twps. and Wood Co., Lake Twp. There are Navarres in Ottawa Co., also. So, if you find any in other Twps., I probably don't have them. That is a great page. Bettajoyce ======== to "mprzysiecki@earthlink.net".GWIA.SMS Mail Domain, PETER CLUCKEY and ELIZA NAVARRE married on 07 Sep 1866 Ottawa OH ========== I should have sent you more explaination. I was firing off an email to Clyde and put you in the CC. It was the SIGLERS not the SIGLOWS that were the new ones to the file. They are the in-laws of Lemuel. Based on this census, I've added some approximate dates of birth for Lydia Ann Sigler and Grace S. Faneuff's siblings. Arquette does not yet fit in but there is some promise. Matthew Melvin Przysiecki [have you seen his photos of Uncle Eddie on Edward and Zoe (Mominee) Navarre's Page yet http://www.mlloyd.org/gen/navarre/eddie.html?] was telling me his mother-in-law claims Navarre ancestry--a Eunice (Floro) Rinker with Arquette ancestry. I'm trying to collect the pieces. The thing that made me believe the tales are more than rumor, she mentions Cluckey as a name in her tree. She supposedly did a grade school project on her family tree. Ancestry.com shows PETER CLUCKEY and ELIZA NAVARRE married on 07 Sep 1866 Ottawa OH I remember your saying Cluckey is Clouthier? At any rate, Arquette is in the file "ON SPECULATION" in hopes it all pans out. Biggest problem: she seems to recall her ancester is a MARY NAVARRE [again! I need numbers or something for all these Marys]. I'm a fine one to talk, our new little one will be Mary Livingston Lloyd! regards, Marshall Descendants of Davis Sigler 1 Davis Sigler ..+Lydia Ann Dennis 1863- b: Abt. 1863 in Ohio ....2 Charles S. Sigler 1877- b: Abt. 1877 in OH ......+Elsie W. 1881- b: Abt. 1881 in OH ....2 Franklin W. Sigler 1879- b: 1879 in Indiana ....2 Grace S. Sigler 1881-1944 b: 1881 in Roanoke, Indiana d: April 12, 1944 in East Side Hospital, Toledo, OH ......+Lemuel William Faneuff 1878-1941 b: September 15, 1878 in Tilbury, Ont. m: 1902 d: February 22, 1941 in Walbridge, OH ....2 Earl Sigler 1886- b: Abt. 1886 ....2 Raymond Sigler 1889- b: Abt. 1889 >>> "bettajoyce chio" 01/14/01 06:57PM >>> They are not mine. Two families of Siglows came to Toledo. I have them both. Thanks to you. The Fred Siglow you got before was the one I had very little on. I had pics, but not much else. That census reding helped me to make a good connection with the names. You have been busy, though. I looked over the page and will have to spend some time with it. Those da-- Navarres. They pop up all over the place! Where do the Arquettes fit in? I know a number of them, but never knew we were related! On second thought, I don't WANT to know. Got too much to do now. Ha. Ha. Thanks again-- Bettajoyce ---------- >From: "Marshall Lloyd" >To: >Subject: Siglers in 1910 Ohio census >Date: Sun, Jan 14, 2001, 3:38 PM ====== Cheryl Dewey Sunday, December 31, 2000 Subject, Oliver Navarre Hello, I am researching my ancestors in the OH area. My gg grandmother Adeline (Adelia) Boyer Purnia married Oliver Navarre somewhere around 1900. She had 2 children by my gg grandfather Moses Purnia before she married Oliver. They had a son Pete together as well as her sons David and Albert Purnia. I am unable to locate any info on this side of my family. My grandfater was Albert Purnia. If anyone has any info please let me know. I have extensive info on Albert to the present. Thanks, Cheryl Dewey By any chance do you have an Oliver Navarre in your line. b. about 1850 or so. He had a son Pete then married my gggrandmother Adeline (Adelia) Purnia. She had 2 sons Albert (my grandfather) and his brother David. I found the information on a 1920 census of the Lucas County (Toledo). I am having trouble finding info on the Purnia's soI am trying to find info on the Navarre's since that was her last husband's name. Pete died inSpringfield, OH in the 1960's. If you have any info I'd love to hear from you. Thanks, Cheryl Dewey Hi Cheryl, My gg grandmothers name was Cathrine Ann (Kane) Navarre, Her husband was Louis Alexander Navarre. They had alot of kids but have only my grandmother Mary and her sister Marcella, found. They had brothers which I know nothing about, even names. They all lived in Michigan, and my great aunt Marcella was born in Adrian,Michigan. My grandmother died in California in 1937 at the age of about 40, and married a man named Carl Nysewander. Before my gg grandmother was a Navarre her last name was Kane, Thats all I know so far. Good Luck, Shannon Nysewander Kathy,did your gg granfather have lots of brothers and sisters? Looking for info on my grandmother Mary J Navarre, who married a Carl Nysewander. Thanks Shanny Mary Joesephine Navarre Posted by: Shannon Nysewander Message: Hi, My dads mom died when he was 6yrs old, her name was Mary Joesephine Navarre and she married a Carl Nysewander,and moved to California. Both families were from Michigan. Mary died in 1937. I don't have any info about her at all, mom or dads name, if there was siblings nothing. I would appreciate any info. She was in her 40's when she died. Thanks Shannon Found out my gg grandmother was Catherine Kane,before she married Louis Alexander Navarre.Any more info would be helpful. They lived in Michigan Subject: Nels Navarre (Parents Edward and Caroline) Posted by: Scott Navarre Message: I am trying to get more info on my great grandfather Nels Navarre (born: April 13, 1876? in New York; died: Jan 17, 1936 in Buhl, Minnesota). All I have is his death certificate which lists his parents as Edward and Caroline (Larrange?) of Michigan. Does anyone have further information of this family? Thank you. from Jennet 'Walters" Merriam: I was born in Toledo and am looking for info on a Sarah Navarre. She was my great great grandmother. She married an unknown (first name) last name Durell. He was born in Monroe Mi. They had a son by the mane of George M. Durell. Maybe we are connected. I have some articles that talk about Peter Navarre and have heard my dad talk about him...Would like to hear from you. Posted by: Donald W. Martin Message: My great-grandfather's name was George Eli Navarre, he had a daughter named Lorraine Anona Navarre. She is my grandmother and still with us.Anybody have any information regarding George,please e-mail me. Microfilm of original records at Ottawa County courthouse, Port Clinton, Ohio. Marriage records, 1840-1930: Ohio. Probate Court (Ottawa County) http://www.familysearch.com/Eng/Search/IGI/individual_record.asp?recid=34285015&ldsnn=12 Sarah NAVARRE F Marriage(s): Spouse: Martin H. HESSELBART Marriage: 9 Mar 1886 Ottawa, Ohio Burton HESSELBART - International Genealogical Index/NA Gender: M Birth: 21 Oct 1875 Ottawa, Ohio of Frank and Mary (Gill) HESSELBART 8. Emeline HESSELBART - International Genealogical Index/NA Gender: F Marriage: 10 Sep 1876 Ottawa, Ohio to William RATHS 9. Herman H. HESSELBERT - International Genealogical Index/NA Gender: M Marriage: 3 Nov 1875 Ottawa, Ohio to Mary HOLLINGSHEAD 10. John HESSELBART - International Genealogical Index/NA Gender: M Marriage: 17 Oct 1888 Ottawa, Ohio to Ricka GENTZ 11. Lewis HESSELBART - International Genealogical Index/NA Gender: M Marriage: 19 Dec 1883 Ottawa, Ohio to Bell CRITCHFIELD 12. Lucy HESSELBART - International Genealogical Index/NA Gender: F Marriage: 21 Nov 1888 Ottawa, Ohio to Hugh A. BOWLAND 13. Martin H. HESSELBART - International Genealogical Index/NA Gender: M Marriage: 9 Mar 1886 Ottawa, Ohio to Sarah NAVARRE From Jenet: Ohio Marriages Navarre, Alexander to Victoria Morin * Navarre, David to Evaline Shellis/Snellis [Evaline (Shelles) Meister m Bef. 1866] Navarre, David to Agnes Schnee Navarre, Denis W. to Mary sondnett * Navarre, Exwia(?) to Anna McCarty [Francis Exavia to Anna m. 1871] * Navarre, George to Mary E. ? [Mary E. Mominee m. Abt. 1875] * Navarre, Guillainne to Rosalie ? [William to Rose Emma Faneuff m. 2/1/1887] * Navarre, Isadore to Mary Gossage [Mary Gorsuch m. abt 1866] * Navarre, Isadore to Rosalie Prudham [Rosalie Prudhomme m. 6/3/1871] * Navarre, James to Angeline Cassavand [abt. 1871] Navarre, James to Rosalia Arquette * Navarre, Jerome to Anna Rumery [5/14/1888] * Navarre, Lambert to Angeline Navarre [1/10/1871] * Navarre, Moses to Julia Teal [Julia (DeShannaway)] * Navarre, Noah to Mary Coder [Odin Noah Navarre] Navarre, Patrick to Kate Shaube Navarre, Phillip to Celia Navarre Navarre, Richard to Eveline Momine * Navarre, Richard to Caroline Momenee [Bef. 1886] * Navarre, Robert [C.] to Lucinda Anheny [Ankeney] [m. 12/8/1860] * Navarre, Russell B. to Elizabeth Gerbert * Navarre, Alice M. to Phillip Carrigan [abt. 1893] * Navarre, Catharine to George DeKay [m. May 01, 1856] * Navarre, Celia to Edward Dunn [m. May 07, 1863] * Navarre, Elizabeth to Cad M. Williams [m. 1866] * Navarre, Ellen to Isaac Williams [Bef. 1887] Navarre, Felicia to Julien Selzer Navarre, Felicis to Julius Segur * Navarre, Hattie to William Phillips [Hattie M. to Wm. H.] Navarre, Hattie A. to Frank O. Schroeder Navarre, Josephine to John F. Gifford * Navarre, Libbey to Henry Witty [Marie Elizabeth to Henry R.] Navarre, Louisa to William Anderson Navarre, Marnetta, to Edward French Navarre, Mary to Robert Narone Navarre, Mina to Charles E. Burguoyne Navarre, Minnie to Arthur A. Standish * Navarre, [P]hilomene to Frank Reisch * Navarre, Sarah to Frederick Miller Navarre, Sarah to John Moran * Navarre, Sarah J. to Albert A. Eqing [Sarah Jeanne to Albert A. Ewing] Navarre, Victoria to Moses Bourdo Navarre, Victoria to Henry Perry [Victoria (Morin) Navarre?] NAME DATE PARENTS [mdl brackets mine] X Ida 21 Sep 1878 Albert & Julia * Hattie M. 14 Sep 1874 David & Evline [Eveline (Shelles) Meister] X Gilbert 8 Aug 1867 David & Victoria * Mary E[dith]. 28 May 1878 George & Mary E. [Mary E. Mominee] 8 Pearl R. 22 Dec 1876 Isadore & Mary [Mary Gorsuch] * Joseph 13 Dec 1874 Isadore & Rose [Rosalie Prudhomme] * Francis 30 Nov 1873 Isadore & Rose * Bruno 27 Jan 1878 Isadore & Rose Evline 11 Sep 1874 J C Lilla 26 May 1871 James & Adaline * Kate 29 Dec 1875 James & Adeline * Unnamed 11 Apr 1872 Isadore & Rose * Francis 15 Dec 1868 Joseph & Bernice [aka Marie Betsey Prudhomme] * Chas. 15 Oct 1875 Lamber & Augustine * Abram 15 Nov 1871 Lambert & Angeline Delia 24 May 1878 Philip & Celia * Andrew 30 mar 1869 Robert R. & Maria * Mary 26 May 1873 Robt. & Mary [Robert R. & Maria] * Louis 9 Sep 1875 R. R. & Maria [Robert R.] Sam'l. I. 26 Mar 1876 Sam'l. & Eliza * Jessie J. 5 Aug 1877 Tonsanit & Celeste * Jeneva 25 Sep 1874 Xavia & Annie [Jennie] * Gabrella 13 Dec 1871 Xervid & Anna [Xavia & Annie/dau. Gay] Navoy, David 3 Dec 1871 David & Victoria (I will check the entries for these, but this is the spelling as it was put in the indexes.) I will find more the next time I'm at the library. Agnes Schnee, born 19 Dec 1874 in Toledo, OH. Married David Navarre, born 3 Dec 1871. Children Ruth, Hazel (married a Peltier), Edward, Paul A., David E. The Schnees are in my family. Her brother Edward (Charles Edwin) married my grandmother Theresa Fuchs. Just went back through my notes. David Navarre and Agnes Schnee were married Nov 14 1893 in St. Mary's Catholic Church on Page St. in Toledo, OH. Witnesses Johann Eggle, Anna Hobmeier, Louis M. Kramer, Sr. Deb Yonker-Hecht Message: Sorry, I just read the other message that you sent to me which identified you with the Schnee family. My husband is decended from Agnes' daughter, Ruth...who married a Hecht. Would you be willing to share more information on the ancestry of Agnes Schnee?? Hi, Yes I will share what I have. Nothing on Navarre's. Schnee's are my side. I will give you what I have. My e-mail is JKLK@accesstoledo.com. Janet Looking for information on Robert Edward Hecht, born in 1891 in Detroit, MI. Father, also Robert Hecht, came from Germany. ============ From: "Cheryl Dewey" To: Marshall Lloyd Date: Monday - January 15, 2001 6:24 PM Subject: Oliver Navarre Marshall, Boy, what a thrill to hear from you. I'd love to share info. I just sent out a request for the death certificate on A.Adeline Navarre. I am praying that I am right that she is my ggrandmother. I have been unable to find her under Boyer, Purnia, but Navarre. I found the 1910 census records and found both of them. Please e-mail me back and I'd love to share any thing with you that I have. Thanks again, Cheryl Dewey Marshall, Thanks for the great info. Your web site is great and easy to follow. I am very pleased with the information you have. Thanks again. If I can share info with you let me know what you would like. I am in the process of requesting the death cert for A. Adeline Navarre she died 6/1/1929. She is buried in Toledo Memorial Park Cemetery. Her son David is in the same cemetery but in a different area. Do you know where Oliver is buried. I have requested his death cert (01/02/01) and just requested Adeline's. My grandmother is Adeline's daughter by Moses Purnia. Thanks again, Cheryl Dewey Michigan 1870 census Summerfield Twp. Monroe Co. Purnia, Levi 41 farmer b. Oh Margaret 23 hse wf b. MI Sherman 4 b. MI Sophia 2 b. MI Robert D. 1/12 b. MI ======= 1910 census has Frank Reisch not Frank Reich as I had. This is Samuel R. Navarre and Philomen Navarre's dau. 1910 census: Ohio Lucas, Toledo Frank Reisch Husband White Age 49 born New York Wife: Philomene 39, b. Ohio Daughter: Dora M 21, Ohio Daughter: Alta E 19, Ohio Daughter: Winifred M 17, Ohio Daughter: Hazel M 13, Ohio ==== Thanks. Looked on the tombstone pic I have and it says 1949. I guess I made a typo. -------------- This has always confused me. I wondered it they called her Doris. With a name like Varie seems to me you'd need a nickname. Maybe the SSDI will clear it up for me. ------------- Spent the day on Stan Bourdo's picture album. I'm nearly blind. So I will look at the rest of your info later in the week. I know I never did C. Boureaux (sp?) Thanks for the Duclos info------and the rest. Bettajoyce Talked to Sheila Jean (Morse) Wagonlander last night, she is Dwight Wagonlander wife and the dau.-in-law of Doris Varie Faneuff. She says it was "Doris" Varie Faneuff. Sheila was delightful and may have an article or two. She has Maxime's walking stick with a cryptic inscription. Intends to send photo. Here are my gleenings: Descendants of John Wagonlander 1 John Wagonlander . +Helen Baker ...2 Morris Wagonlander 1898-1972 b: November 19, 1898 in Ottawa Lake, MI d: February 26, 1972 in Sylvania, Oh .... +Doris Varie Faneuff 1903-1974 b: February 19, 1903 d: August 25, 1974 in Alpena, MI ......3 Dwight Gerald Wagonlander 1927-1993 b: April 16, 1927 in Flower Hospital, Toledo, OH d: January 26, 1993 in Flower Hospital, Toledo, OH ....... +Sheila Jean Morse 1930- b: December 01, 1930 in Swanton, OH m: November 07, 1953 in Swanton, OH .........4 Peggy Ann Wagonlander 1954- b: April 29, 1954 in Flower Hospital, Toledo, OH ...........+Dennis Lynn Mulka b: in Of Rogers City MI m: November 09, 1974 in Sylvania, OH ............5 Elizabeth Anne Mulka 1977- b: May 19, 1977 in Alpina, MI ............5 Aaron Lynn Mulka 1982- b: December 17, 1982 in Big Rapids, MI .........4 Julie Ann Wagonlander 1957- b: April 05, 1957 in Flower Hospital, Toledo, OH ...........+Alan Kurt Mintz m: February 13, 1981 in Sylvania, OH ............5 Rachael Anna Mintz 1982- b: October 28, 1982 in Flower Hospital, Toledo, OH ............5 Molly Maria Mintz 1984- b: April 12, 1984 in Flower Hospital, Toledo, OH ............5 Nichole Ashley Mintz 1986- b: November 17, 1986 in St. Vincents ............5 Mathieu Kurt Mintz 1990- b: April 12, 1990 .........4 John David Wagonlander 1963- b: January 03, 1963 in Flower Hospital, Toledo, OH ...........+Dawn Marie Marksch April- b: April 29 m: June 29, 1991 in Sylvania, OH ............5 Zachery John Wagonlander 1993- b: June 06, 1993 ............5 Ashley Marie Wagonlander 2000- b: February 07, 2000 ......3 Bonnie Wagonlander b: in Alpena, MI ....... +Thomas Watkins .........4 Thomas Watkins ........4 Rebecca Watkins ........4 female Watkins ..2 Park Wagonlander ..2 Jesse Wagonlander ======= "Cheryl Dewey" Marshall, These links are absolutely wonderful. I know Oliver was technically my step-great grandfather, but wow!! what a family. I am just thrilled over the amount of work you have done on your site. I am very interested in any info on Adeline also. Like I said in my last e-mail, I think I have located her grave site in the toledo Memorial Park Cemetery. Do you know where Oliver is buried? Thanks again, I have spent months looking for Adeline when all I had to do was to look up Oliver. They must have been a very affluent family in the Toledo area (they might still be). I will be in Toledo with my brother and mother next July 7-17-01. If you are in the area I would love to meet you. Thanks and keep in touch. Cheryl Dewey I was just reading my first e-mail to you and I incorrectly stated that my grandmother was a child of Adeline, I meant my grandfather Albert Vincent Purnia. Look at your info and I will attempt to get my data base on the Purnia/Bissonnette line to you. I am rather new at this computer stuff and I am not too sure how to do it. I have it all in my Family tree Maker file. If you have any ideas, let me know so that I can get the info to you. Cheryl Marshall, Here is my Bissonnette file. It contains the Purnia information I have so far. I have grafted a small bit but I havent's had too much of a chance to view it all. I love the pictures of the various family members. I wish I could find my great grandmother's 1st husband Moses Purnia. If you have any insight on that one let me know. My mother is Donna Mae Purnia in tree. Enjoy. Let me know if the file sent okay ________________ Subject: Re: Belt Axe Creation Date: 1/23/01 7:42PM From: "D. Miles" Sir, The photos are great, but it looks alot like a "cruiser axe". With a full haft, around $200. Thanks Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marshall Lloyd" To: Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2001 9:59 PM Subject: Belt Axe I am interested in the axe used by my 4th great uncle. He was Harrison's scout in the war of 1812, Peter Navarre. One of the pioneers of the Toledo area. I have two photos of him for your perusal. Can you estimate how much it would cost to reproduce? regards, Marshall Davies Lloyd ====== Marshall Davies Lloyd PO Box 158 444 Water Lane Tappahannock, VA 22560 804 443-9444 Personal check is coming. Regards, Marshall >>> Scott Tanner 01/24/01 05:29PM >>> You were the high bidder on the medallic piece of 4.99 plus shipping of 3.50 making a grand total of 8.49. Please send me your address so I can have packaged and ready to mail when payment arrrives. My address is as follows Scott Tanner %Gourmet Corner 1108 N. Washington Marion, Illinois 62959 THANKS SCOTT ======= Toledo Blade Published: Jan 24, 2001 Alice R. Heising Died: Jan 22, 2001 / Jan 23, 2001 Alice R. Heising, 83, of Waterville, OH, died Monday, January 22, 2001. She was a direct descendant of Oliver Hazzard Perry and Peter Navarre. Alice was a member of St. Patricks Church in Grand Rapids where she was organist for many years. She was a past president of its Altar and Rosary Society, and was chairman for many years of the church's summer festival. She and her husband, Eugene Heising, owned and operated Heising Lumber Co. of Grand Rapids from 1947 to 1972, when they retired to enjoy traveling. Gene preceded her in death October 12, 1990. Alice is survived by 3 sons, Keith (Barbara), Ferdinand (Betty), and Eugene (Barb) Heising Jr.; 1 sister, Ruth Chamberlain; 13 grandchildren and 24 great-grandchildren. Also preceding her in death were 2 brothers, George and Robert Navarre, and 1 sister, Alma LaCourse. Friends may call after 2 p.m. Wednesday at Wright Funeral Home, Grand Rapids, OH. A Mass of Christian Burial will be offered at 10 a.m. Thursday at St. Patricks Church, Grand Rapids. Memorials may be to the Christian Appalachian Project or Eagle Butte Indian Reservation. ======== Toledo Blade Published: Jan 22, 2001 Christine A. Susor Died: Jan 20, 2001 Christine A. Susor, of North Erie St., died Saturday, January 20, 2001, at her residence at the age of 58 years. Christine was a housekeeper for the Holiday Inn Motel. She was preceded in death by her parents, Erving and Sydonia Susor; brother, Ronald, and special friend, Ted Beeman. Surviving are her brothers, Donald (Helene), John (Nora) and Barton Susor, and sister, Mary Spaulding. Many nieces and nephews also survive. Friends may call at the Foth-Dorfmeyer Mortuary, 3815 Sylvania Ave. at Woodley Rd. (between Monroe St. and Talmadge Rd.) on Tuesday from 2-9 p.m. Her body will lie in state Wednesday after 9:30 a.m. in St. Thomas Aquinas Church followed by Mass of the Christian Burial at 10:30 a.m. Interment Calvary Cemetery. Scripture Service will be held Tuesday evening at 7:30 p.m. in the mortuary. Family prefers tributes to The Salvation Army. ========== Published: Jan 23, 2001 Christine A. Susor Died: Jan 19, 2001 Christine A. Susor, of North Erie St., died Friday, January 19, 2001, at her residence at the age of 58 years. Christine was a housekeeper for the Holiday Inn Motel. She was preceded in death by her parents, Erving and Sydonia Susor; brother, Ronald, and special friend, Ted Beeman. Surviving are her brothers, Donald (Helene), John (Nora) and Barton Susor, and sister, Mary Spaulding. Many nieces and nephews also survive. Friends may call at the Foth-Dorfmeyer Mortuary, 3815 Sylvania Ave. at Woodley Rd. (between Monroe St. and Talmadge Rd.) on Tuesday from 2-9 p.m. Her body will lie in state Wednesday after 9:30 a.m. in St. Thomas Aquinas Church followed by Mass of the Christian Burial at 10:30 a.m. Interment Calvary Cemetery. Scripture Service will be held Tuesday evening at 7:30 p.m. in the mortuary. Family prefers memorial tributes to The Salvation Army. ======== Mail Envelope Properties (3A704D4E.A04 : 15 : 35332) Subject: Clemer LaCourse Creation Date: 1/25/01 10:48AM From: "Mary Ellen (Claude) Schreiter" Thanks for the info. Have added you to my E-mail addresses. I have over 4,500 names on my Bodi Geni through marriages, etc. My maiden name was Kellogg and a Grand-son-In-Law has gone back to King Edward I and King Edward II through marriages. He's way beyond me on that. I had gone to 1488. They currently live in Maryland but will be moving this year to North Carolina if all goes as currently planned. Thanks again. clmesch From: "Mary Ellen \(Claude\) Schreiter" Went to meeting today and someone ask if I had read obit about a lady related to Oliver Hazzard Perry and Navarre's. Of course, I hadn't so came home to look and found that it is a sister of Ruth Navarre Chamberlain. ALICE R. HEISING Alice R. Heising, 83 of Watervillwe, OH died Monday, January 22, 2001. She was a direct descendant of Oliver Hazzard Perry and Peter Navarre. Alice was a member of St. Patricks Church in Grand Padis where she was organist for many years. She was a past president of the Altar and Rosary Society and was chairman for many years of the shurch's summer festival. She and her husband, Eugene Heising, owned and operated Heising Lumber Company of Grand Rapids from 1947 to 1972, when they retired to enjoy traveling. Gene preceded her in death October 12, 1990. (Born - October 1911). Alice is survied by 3 sons, Keith (Barbara), Ferdinand (Betty) and Eugene (Barb) Heising, Jr; 1 sister Ruth Chamberlain; 13 grandchildren and 24 great-grandchildren. Also preceding her in death were 2 brothers, George and Robert Navarre and 1 sister, Alma LaCourse. (Do not have her husband on record) Friends may call after 2 p.m. Wednesday (today) at Wright Funeral Home, Grand Rapds, OH. A Mass of Christian Burial will be offered at 10 a.m. Thursday at St. Patricks Church, Grand Papids. Memorials may be given to the Christian Applachian Project or Eagle Butte Indian Reservation in SD. ALICE R. HEISING, 1917-2001 With husband, she ran a lumber yard Alice R. Heising of Waterville, a co-owner of the former Heising Lumber Co., Grand Rapids, Ohio and a descendant of Peter Navarre and Commodore Oliver Hazard Perry, died Monday in St. Lukes Hospital, Maumee. She was 83. Mrs. Heising died of respiratory failure, her son, Keith, said. She was a patient in the hospital for about a week. She had lived alone in the village of Waterville. She was a bookkeper and co-owned the lumber yard with her husband, Eugene, from 1947 to 1972, when they closed the business, sold the eight acres on which it was built and retired. Mr. Heising died in 1990. Mrs. Heising attended Neapolis School, but dropped out before she finished high school, her son said. But she successfully completed the state's tests to receive a general equivalency dipoloma in 1958. "Mother was a very intelligent person and was well suited to co-owning a lumber vusiness. My father was pretty much self-employed and got into the lumber business by importing lumber from Michigan," her son said. The Heising Lumber Co., was four miles from the historic Isaac Ludwig Mill, first bought by Eugene Heising's father, Frank, and owned and operated by Cleo Heising, the elder Mr. Heising's brothers, when the two enterprises were active commercially. Mrs. Heising was a apast president of the Alter Rosary Society of St. Patrick's Church, Grand Rapids, where she was the organist and chired the church's summer festival, which started during World War II and ran into the 1950s, her son said. "She played the organ at church for more than 3- years. She started with an old pump organ. The, in the 1960s, the church got an electric organ. She was really enthusidastic about the new organ because she could play more tones on it," her son said. She was about five times removed from the Commodore Perry on her mother's side and she was about four times removed from Peter Navarre on her father's side. As a result, Mrs. Heising took great pride in her connection to Commodore Perry, and her son said she always enjoyed attending the annual reunions held by the descendants of Peter Navarre in East Toledo and Oregon Township before the city of Oregon was incorporated. In the1940s, Mrs. Heising was impressed with a new gas kitchen stove her husband bought to replace a kerosene stove she had been using, her son said. Rather than discard thekerosene stove, Mrs. Heising moved the serviceable stove into the cellare andused it for years in an extensive canning operation that supplied her family with apple jellies and preserves made from peaches, apples, pears and cherries harvested on land around the lumber business. Surviving are her sons, Keith, Ferdinand, and Eugene, Jr; sister, Ruth Chamberlain; 13 grandchildren and 24 great grandchildren. The body will be in the Wright Funeral HOme, Grand Rapids after 2 p.m. today (24th) with Scripture services at 8:30 tonight. Funeral services will be at 10 a.m. tomorrow (25th) in St. Patrick's Church, Grand Rapids. The family requests tributes to the Christian Appalachian Project or to the Eagle Butte Indian Reservation in South Dakota. * * * * * clmesch ======== Toledo Blade Published: Jan 12, 2001 Ray F. Zunk Died: Jan 10, 2001 Ray F. Zunk, 68, of Martin, OH, died Wednesday, January 10, 2001, in St. Vincent-Mercy Medical Center, Toledo, OH. Ray was born May 29, 1932, in Martin to Fredrick R. and Wilhelmina F. M. (Blausey) Zunk. On November 29, 1958, in Williston, OH, he married Mary Ann Soncrant and she survives. Ray most recently worked in maintenance for the Stony Ridge Inn for nine years retiring in December, 1999. He also worked as a repairman for the Jeep Corp. in Toledo for 39 years, retiring in 1988. He had also worked as a parts runner for Kreamers in Clay Center, OH. Ray participated in a bowling league in Clay Center and enjoyed fishing and his motorcycle. He was always working as a handyman. In addition to his wife, survivors include his children, Renee R. (George) Cramer of Perrysburg, OH, James W. (Deborah) Zunk of Martin, and Jada A. Riddle of Curtice, OH; grandchildren, Tyler, Rae Ann, Jaymes, and Nicholas; brother, Robert (Terry) Zunk of Clay Center, and sister, Frances (William) Ehrsam of Oregon, OH. His parents preceded him in death. Funeral services will be conducted 11 a.m. Saturday, January 13, 2001, in the Robinson-Henn-Brossia Funeral Home, Genoa, OH, with interment to follow in Allen Township Cemetery, Williston, OH. Visitation will be 2-9 p.m. Friday with the family present 2-4 and 7-9 p.m. The family suggests memorials to the Allen Township Volunteer Fire Department or the donor's choice. ======== Thaks loads, No I missed it and wish I had not. Christine Susor's sister is the daughter-in-law of very special friends of ours, Mary Spaulding. Mary lost her husband about a year ago, more or less, with brain cancer. His name was Norman Spaulding. His parents wer Norman Ignatius Spaulding and Sally, but will have to give you her married name later. Know is about as well as my own but mind is playing tricks again. Re- Alice Heising - Section 8, Page 4, Wednesday, January 24, 2001. Has both Obit and story. Marshall, what state do you live in?? Thanks again, have already talked to Sally. May see Mary tonight at her mother-in-laws. Completely shocked. clmesch ===== Keith E Heising Phone: 419-335-3913 14671 County Rd J, Wauseon OH 43567-9142 Eugene A Heising Phone: 419-878-4962 8952 Hertzfeld Rd, Waterville OH 43566-9714 Ferd Heising Phone: 909-780-2023 18431 Stallion Crest Rd, Riverside CA 92504-9670 ======== If you found Ray Zunk, that is my sister-in-law Veryl's niece's husband. I sent it e-mail to my brother and he and Veryl were thrilled to get it. His kids are spread all over the country and remembered U. Ray fondly. No one in Toledo thought to send him a copy. They notified him of the death and that was all. Wife was a Soncrant. Veryl's older sister married "Juke" Cecil Soncrant, whose mother was a Bodi. Didn't anybody in my family marry someone they hadn't known for years????? I should talk, I've known Ken since grade school. Guess you are the only one with imagination enough to marry 'outside the family' Or not.????? I copied the Susor obit for my files. Also, the Earl Widmer. One of Jerome Navarre's daughters, Viola, I think, married a Widmer. That isn't such a common name and I'll see if I can find a connection. Also, he married a Helen Goetz. Will let you know. Bettajoyce ---------- >From: "Marshall Lloyd" >To: >Subject: Re: Clemer La Course >Date: Thu, Jan 25, 2001, 12:27 PM > >Yes, >I took it that the notes were hers. I just thought I would include you in >my response. I did find the Obit at the Blade (no spelling errors) but not >the Article. > >I was prompted to look when you mentioned that you visit Toledo Blade dot >Com once a week and I thought it was a great idea. It was then that I came >across the Susor obit. I noticed a Runk obit as well but my knowlege of >them is sketchy. > >Marshall > ======= From: "Mary Ellen (Claude) Schreiter" To: Marshall Lloyd Date: Thursday - January 25, 2001 10:42 PM Subject: Suzor Reached Mary Spaulding, Christine's sister by telephone. She asked me to forward your E-mail to her which I did. Don't know if you will hear from her or not. Her E-mail is Mcspaulding@30below.com She live on Nebish (Spelling) Island, Michigan. Her address is 18626 So. Mannuhkeke Row, Barbeau, Michigan 49710-9719. Norm passed away in November of 1999. Don't know where the time goes. She travels over the ice now and she goes back and forth to the mainland of Michigan by ferry in warmer weather. She is anxious to get back to Barbeau before the ice breaks up. Thanks loads for bringing Christine's death notice to my attention. ======= Subject: Navarre Posted by: Rima McCallum Message: Hello, the person you want to talk to is my Mom, Patricia. We are descendents of Helen Navarre. My Mother has that line of information. You can contact her at Mbenni2731@aol.com Attention Patricia. ======== Descendants of Alma Navarre 1 Alma Navarre 1904 - 1979 b: December 07, 1904 in Toledo, OH d: October 1979 in Toledo, OH .. +Frank Hahn 1899 - 1981 b: November 06, 1899 d: February 1981 *2nd Husband of Alma Navarre: .. +Clemer La Course Casmir had a son Reuben. ......... 2 Arthur La Course ......... 2 Richard La Course ......... 2 Robert La Course ......... 2 Ruth La Course *3rd Husband of Alma Navarre: .. +Albert Shaneck ......... 2 Albert Shaneck ......... 2 Margaret Shaneck ......... 2 Janet Shaneck *4th Husband of Alma Navarre: Stanley Leganik I had changed Clemer to Casmir because my brother never heard of a Clemer and he knew Casmir. We could be wrong. Milo says Casmir had a son named Reuben that he remembered. I'll have to ask him about the other names. This might jog his memory. Husband Leganik's first name was Stanley. According to the file M.E. Schrieter sent me. Also Casmir and Alma married 14 Dec 1922--M.E. No place named. ======== Marshall, I just got back from the genealogy society here in Des Moines and I found out something very interesting. Peter is actually a son of Moses by some other wife. I found the 1880 census for Lucas County and it lists Moses Purney, 41yo, laborer born in Michigan. Wife Adline, 19yo, daughter Sarne(sp) 15, Peter 13, and Ada 12. All 3 children were born in Ohio. So the Peter in the picture is Peter Purney (Purnia) not Peter Navarre. My mom was told he was a Navarre, but he was a son of Moses Purney. I thought I'd write right away so you are able to change it to Purney Purnia. I also received a copy of Adeline's death certificate. It says she is buried in Willow Cemetery but I spoke with Toledo Memorial Park Cemetery and she is buried there. Also it looks like she was living with a man named Arthur Cluckey and he is listed as the informant on the death cert. She died of Myocardial degeneration, valvular insufficiency. She died on 6/1/1929 @ 11:30pm. She was born on 2/1/1862 in Wyandot, MI. Her father's name was Joseph Boyer and her mother was Eliza Monnett. Both were born in Canada somewhere. Did you get the envelope I sent with the information in it? I sure hope it got there okay. I am eagerly awaiting the information you will be sending me. Take care and again sorry for the miss-information on Peter. Cheryl _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Sorry to hear about your family deaths and problems while traveling. Bummer. I viewed the Julia & Evelyn page and downloaded it. Don't have time right now to delve into it like I want to do. Ditto the Purnia e-mail. Which pic is this that she is talking about? Hurray for the dcs. Maybe there is hope for mine. They haven't cashed the checks as of a week ago when I rec'd my bank statement. I copied a lot from Stan and we may find we didn't need all of them. I am STILL working the Navarre file of his. I divided it into priorities. Mine, prob not anyone elses! I also rec'd a SSDI for a Jennie Onofrio who married James Navarre. Another I have no idea about. Not in your index either and that is far as I went. I want to get this other stuff I'm doing finished. I thought I had all that I had sent for. Copied for you. I have a bad cold and a bad headache with it, so I've been slowed down a bit. And Floyd Chio is doing great with the Chio/Kio family. He's been sending me info every couple days. I have just looked, copied and thanked! He is newer at this than we are and I like to encourage him. In the long run, that will save ME tons of work. Selfish.?? ====== Database: Oregon Death Index, 1903-70 Combined Matches: 1 Bettajoyce ======= Name: Dunn, Navarre James County: Lane Death Date: 24 Mar 1993 Certificate: 93-06733 Spouse: Marie Birth Date: 30 Sep 1904 ======= http://www.ancestry.com/search/rectype/inddbs/4536.htm Toledo, Ohio Directories, 1889-1891 ======= "lactaid@hotmail.com".GWIA.SMS Mail Domain, Cheryl, I had a chance to xerox this morning and hope to get the package off this afternoon after school. I did get a chance to peruse the file you sent. The materials look GREAT!! Thanks a lot. I noticed you had some material from Ancestry.com. Have you subscribed? They also have the military record for David Purnia. http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?srvr=search&DatabaseId=4520&db=ohssm&gsi=113243267&gsfn=&gsln=purnia&gspl=1%2cany+locality&submit=search&gskw=&gsdr=0&prox=0&ti=0&prox=1&gs=purnia&GS=PURNIA and in detail: http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?srvr=search&databaseid=4520&db=ohssm&gsi=113243267&gsfn=&gsln=purnia&gspl=1%2cany+locality&submit=search&gskw=&gsdr=0&prox=0&ti=0&prox=1&gs=purnia&gs=purnia&ct=151629&hc=1 but here is the info: Database: Full Context of Ohio Military Men, 1917-18 Name: David Purnia Serial Number: 3090529 Race: W Residence: 831 Junction Ave., Toledo, O. Enlistment Division: National Army Enlistment Location: Toledo, O. Enlistment Date: 27 May 1918 Birth Place: Toledo, O. Birth Date / Age: 24 Jan 1893 Assigns Comment: 159 Depot Brigade to 15 June 1918; Co K 34 Engineers to Discharge Private American Expeditionary Forces 16 Aug 1918 to 19 July 1919. Honorable discharge 28 July 1919. Volume #: 14 Viewing records 151630-151630 of 248539 ======= Friday, February 02, 2001 This information comes from Stan Bourdo, Curtice, OH. Marriage record for Mary J. Navarre and Charles Samuel Bodi: Toledo, OH Vol 23, p. 465 (8 Nov 1911, Toledo) VIR Births, Lucas Co. and Jerusalem Twp. records for Melvin Their son Melvin Jerome lived and died in CA. (Presumably Mary moved there with them when husband Charles Samuel died.) Mary J. died Granada Hills, CA on 19 June 1988 at age 95. This Mary Navarre is the daughter of Jerome Navarre and Anna Rumery. Granddaughter of Samuel Navarre and Elizabeth Deshelter. This statement has a question mark after it. I think Stan is questioning the DeShelter name. No information on daughter Patricia is given. Toledo Court House records Vol. 102, p. 95; Melvin married Florence Bursmith 11 May 1942. Florence, daughter of Paul Bursmith and Lucille Powell, born 26 Sept 1918. Melvin, born 15 Mar 1914, Jerusalem Twp., Lucas Co. OH (prob. Bono). died 19 Aug 1986, Los Angeles, CA. Melvin and Florence have a son John Melvin, born 25 May 1948, Toledo, OH. P.S. I think this John Bodi is the same one who is doing genealogy on his family. I have his address and it is Antioch, CA. He has picture of Mary J. Navarre on his website. I always have trouble with the site. It just quits on me. If you care to give it a try the password is CUTCHER http://www.zing.com/album/password.html?id=4294805267&pwd=&dest=%2Falbum%2F%3Fid%3D4294805267 Why anyone would put up a family site and then make it inaccessable to the public is a mystery to me. Floyd Chio gave me the address and password. He got it from the site owner, John Bodi. I checked your data and you have her as marrying Charles Bodi. I think her father Jerome Navarre is correct, but his father is in question. Both to Stan and to me. The info I snail mailed yesterday includes both Jeromes and parentage. I started looking in the Bodi file of Stan's today and found the above. So thought I'd send this to you and you can look it over when you get the package. It might make more sense then. Although I got the above info from the Julius Bodi file of Stan's and old Julius made mistakes when filing for his Civil War Pension. He names different children in 1898 and 1915. Some are the same, but birthdates don't match. Julius was a brother of William Bodi who is the father of Joe Chio's wife. Other than the Navarre connection and the Chio connection I don't care about them! So, his other children can stay scrambled. Ha. Ha. Our jumble is more than enough to contend with. Bettajoyce ========== Bettajoyce, Thanks for the info on Bodi. I have great site for California info http://vitals.rootsweb.com/ca/death/search.cgi?surname=Bodi According to the CA death index: BODI, MARY JOSEPHINE b. 11/03/1895 OH mo. maiden RUMMERY father NAVARRE Died: 06/19/1988 LOS ANGELES(19) ss# Security 300-20-9554 DIED at 92 years BODI, MELVIN JEROME B. 03/15/1914 OH mo. maiden NAVARRE father Bodi d.08/19/1986 LOS ANGELES(19) SS# 290-01-6712 at DIED AT 72 years ======= Database: Ohio 1910 Census Miracode Index Paul C Bursmith Age: 37 State: OH Color: W Birth Place: N J County: Lucas, Toledo Wife Ada I 20 Ohio C. Paul BURSMITH Sex: M Birth: 1873 Westfield, Union, New Jersey Father: Nathan BURSMITH Mother: Jennie T. PRAIRIE Nathan BURSMITH Spouse: Jennie T. PRAIRIE Marriage: Abt. 1861 Westfield, Union, New Jersey =========== War of 1812-OHIO-Fremont-Soldiers' Monument. 6 1/4x9", in good condition. XL-just the plate within-a gift from the Fremont Library to the Conn. Hist. Society. Proceedings at the Unveiling of the Soldiers' Monument on the Site of Ft. Stephenson, Fremont, Ohio, Oration by Genl. J.D.Cox, Poem by Capt. A.C.Kemper & Historical Address by Capt. J.M. Lemmon, Fremont, 1885, 123 pages. Map, illus. of Sgt. William Gaines, in uniform, Engravings of Genl. McPherson in uniform, Maj. George Croghan, etc. Nice book & much on War of 1812 & the Civil War-23rd OVI mentioned. No reserve. $3.50, postage. An Original and Authentic 1818 Fifth Edition of Historical Sketches of the Late War Between the United States and Great Britain by John Lewis Thompson ======== Mary Ellen, In response to your message (see below) I have the following on Ervin Ervin Benjamin Susor SS#290-30-8018 b. September 30, 1907 d. December 1972 Toledo OH bur Calvary Cem. sec 6 married Sydonia Henrietta Johnson SS#299-09-0106 b. September 26, 1912 d. August 1977 bur Calvary Cem. sec 6 parents of Ervin/?Erving? son of Fred Suzor and Mary Lucy Navarre father: William J. Susor (Denissen, p. 612 has William Sussior) res. 724 Plymouth St. b. abt. 1862 OH d. July 15, 1932 Lucas Co.; DC Vol 6967, #3492 obit July 16, 1932 Toledo Blade, died at 70 bur. Calvary Cem. sec 4 mother: Anne Archange Knaggs dau. of Isidore Knaggs (1828-1884) and Angele Cousineau b. 1868 MI d. November 17, 1949 Toledo, OH bur. Calvary Cem., Sec 4 siblings of Ervin: Magdelene Susor Cecelia Susor b. February 04, 1903 d. July 27, 1978 bur. Calvary Cem. sec 8 Clarence Isadore Susor b. January 07, 1906 d. March 07, 1996 both Toledo bur. Calvary Cem. sec 37 m. Abt. May 1927 Ruth Catherine Smith Albert William Susor b. September 28, 1909 d. October 29, 1963 bur. Calvary Cem., Sec. 4 m. Irene Klug no info on St. Dennis wife or on the Johnsons. I'll see what I can turn up. regards, Marshall >>> "Mary Ellen (Claude) Schreiter" 02/05/01 08:58AM >>> Somewhere in my records, believe I am missing a generation. Chcristine's father was Erving Suzor, mother Sydonia Johnson. However, Mary Suzor Spaulding could not remember her Grandparents name exactly. What she gave me was William Suzor, she thinks his first wife was a St. Dennis and his second wife was Annie Knaggs?? On her mothers side her grandfather was Joseph Johnson and her Grandmother was Christina Keller. Greatgrandparents on either side, she had no knowledge. She was flabergasted about how you had the info so quickly. Does the above fit into your records and if yo have more, please let me know. Thanks for sending that obit. Did get to see her and talk to Mary before she went back to Nebisch Island (spelling??). clmesch ======= Monday, February 05, 2001 You wrote about Sydonia Johnson's parents: "On her mothers side her grandfather was Joseph Johnson and her Grandmother was Christina Keller." I looked on ancestry.com and think I have found Sydonia's family. She was born September 26, 1912 so was not in the 1910 census. I find most convincing that she had a brother ERWIN likely namesake for our Ervin [I'm sticking with Ervin not Erving for now]. I have added the abt. dates. Database: Ohio 1910 Census Miracode Index Joseph L Johnson Age: 44 State: OH [so abt. 1866] Color: W Enumeration District: 0113 Birth Place: Ohio Visit: 0057 County: Lucas, Toledo Relation: Head of Household Other Residents: Wife Christina 41 Ohio [so b. abt. 1869] Dau. Estella 20 Ohio [b. abt. 1890] Dau. Loretta 16 Ohio [abt. 1894] Son Erwin 13 Ohio [abt. 1897] Son Melvin 09 Ohio [abt. 1901] Dau. Thelma 07 Ohio [abt. 1903] Dau. Irene 04 Ohio [abt. 1906] ========== http://envoy.libofmich.lib.mi.us/1870_census/RollPages.asp?roll=691 roll 691 p 261 only 1 Isadore listed 1870 census Monroe Co., MI; all born MI: Isadore Knaggs 42 M W farmer Adelia 38 F W keeping house Richard 11 M W at home Rosilia 9 F W Rosaline 5 F W Levi 6? M W -----------------261R Denny 4? M W Ellen 3 F W Arcon 2 F W Joel 1/12? M W ======= Subject: Susor/Suzor Creation Date: 2/5/01 7:35PM From: "Mary Ellen (Claude) Schreiter" Thanks loads for all the info. Thanks again for bringing Christine's death notice to our attention. Mary Susor's in-laws have been close friends of our since approximately 1940 and they knew Claude before that as he helped her father-in-law on a milk run when he was in high school. Small, small world. Claude is also related to the LaCourses. His Great Grandfather was a LaCourse. Unless I have this under my fingernail his wife was a full blooded Ottawa Indian. She had been adopted by a LaCourse family and eventually married one of them. All Claude's mother knew, was they called him 'Blackie". However, I can not get anymore information on GGM LaCourse than what his mother told us before she died. Another Greatgrandmother was Julia Cutcher and I can't remember right now who she married. Jan. 4 E-mail - Alma Navarre - Clemer LaCourse - Richard LaCourse B: Octoberr 8, 1925 D: March 10, 1947, Toledo, Lucas County, OH. Alma's 4th husband may have been Stanley Leganik B: May 1, 1899 D: December 1967, Toledo, Lucas County, OH. Under SS they both had the same zip code address. Just a surmise - Ruth Catherine Smith, wife of Clarence Isadore Susor may have been born Feb. 4, 1903 D: July 1978, Toledo, Lucas County, Ohio. Forgot to note her SS #. Going to have to take a break on Geni as I have to have our tax info ready for accountant by 7th March along with everything else we do and they are starting to run tests on Claude tomorrow morning. So geni has to take a back seat. Thanks again. If you come to Toledo, please call. 536-7683. clmesch "Just a surmise - Ruth Catherine Smith, wife of Clarence Isadore Susor may have been born Feb. 4, 1903 D: July 1978, Toledo, Lucas County, Ohio. Forgot to note her SS #." mlloyd to clmesch according to her gdaughter Michelle Lynn (Susor) Grindle Ruth Catherine (Smith) Susor b. April 09, 1906 d. March 10, 1996 bur. March 11, 1996 Calvary Cem. sec 37 m. Clarence Isadore Susor abt. Abt. May 1927 ss#284-50-5299 ====== http://war1812.tripod.com/usmusk.html U.S. Model 1795 Musket, .69 Calibre Commonly called the "Springfield musket," this was the standard long arm of the American infantry during the wa and derived from a French weapon supplied during the revolutionary war. During thew War of 1812, contracts were let out to private manufactuers such as Eli Whitney who manufactured this particular weapon in 1812. American weapons production was impressive. It is estimated that by 1814 about thirty thousand muskets were being produced annually in the United States. U.S. Model 1795 Musket, .69 Calibre This particular weapon was manufactered by the government armoury at Springfield in 1809. Firing a lighter and smaller ball than it's British counterpart, the Springfield had less hitting power. The enlargement shows details of the ignition system. The screw clamp jaws of the cock held a flint that, when the trigger was pulled, was brought into contact with the frizzen, a hinged piece of steel (here shown in the open postion) striking sparks that ignited the powder in the pan (between the cock and the frizzen) that set off the charge in the barrel by means of the vent hole (not shown). X-Ray of U.S. musket with "Buck and Ball" "X-Ray" of a U.S. Musket with "Buck and Ball" Round This X-Ray shows the interior of an American musket found in the 1970's near the site of the Battle of Chateauguay in Lower Canada (Quebec). Thrown away during the American retreat, it is still loaded with "buck and ball" (a musket ball and three buck shot). Used extensively by U.S. troops during the war, this type of projectile inflicted far less serious wounds than the normal musket ball. ===== Subject: Arquette Creation Date: 2/8/01 10:27AM From: "bettajoyce chio" Did you find the Arquette connection? Stan has: Rilla Navarre, daughter of Russell B. Navarre and Elizabeth Hilbert married Clarence Arguette, son of Charles Arquette and Julia Pette on 3 Feb 1910. Vol. 21, p. 296 Toledo, OH Marriage Records. Rilla, b. 25 Aug 1891, Toledo Clarence, 21 at time of marriage, b. Toledo. These born Toledo often mean Lucas Co., not necessarily in the city. I've picked up a few more things to send you from his files, but you had said you were working on Arquette and thought you might want it sooner. Don't know WHEN I'll finish up these odds and ends. Did you get the package I sent last week? ========== Bettajoyce RUSSELL NAVARRE SSN 292-03-4265 Residence: Ohio Born 18 Apr 1894 Died Dec 1964 Issued: OH (Before 1951) Certificate Number: 92759 Volume Number: 17905 Sex: Male Race: White Name: NAVARRE, RUSSELL B County of Death: Lucas County City of Death: Toledo County of Residence: Lucas County City of Residence: Toledo Date of Death: December 26, 1964 Age of Death: 70 Years Marital Status: Married Charles A Arquette Age: 31 State: OH Color: W Enumeration District: 0055 Birth Place: Ohio Visit: 0043 County: Lucas, Toledo Relation: Head of Household Other Residents: Wife Minnie E 31 Kansas Daughter Naomie V 11 Ohio Son Russel C 09 Ohio Son Lester 05 Ohio Son Clifford 04 Ohio ===== From: "Hamilton Home" To: Marshall Lloyd Date: Saturday - February 10, 2001 5:41 PM Subject: Purnias of Toledo I am related to: Francis Xavier Purnia b.September 1833 in OH d. November 08, 1886 MI. I don't go back any further on this line. Do you have information about Francis in your database or are you related? Thanks, Emily ======== Hi Marshall, It is John Bodi, we seem to be having a challenge connecting on the telephone. I would have been happy to return you call if I had a contact number. In the future if you want to connect with me you might want to try my Cell phone 818-266-7397. I am interested in what you believe to be a connection through Mary Navarre my Grandmother. Lets get some sort of email exchange going. I will be happy to share what I have. It is very limited on the Navarre family side. I have done much more extensive research into the Bodi line. Also let me know if you have any online instant messaging service such as ICQ or MSN Messenger or AOL IM. I have a few of them and we can chat in real time some time. Thanks for looking me up, John Bodi ------- John, Thanks for contacting me. I left you my e-mail address because I didn't want to presume to make you pay for a long distance call to someone you don't know. I would be delighted to talk. I'm home most evenings by 6:30. Since you are in California and the time zone is different past 9 PM is also a great time as my daughter is in bed by then. Yes, I'm interested in the Navarre families of Toledo and believe we can link our families. Of course all Toledo Navarres are ultimately descended from Robert de Navarre of Detroit. [1. Robert de Navarre 2. Francis (Hutreau) Navarre 3. Robert H. 4. Robert R. 5. William 6. Rachael 7. Robert Lloyd 8. Marshall Lloyd] and also from their cousin Robert T. Navarre [1. Robert de Navarre 2. Robert, Jr. 3. Robert III 4. Robert IV 5. Maria 6. William 7. Rachael 8. Robert Lloyd 9. Marshall Lloyd]. Robert H. Navarre was a scout of the war of 1812 and the brother of Peter Navarre of Toledo fame. Navarre Park in Toledo is named for Peter AND Robert. I am working on a Navarre website and would love your input/info etc. http://www.mlloyd.org regards, Marshall ------ Edited by Harvey Scribner Memoirs Of Lucas County And The City Of Toledo From The Earliest Historical Times Down To The Present, Including A Genealogical And Biographical Record Of Representative Families. Madison: Western Historical Association, 1910. Two volumes 4to (10 1/4" x 7 1/4"), 626 and 685 pages. Half leather [leather spine and corners] & cloth boards, marbled edges and endpapers. Many portraits. Torn at top of spine of Vol. II but neatly repaired, slightly worn, else Very Good or better condition. ======== Stan is back. He was hospitalized for a heart problem while in Phoenix and flew home for his own doctors. He is still having some chest pain, but feels better. He said to take my time with the files. He LOVED the 'picture book', but has a question about Isadore. He says he doesn't think Peter Navarre had a son named Isadore or Isidore. I looked in my file and I don't have one either. I wondered if you could tell me if you have any other info than the picture gallery at the Toledo Lib. There is an Isadore on the Civil War vets. list, but there is no parent info on those. I told him I would try to find out from you, as that is where the picture came from. I see in your family file for this Isadore that he is a dead end. Maybe partly because he is in the wrong place. The closest to his birthdate of abt 1840 in your file is Isadore, b. 2 Mar 1857. He looks pretty young in the picture. Maybe the lib. got it mixed up. HELP!!!!!! I near panicked when I couldn't find ANY of the pics of the brothers. Then I remembered you said you had redone the Navarre file and I looked more closely and saw the FILE. Opened it and there was everybody! Hurray!! The coin must be beautiful. I copied that for him, also. He was eager to know if I had anything he didn't and was very pleased when I told him yes, and that I copied it all for him, including Chio, Perry, Bodi and Morrison. I want to get it all back to him next week so he will have something to do while he isn't feeling well. I copied some more from his files for you and will send it to you when I am finished. No OH dcs yet. I was hoping at least some would come before I sent this latest pkg. to you. But then you must be busy planning for your trip and all. Later..... ====== Stan and Marshall, St. Louis Church records show: Peter Navarre, The Scout and Genevieve Robert (d. 25 Feb 1827) Infant, b. 17 Feb 1827, d. 19 Feb 1927 ------------- Peter and Catherine Bourdeau Peter, b. 1831; d. May 1901, @ Home of Little Sisters of the Poor Jacques Pierre, b. Dec 1832; d. 26 Feb 1912, Toledo Daniel, b. 1835; d. 1 Apr 1912, @ Sandusky Eli, b. 1837; d. 17 Sept. 1924, Toledo Oliver Benjamin, b. 21 Sept 1839 d. 9 Nov 1925, Toledo Lambert, b. 26 Jun 1844; d. 14 Dec 1915 daughters: Zon, b. 1842 Susan, b. 1846 Mary, m. -Nadeau (No other information) =================================================================== I think it strange that they would have all their other children bap. there and not Isadore. The above would give Oliver Benjamin five brothers as it states in his obit. All died before 1925 as stated in the obit. I think it probable that the Toledo Lib made a mistake. Fassett Book: None of my 1850 Census records have names other than the Head of Household. I think Josie Fassett just filled in the names she thought were correct. She has six sons, no Isadore. In your census, Zoar is prob. supposed to be Zon, who was female. What do you think? RE plate: That may be the plate they gave all of us who attended that French/American workshop in Monroe a few years ago. Mine is blue on white. What color is yours? There is a Peter C 3 OH Cav appl 479610 cert. 904696 OHIO 1888 Apr 10 Surname Given Name Middle Initial Company Unit Rank - Induction Rank - Discharge Notes Box # Extraction # Record # Allegiance Navarre Peter C 3 Ohio Cavalry. Private Private 552 79 614 Union Navorre Peter C 3 Ohio Cavalry. Private Private Navarre Peter 552 79 Bettajoyce ---------- Bettajoyce
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Served Ohio Enlisted C Co. 3rd Cav Reg. OH disch disability on 25 March 1863
Source: Official Roster of the Soldiers of the State of Ohio
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a Peter Navarre enlisted 23 August 1861 in C Co. 3rd Cav. Reg. OH at 30 years of age. This should be Peter Jr. [Born 1831] and so he would make the fifth vet. There is a strong possibility that he is the "Mr. Navarre" portrait I have yet to identify. ===== "Virginia B. Elliott" I am trying to trace my ancestors: Mother-born Maude Ellen Jacobs (as adult changed Maude to Helen. Her parents were David Jacobs and Archangel Manor. My father was David Gordon Underwood, his father William Underwood, a baptist minister and principal of a highschool in Fulton Kentucky. Maude (Helen) and David Gordon, aka Don, were married in either Toledo Ohio or eloped to Kansas City Mo. in either 1918 or 1919. I was born in Kansas City in 1919. My mother's family were of French descent, Manors, Druilliards, Cousinos, and there was an American Indian Great Gr GR grandmother way back and all were releated ins ome way to the Fur traders. Peter Navarre, in whose memory Navaarre Park in Toledo Ohio was also an ancestor on the French side. I was married in 1936 in Toledo at Trinity Eiscopal Church to Arthur Harold Stadler. Divorced him in Florida, 1954 ======= My mother was the daughter of Archangel Manor and David Jacobs. My mother was christened Maude Ellen but as an adult changed it to Helen Maude. I was taken to Navarre Park inToledo often to see the cabin and was told always that he was an ancestor. Helen Maude Maude Ellen) married David Gordon Underwood,(my father) and I am trying to trace my geneology. Have been told my french grandparents were decendents of fur traders and somehow there was other Indian blood which "seeped" in during the north west passage caper. So far I am ot able to get anywhere wit this. I appreciate all the help you can give. Thank you. Virginia Elliott Trying to trace family as far back as possible. Archangel Manor married David Jacobs and their daughter Maude Ellen was my mother. She married David Gordon Underwood who was my father. I was born in Kansas City but do not know if they married inToledo Ohio or in Kansas City Mo as I was born in Kanss city in 1919. The Manors were of French descent and related to many Druilliards, Pelke, and oone or two of the men who were fur traders and then joined the Lewis and Clarke expedition to the west. Peter Navarre, for whom a park in Toledo ws named wasalso n ancestor. The family worshiped at the old St. Frances De Sales Catholic church on Cherry St. in Toledo Ohio. The Catterettes, also were in this extended family. Clara GErtrude,,,,, my aunt and Emil my uncle were also children of Archangel and David Jacobs. My father's people were from Kentucky, my paternal grandfather, William Underwood, was a baptist minister in Fulton Kentucky and also school principal Thank you for any help. Please e mail me any contacts. JACOBS DAVID County Name: LUCAS Date of Death: 1/9/1933 Volume Number: 7117 Certificate Number: 4343 ===== Surnames: COURCHAINE, ROGERS Researcher: Bill Cooley Email: spade@northlink.com Date posted: Tuesday, April 6, 1999 Seeking descendants of James B. ROGERS who married Belle COURCHAINE in 1880 in Port Clinton, Ottawa County. He was of Catawba Island, she of Port Clinton. According to the wedding announcement, they were to settle in Bismarck, Huron County. Both are buried in Lakeview Cemetery in Port Clinton. He died in 1928, she in 1945. ======= Good thought on Susan. I've never been able to figure out WHY an umarried woman would live her adult life in Havanna. You call tell where my mind hides. After hearing about "Rose", I had thought maybe she had gone into the same profession. But, since no one ever asked, I didn't express my idea! It seemed unkind to do so. Stan has her in Puerto Rico at one time. Don't know where he got that from. He also has her in Cuba. So the nun theory works better with that. I've NEVER found anything about her. One might think the Navarres would have been proud of her work as a missionary and talked about it. I don't have a death date for her, either. Also, wonder why the St. Louis Cath. Church records don't mention it. They just say lived in Havana, Cuba. If she joined an organized order, it would be on the records of the church of bap., just like confirmation and marriage records are sent back to the place of bap. (Learned that from working as Rel. Ed. Dir. for a local parish.) My priest friend that I could ask is going in for cancer surgery, and I don't want to bother him just now. But, later I'll ask him how to go about tracing things like that in the church. I suppose first, find out from the archdiocese which female orders were IN the area at that time, and THEN find their mother house addresses and write to them. St. Louis records say she lived in Detroit MI and Havana. So maybe an order that was in Toledo and Detroit at the same time. Or, she could have gone to Detroit for postulancy and novitiate and was sent to Cuba after she took permanant orders. Oh, my, something else for me to think about. Darn you!!! Putting ideas in my head. Ha. Ha. Think I'll wait for Francis to get better!!! Isadore looks Navarre, but not the same look as the rest. Yes, he might have indian blood. Esp. the cheekbones. A littler aside.-- My dad always took on color of an American Indian when he had a tan. That deep bronze/red color. My mother always said it was because of the Navarre background. They kept marrying 'those indians', and to her that wasn't good! Also he liked to eat muskrat. She had a special pot she cooked it in and always outside. Smelled too bad, and the flavor got into the cooking pot (It had to be an iron pot, my dad said) and wouldn't wash out! Poor mom. I enjoyed the ham section and THAT really ticked off my mom! You're JUST LIKE YOUR FATHER! But she made him crack the head AFTER everyone else left the table. That was too much even for me. Ha. Ha. My old french heritage goes just SO far!! Have a good weekend. Bettajoyce ========= From: "Mary Ellen (Claude) Schreiter" To: CC: Marshall Lloyd Date: Sunday - February 18, 2001 5:16 PM Subject: Debbie Lacourse Had subject listed as Debra. Thanks for info on LaCourse. Have something different on some of the people. Received some of my info from Harold Arquette who is deceased. His widow, Mary Ann, is currently President of the Toledo-Lucas County Geneology Society. Her last name was Shea. Joseph LaCourse married Mary Jo Arquette. Joseph LaCourse's sister Rose who married Samuel Wolfe was Claude's Great-grandmother. His Grandfather on his Mothers side was Philip Wolfe. With info you gave me, think I have located Ruth Evelyn Navarre Kuhn Chamberlain's son, Leo. Understand he is a minister but she could not tell me the denomination, evidently not Catholic. There is a Leo G. Kuhn at 2535 St. Rt. 131, Hillsboro, OH 45133 and phone listed on my disc, if not changed, was 937-288-2442. ====== WOW! Glad I was on the right track. Ruth does not hear well at all and seemed reluctant to give me names of the children. She tells me when they visit but that is all. She said her daughter would get upset with her. Had along E-mail all type for you with gobs of info and it is floating around somewhere in outerspace. Have tried everything to locate -NO luck. Following from Harold Arquette's geni of the LaCourse Family. Joseph LaCourse B: 1870, D: April 27, 1949, married Mary Jo Arquette B: May 21, 1859, D: Feb. 9, 1935 Jer Twsp, LU, OH. B: St. Ignatiues Cemetery, Oregon, LU, OH. Children: Clemer and Leo LaCourse. Clemer LaCourse B: February 28, 1885 Jer Twp, LU, OH, D: Nov 24, 1961 Jer Twp, LU OH. Buried St. Ignatius Cemetery, Oregon, LU, OH. Wife #1 Unknown. Children: Arthur B: Nov. 15 1923 Jer Twp, LU, OH; Richard Francis B: Oct 8, 1925, D: March 10, 1997; Robert B: April 26, 1928; Mary Ellen LaCourse B: Dec. 10, 1930. All children were born in Jer Twp, Lu, OH. Wife #2 Alma Navarre B: Dec. 7, 1904 m: Dec. 14, 1922. Child: Reuben (Ruben). Really think the children listed previously could have been Alma's as they were married in 1922 but that is not how he has them listed. Wife #3 Catherine Bosom B: Aug. 5, 1983. Child: Bessie LaCourse B: Dec. 30, 1902??? Wife #4 Unknown. Cjild: Ruth Evelyn LaCourse B: Dec. 10, 1930. Something seems strange. Looks like Mary Ellen LaCourse and Ruth Evelyn LaCourse, both born Dec. 10, 1930 are twins but Harold does not have them listed that way. Has two different mothers. Clemer's brother Leo LaCourse B: April 10, 1896. D: FEb. 1, 1984. Buried St. Ignatius Cemetery. Wife #1 Laura Mae Spurgeon B: April 10, 1897 Henry Cty, OH, D: Aug 27, 1987 LU, OH. M: May 8, 1920. Children: Pearl, Florence, Elsie Jane, Jim, Joseph, August John, Mary Helen, Celeste Clara and Philiss Christine LaCourse. Wife #2 Unknown. Child: Edna LaCourse B: Nov. 10, 1924, D: July 28, 1926, Bur: Willow Cemetery, Oregon, LU, OH. Wife #3 Unknown. Children: Katherine Pearl and Augusten James B: Jan. 4, 1931, Jer Twp, LU, OH. Looks like Leo was married to more than one at a time by birth dates that are listed. Orval LaCourse B: FEb. 2, 1908 Bono, LU, OH. Buried Elliston Cemetery, Elliston, Ottawa Cty, OH. Wife #1 Unknown. Child: Sally Ann LaCourse B: & D: April 2, 1940, Bono, LU,OH. Wife #2 Doris Mae Navarre B: 1922 Jer. Twp, LU, OH. Jane Harriet LaCourse B: March 22, 1922 Jer Twp, LU, OH M: Theodore Navarre, B: 1919 in Jer Twp, LU, OH. Child: Margie Mabel Navarre B: Sept. 29, 1940 Jer Twp, LU, OH. Pearl Marie Cutcher M: Alfred C. Arquette B: 1889 Jer Twsp, LU, OH - D: Sept. 25, 1963 TOL, LU, OH. Bur: St. Ignatius Cemetery. Children: Harold S, Lester, Robert Vincent, Dolores Ernestine, Helen Theresa, Kenneth Ralph Arquette. Robert Vincent B: Feb. 6, 1925 - Kille June 20, 1945, Okinawa, WW II. Following is on the gentleman that gave me the LaCourse research, Harold S. Arquette, B: June 20, 1920, LU, OH - D: Aug 10, 1998. M: Mary Ann Shea Aug. 8, 1947, Rosary Cathedral, TOL, LU,OH. She was B: May 14. 1921. She is a very lovely and active lady in many organizations. Childred: Robert Vincent II, John Francis, James Andrew and Catherine M. Arquette. Harold did fourteen or fifteen generations to the best of his knowledge going back to the 1500's. Above info may be more than you wanted but thought maybe Bettajoyce would like also. All for now. clmesch Forgot, is it alright to give your E-Mail address to Mary Ann Arquette. She probably could help you more on the Navarre/Arquette questions. You show Julia Pette, could that be Julia Perry or Julia Petee?? Will see if I can find anything in OJHS files. clmesch ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 1:37 AM Subject: Re: LaCourse/Arquette...My response 2/21/01 Easiest way to get her answer to you. Hopefully she will find someone to give you info you desire. clmesch > Hi Mary Ellen... > > Well, will wonders never cease!!! I got your message a minute ago. I don't > think I know about some of the names...but tell you what...It's 1:23 a.m., > and I need to get to bed so I can get to a funeral tomorrow morning (friend). > I'm crazy busy till the end of the week...then I'll put my attention to > these names. Pearl Cutcher was Hut's mother, of-course. His dad was Alfred > Clarence Arq. But a Charles...and a Julia Pette? etc... and Rosalia Arq and > Jas. Navarre...I don't know of them in this relationship...but remember, I'm > really a Shea, Arq. only by marriage...so maybe these people are in there > some place. I'll see what I can find out next week by contacting some of the > relatives. > > In the meantime, tell the gentleman I'll look into it...and will be willing > to contact him,,,but I have to make inquiries first. No sense just saying > hello and I don't know. I'm just sorry that Hut isn't here to get the various > connections..LaCourse, etc. and the rest of it. We are too late smart, > and too soon dead when it comes to the genealogy, right! One of Hut's > cousins, Earl Cousino, who has been doing the genealogy by computer (belonged > to that group) had a stroke and is now deaf, as well as weak, walks in house > with a walker, etc. I hope to go see him (lives on Arquette Road) in a week > or 2. His wife is fine, but she's orig. a Fassett, so she may not have any > info...although they and we used to go to libraries together (Elmore, Monroe). > > Oh my, 1:35 a.m. Gotta go. Thanks so much for your info. One thing sure leads > to another, doesn't it? Mary Ann > 2:48 PM 2/21/2001 1:27 PM 2/22/2001 In posting LaCourse info from Harold Arquette, found that Claude and he are 3rd cousins. Small, small world. Let Mary Ann know and she is as much surprised as I was. It goes back to Rose and George LaCourse who were brother and sister. 9:25 AM 2/23/2001 Subject: Sandra Belkofer Creation Date: 2/22/01 10:59PM From: "Mary Ellen (Claude) Schreiter" Was at Oregon Jerusalem Historical Society this afternoon. Above lady was researching info on David Navarre who was a witness in a murder trial apparently sometime in the 1800's. One man that served on the jury was Isaac Woodward who died in 1904, that is how I have come up with the date. Don't know if any the following names will ring any bells but she is looking for info on Joseph Chevalier and daughters Capatola and Lillian who may have married a Bryon Deer (Dear/) Alyolyrus Schebeck, Fritz Nopper, Belkofer, William Myers and Laura May Ireland Benore. She said she had just ran into your web site on the Navarres and was going to try and contact you. Her E-mail is sabelkofer@accesstoledo.com With what I have told you maybe you can contact her with info. Talked to Larry Michaels tonight but he said he didn't know anything about a murder, David Navarre or Isaac Woodward being on the jury. Sandra A. Belkofer's phone is 419-882-3091. Think you are right about mothers and children get mixed up. I have given credit to Alms for at least four including the ones that appear to be twins because of their marriage date. 1:05 PM 2/23/2001 Mary Ann Navarre wife of Louis J. Navarre b. 1862 NOT 1882 Creation Date: 2/23/01 12:31PM From: Marshall Lloyd A friend has sent me the DC for Mary Ann. She was born to Oliver Poupard in Sandy Creek MI. She was prob. born July 7 of 1862. The cert has 1882 but the math is bad. According to the same certificate, she was 64 at time of her death on Feb 23 1926 making DOB 1862 not 1882. Also the other date would have put her at 10 when some of her children were born in 1892. regards, Marshall 1870 US Census Michigan Frenchtown Township, in the County of Monroe, State of Michigan, enumerated 26 July, 1870. PO Monroe City MI Roll 691 PAGE 291 http://epiphyte.libofmich.lib.mi.us/CensusImages/Roll691/291.pdf 43/43 Poupard, Oliver 47 M W Farmer b. Michigan Pauline 38 M W Keeping house b. Ohio Festus 15 M W at home b. Michigan Alexandrine 11 F W at home b. Michigan Benajamin 10 M W at home b. Michigan Mary 8 F W at home b. Michigan Andrew 6 M W at home b. Michigan Napoleon 3 M W at home b. Michigan 2:47 PM 2/23/2001 Subject = Email from SMS Web Faculty Profile sender's name = Jean Nicholson e-mail address = Message = In connection with the 300th b'day of Detroit, my brother and I are trying to put together a history of the descendents of Robert Navarre who came to Detroit in 1929-1930 and was the first magistrate. We are direct descendents of Robert. The Detroit 300 society will put our information in booklet form to be added to the Burton Historical collection. Some of the pix in your collection we already had and some we did not - thanx for this page! Would appreciate any info you may give us. ====== Posted by: Patrick Tucker Message: I would check Monroe, MI, records (Ellis Library). Francois Marie Navarre dit Hutreau and Francois Navarre dit Tichigoy lived on the River Raisin ca. 1785. Hutreau's descendants are the Navarres of Toledo or Lucas County area. Hubert LaCroix and descendants also lived on River Raisin. St. Antoine Parish Records contain baptismal, marriage, and death records of Many Navarres and LaCroixs. ----\ From: "bettajoyce chio" To: Marshall Lloyd Date: Friday - February 23, 2001 3:28 PM Subject: Aunt Mary Navarre Mime.822 (2333 bytes) [View] [Save As] I found it yesterday when I was copying the Victoria Cadaract page for Stan. He has Mary Ann Cadoret and V. Cadaract as the same person. He mentioned it when we took the files back and I promised him some proof that they really were two women. And there was A. Mary's page. I LOVE the pic of her as a young woman. Of course I got side tracked and had to copy it. YOU ARE BAD. You deter me from my work!!! She was the only one from the family that I REALLY remember. Guess my dad must have liked her. Some of the others we'd see once in a while, but we were a reg. to her place. And of course her son Gardner used to visit us. He lived close by in Curtice. I mailed the additional info to Stan today. He said how can M.A. be the wife of Francis AND Alexander? He was confusing the spelling on the last names. Easy to do. He had no dates to work with. I had supplied him with that, but as he hadn't had a chance to look at the additions I took to him, he was still questioning. The corrections I had for John Bodi were for the Chio family. Donna Rae in particular. Do you still want them? Happy to send them to you. Just didn't want you to think you were getting Bodi info. I have taken just what I need from the Bodi files to fill in the Bodi's that my work encompasses. They are another huge family and I don't want to get too involved with it. Takes time away from my own families. Thanks for the other info today. I'm so far behind I may never catch up. Still have to file all the info I copied from Stan. Al least it is in the computer. Bye for now. Bettajoyce 10:34 PM 3/18/01 Greetings and best wishes to you all. I am honored to stumble across your website and post the following inquiry. I am looking for any information on any Navarres who married into the Potawatomi tribe. One of my ancestors was named MARY ELIZABETH GREEN or MARY ELIZABETH NAVARRE. I am not exactly sure what was the deal, but I do know that the name NAVARRE shows up somewhere in my family tree. The ancestors come from either Kansas City MO, Cheyenne WY, or Denver CO. If anyone out there can steer me in the right place, I'd be much oblidged. Maybe I'll take you out to dinner or something! Respectfully, V. Blanchard Singingeagle Department of English University of South Dakota Vermillion, SD 57069 ===== Hello I am searching for Hank Whitty my husbands grandfather, He died62 yrs ago at a ripe old age, His granmother maiden name Navarre had passed away more than 66 years ago. looking for all and any info on these 2 people and brothers sisters etc please email me at bog breeze@aol.com ========= 4:29 PM 3/20/01 Welcome Home!! I found her inquiry on the Navarre Message Board and forwarded some info to her. She was looking for Elizabeth Navarre who married Henry Witty. I gave her the direct ancestors back to Robert1. Thought that would give her something to work with. I also gave her your Home Page address and French Families book title. Frederick is on the census info as a nephew. That is who she is referring to. I had included my notes for J. D. Navarre in my e-mail. ---------- From: Bogbreeze@aol.com To: bettacj@globalbiz.net Subject: Re: Elizabeth Navarre Date: Sun, Mar 11, 2001, 9:54 PM Thank you Leona (Mimi) was my husbands mother died 1981 Toledo age 81 or 82 . married by 2 1st husband Cole died trying to race a train? then married Robert John Neal 3 children Lois deceased Berlyn Keith and Carrie, Keith is my husband We have lost over the years all the family history He can remember Pipi or his grandfather vaguely Leona also had 2 older sisters Mabel married name Ackerman and Pansy married name Bradley Frederick Navarre (nephew) he doesnt remember, He never saw or heard very much about him. His mother always told him he was adopted ????? bears checking out some more . Hope this helps you a little We really appreciate your help Keith and Nancy Neal 6:38 PM 3/24/01 ----- From: "bettajoyce chio" To: Marshall Lloyd Date: Saturday - March 24, 2001 9:50 AM Subject: Hi Mime.822 (1929 bytes) [View] [Save As] Got Celia and revised. Thank you. Today I am sending for a copy of the SS-5s for Naarre, Clayton; Ralph; Albert; Leila; Brenda. Faneuff, Barbara. Last week I also sent for copies of 5 dc on your list. I've misplaced that file and don't know the names off hand! I still don't know who Matthew Michael Navarre is. That is the obit I forwarded via e-mail to you. My computer room was in such a mess after doing Stan's files that I cleaned and rearranged the shelves. And I STILL can't find stuff. But it is all there--somewhere. I am in the process of labeling the shelves and will find it dc list eventually. I sent a file to Nancy Neal (looking for Witty/Navarre on the Navarre message board) in TX. She should have gotten it by now, but I haven't heard from her. I gave her your Home Page address. Don't know if she followed up on it. I sent blank sheets for her to fill in on Keith's (her husband) mother, Leona Witty Neal and other info. If she answers, I'll pass the info on to you. If she should contact you would you please let me know? Hope you are getting adjusted to ho hum life after all your traveling. How was Greece? Have you been there before? Got to leave and go babysitting. Later-- Bettajoyce 7:03 PM 3/24/01 shed: Mar 18, 2001 You have been sent this message from Bettajoyce as a courtesy of toledoblade.com. You mentioned Kay Ginn sent info on Cecelia Navarre. This mentions a Gerald Ginn. Any connection? Since this is a Williams????? To view the contents on toledoblade.com, go to: http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/dclassifieds?Dato=20010318&Kategori=CLOBITUARIES&Type=CAT0360&Lopenr=3752800 Regards, Bettajoyce Marjorie Elizabeth Williams Marjorie Elizabeth Williams, 73, passed away peacefully on March 13, 2001. She is preceded in death by her parents, Ben J. Williams and Ora Lee Smith, and stepfather, James R. Smith. Also preceding her in death were brother, John, and son, Stephen. She worked at Rossford and Erie Ordnance Army Depots. She also worked for the Lucas County Department of Human Resources, retiring in 1992 after 25 years of service. Cherishing her memory are her son, Kimm (Portia) of Toledo; daughter, Janis Matthews (Jeff) of Carrollton, TX; grandchildren, Lanette Ginn, Kimesha and Corey Williams, Jeff McKinley (Jennifer), Jordon, Jamaal and Jared Matthews, and great grandson, Gerald Ginn. Also surviving are brothers, Joseph Williams (Henrietta) of Tustin, CA, Ben Williams (Rose) of Glendale, AZ, and Mabel King (Herbert) of Toledo. She will also be missed by many aunts, cousins, nieces, nephews, and a host of close friends, especially the "Lunch Bunch". Viewing Sunday, March 18, 2001, from 2-5 p.m. at Dale Funeral Home, 572 Nebraska. Wake Monday at 11 a.m. followed by the funeral at 12 Noon at Phillips Temple CME Church, 565 Palmwood. -------- 3:00 PM 4/1/01 Courchaine info: Prob. desc. of Sieur Jacques Brisset dit Courchesne Database: Civil War Pension Index http://www.ancestry.com/search/rectype/inddbs/4654.htm Daniel B. Courchaine State Filed: Ohio Widow: Ida Courchaine Felix H. Courchaine State Filed: Ohio Widow: Mary Courchaine Source Information: National Archives and Records Administration. Civil War Pension Index. [database online] Provo, UT: Ancestry.com, 2000. Data indexed and imaged from National Archives and Records Administration. General Index to Pension Files, 1861-1934. T288, 544 rolls. Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration. ------------ Database: Ohio Military Men, 1917-18 http://www.ancestry.com/search/rectype/inddbs/4520.htm Name: Lewis A. Courchaine Serial Number: 2897009 Race: W Residence: 104 Monroe St., Port Clinton, O. Enlistment Division: National Army Enlistment Location: Ottawa Co, O. Enlistment Date: 24 May 1918 Birth Place: Port Clinton, O. Birth Date / Age: 1 June 1893 Assigns Comment: 159 Depot Brigade to 16 June 1918; Co D 114 Engineers to Discharge Private Meuse-Argonne. American Expeditionary Forces 22 Aug 1918 to 2 May 1919. Honorable discharge 21 May 1919. Volume #: 4 Viewing records 36973-36973 of 248539 Source Information: Ancestry.com. Ohio Military Men, 1917-18. [database on-line] Provo, UT: Ancestry.com, 2000. Original data from: Official Roster of Ohio Soldiers, Sailors and Marines in the World War, 1917-1918, Volumes I-XXIII. Columbus, OH: F. J. Heer Printing Co., 1926. Database: Ohio Deaths, 1958-69 http://www.ancestry.com/search/rectype/inddbs/3221.htm DCertificate Number: 55617 Volume Number: 18143 Sex: Male Race: White Name: COURCHAINE, LEWIS A County of Death: Ottawa County City of Death: Port Clinton County of Residence: Ottawa County City of Residence: Port Clinton Date of Death: July 09, 1965 Age of Death: 72 Years Marital Status: Divorced SSDI LEWIS COURCHAINE SSN 299-14-0200 Residence: Ohio Born 1 Jun 1893 Died Jul 1965 Issued: OH (Before 1951) ----------------- Database: Ohio Marriages, 1803-1900 http://www.ancestry.com/search/rectype/inddbs/5194.htm Name Spouse Marr. Date Co State COURCHAINE, DANIEL B. SPEAKER, IDA 31 Aug 1881 Ottawa OH COURCHAINE, E[dward]. C. FRIEDMANN, JOSIE 27 Nov 1890 Ottawa OH COURCHAINE, FELIX VALIQUETTE, MARY 24 May 1881 Ottawa OH HANDLER, JAMES F. COURCHAINE, FANNY 08 Feb 1882 Ottawa OH ROGERS, JAMES [B.] COURCHAINE, ISABELLE 10 Feb 1880 Ottawa OH Ohio Marriages, 1803-1900 Search Results ------------ Huron County, Ohio: Queries Posted For April 1999 http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cbarth/queries/query025.htm Surnames: COURCHAINE, ROGERS Researcher: Bill Cooley Email: spade@northlink.com Date posted: Tuesday, April 6, 1999 Seeking descendants of James B. ROGERS who married Belle COURCHAINE in 1880 in Port Clinton, Ottawa County. He was of Catawba Island, she of Port Clinton. According to the wedding announcement, they were to settle in Bismarck, Huron County. Both are buried in Lakeview Cemetery in Port Clinton. He died in 1928, she in 1945. --------- ERIE County, OHIO, Query System Pages http://www.rootsweb.com/~oherie/1999/query004.htm Surnames: COURCHAINE, ROGERS Researcher: Bill Cooley Email: spade@northlink.com Date posted: Tuesday, April 20, 1999 Seeking family of James ROGERS and Isabelle COURCHAINE. They married in Port Clinton in 1880. Isabelle died in Providence Hospital in Sandusky in 1945; James died in 1928 location unknown. --------- Query Express Page for Sandusky Co, Ohio http://qexpress.rootsweb.com/sites/oh/sandus.html Surnames: ROGERS COURCHAINE Submitter: Bill Cooley (spade@northlink.com) Date: 02 May 1999 Seeking family of James and Isabella (Courchaine) ROGERS who lived in Fremont, Sandusky Co, at the time of the 1900 Fed Census. They married in the Port Clinton Catholic Church in 1880. James, I believe, was the son of Thomas and Verlinda (Wheeler) ROGERS of Catawba Island. James and Isabella had at least two chilren: son, Clarence, b. 1884, d. c. 1901, and daughter Monica, b. 1887. James d. 1926, place unknown; Isabella d. 1944 in City of Sandusky, Erie, Co. both buried in Lakeview Cemetery in Port Clinton. --------- 1997 Jul - Dec http://www.evansville.net/~dkrupp/ottawa/query1997july-december.htm Bill Cooley September 19 1997 Looking for info on the February 10, 1880 marriage of James B. ROGERS of Catawba Island and Belle M. COURCHAINE of Port Clinton , held in the Catholic Church of Port Clinton. Is that J.B. ROGERS the son of Thomas and Verlinda Rebecca (Wheeler) ROGERS? ----------------- OHGenExchange - Historical Accounts http://www.genexchange.com/historyreg2.cfm?state=oh&ID=1516 Port Clinton, the county-seat, laid out in 1827, is 120 miles north of Columbus, thirteen miles west of Sandusky, and thirty miles east of Toledo. . . Newspapers: Lake Shore Bulletin, Independent, A.W. Courchaine, editor and publisher; Ottawas County Republican, Republican, J.W. Grisier, editor and publisher. Churches: one Catholic, one United Brethren, one Lutheran, one Methodist Episcopal. 11:52 AM 4/6/2001 Files H Courchains [Felix H. Courchaine] Age: 62 State: OH Color: W Enumeration District: 0170 Visit: 0554 Birth Place: Ohio County: Ottawa, Port Clinton Relation: Head of Household Other Residents: Relation Name Age Birth Place Wife Mary T 49 Ohio [m. VALIQUETTE, MARY 24 May 1881 Ottawa, OH] Daughter Lavina F 24 Ohio Son Isadore F 22 Ohio Son Lewis A 16 Ohio Courchaine Felix H. Co. I 41 Ohio Infantry Private Private Union [aka Couchaine, Felix H.; civil war vet] Courchaine, Felix H. widow Mary Co. I 41 Ohio Inf. Filed class appl. Cert. state 04/30/1870 invalid 1558516 145159 OH 08/29/1924 widow 1223033 954,778 OH Son, Lewis A. Courchaine Serial Number: 2897009 Race: W Residence: 104 Monroe St., Port Clinton, O. Enlistment Division: National Army Enlistment Location: Ottawa Co, O. Enlistment Date: 24 May 1918 Birth Place: Port Clinton, O. Birth Date / Age: 1 June 1893 Assigns Comment: 159 Depot Brigade to 16 June 1918; Co D 114 Engineers to Discharge Private Meuse-Argonne. American Expeditionary Forces 22 Aug 1918 to 2 May 1919. Honorable discharge 21 May 1919. Certificate Number: 55617 Volume Number: 18143 Sex: Male Race: White Name: COURCHAINE, LEWIS A County of Death: Ottawa County City of Death: Port Clinton County of Residence: Ottawa County City of Residence: Port Clinton Date of Death: July 09, 1965 Age of Death: 72 Years Marital Status: Divorced Daniel B. Courchaine widow Ida Speaker CW vet Co 2 Ohio Cavalry Filed class appl. Cert. state 07/27/1897 invalid 1044056 910509 OH 05/06/1914 widow 1028175 777800 OH 10:59 PM 4/6/01 Weddings in the Family by Dale Fife Farrar, Straus and Cudahy, 1956. Hardback with dustjacket, 8x5.5, 248 pages. Very good condition. True stories of the Houck family, Alsatian emigrants to Toledo, Ohio, in the early 1900's, told by the youngest daughter. Mama, who didn't care much for America except its rocking chairs, had a large number of unmarried brothers and sisters and spent too much of her time acting as a matchmaking cupid, with results that are often tragic, usually humorous, and seldom as intended. Delightful first-hand look at early 20th century America, religious practices, family holidays and other gatherings. Full page line illustrations add to the book's quaint charm. ================== 10:12 AM 4/10/2001 "Donna Lee Moss" I am from Catherine Guyor's brother Gilbert born 4 Aug 1818/20 son Joseph-Marie Gaillard and Marguerite Bourg Saw your chart. My grandfather Oliver guyor born 1860. Cannot find his birthplace..said Canada..and River Raison but never any proof..are you familiar with names? I am from Edmonds, WA My name Donna Lee Moss..my email is ktters1@msn.com Have you done Jacques Bourg line..very interesting, but the Jacques born 1732 is a little problem..well won't take up your time..feel free to email me..we have alot of relatives... is this Gilbert GUYOR Marriage(s): Marguerite KIMNAIRE DE LA FLAMME Marriage: Abt. 1854 Of, Monroe, Michigan 9:16 PM 4/10/01 From: "Donna Lee Moss" To: Marshall Lloyd Date: Tuesday - April 10, 2001 4:35 PM Subject: Donna Lee Guyor Moss Dear Cousin Lloyd, Yes My grandmother Marguerite De La Flamme..and she is a hard one...cannot find much for her..think her father Joseph De La flamme, wasn't married at time she was born..his 1st wife Genevieve Robin died young, they marr 1822 and she died abt 1826 and he didn't marry again until 1843 and my Marguerite was b 1833...notice on a list of Goal prisioners in canada, a Joseph De La Flamme in it...but so many Joseph's hard to know. Marguerite I saw her grave at Holy Cross Cem when there. Lloyd I am very fit, thin, in shape ride mt bike, and had a bad heart attack..a little slow yet, on road to recovery tho...what a shock..cigerettes!!!!!!!!! I am glad I was moving around this geneology the other day...rewarding..I found you!! We also have a Glenard Guyor in La...Barbara Sullivan in Calif.. I have 3 children, Walt 45, Lynn Marie 42, and my little biologist Kari 34..I am a young 66 heheheheh.......anyway a Guyor Clan for some reason ended up in Sumas and Bellingham, WA don't know why they ever came here....carpenters, and worked in Alaska at Fish factorys, guess around their boats?? These Guyor men where noted for the women they got...I went to Quebec abt 5 yrs ago to kinda walk thru our familys path..so interesting. Ended up up in Moncton University talking to Stephen White..our family way back .Acadiens...well so much, will be in touch after I hear from you..thanks so much for your response..if I really get going on this can't stop..I have alot of info!! Bye, Donna Lee guyor Moss ^v^ ^v^ 2:40 PM 4/13/01 =========== From: To: Marshall Lloyd Date: Friday - April 13, 2001 12:20 PM Subject: Peter Navarre Hi Marshall, remember me? I'm the president of the Wolcott Museum Guild in Maumee, OH and author of the 1990 book on Sally Heming's children. (My e-mail is crammed today with the new study and her black relatives' visit to the White House.) I networked around the area and found your e-mail via Mary Breymaier. I hear you may have a web site and I need some info on Peter Navarre. I write a weekly column (for free) for the Perrysburg paper about famous people who lived, worked or visited in the Perrysburg area. Can you help me? My e-mail is History4u@aol.com home address: 129 Carolin Ct. Perrysburg, Ohio 43551-1607 phone- 419-874-6828 Where do you live in VA? All my folks live in Bassett and my brother-in-law is a coroner for the Danville and Henry County area. I hope to visit there next month. I've had double hip replacement surgery in the last 11 months and finally am able to be mobile enough to take a vacation. Am looking forward to hearing from you. Judy Justus ===== From: To: Marshall Lloyd Date: Friday - April 13, 2001 12:21 PM Subject: Photos Fassett, Ai Ransom, Jr., Maryette DeKay Hi Marshall, Thanks for the quick reply. I was about to write you that I was sorry about the Guyor photo, that it was the same as on your web site. However, if you feel it's better than the one you have, I'm pleased. I haven't downloaded the gedcom yet, but will as soon as I get this off. I usually handle my email off line and don't download files until I check on their origins. I'll try to get to the gedcom I promised to you today, after I get some wife-promised painting done ;-). I'll also try to get started on a CD soon. I must spend more time on your website than I did last night at midnight. It is a great site with so much info that I have only scratched the surface at this point. --- Later --- So much for good intentions. A new neighbor who lives down the road dropped in at our ambiguous invitation, of course, and visited. We suggested he have his wife come down and my my called her. She did, and there goes a couple of hours. I have an afternoon appointment for some automotive service, I was rescued from painting. To keep you placated, I'll attach a photo of Ai Ransom Fassett, Jr. and Maryette DeKay Fassett. keep the faith! Dale 9:22 AM 4/14/01 Hi Marshall, I would asume that your date is correct since it came from an official record. My date came word of mouth from my aunt, Mary Sanders Miller who had it recorded from notes of Bessie Fassett Sanders, her mother. I have downloaded the gedcom and have it in my PAF files, but haven't had a chance to compare with my records yet. I attach one photo of the "Navarre Pistol" . As I mentioned, it is purported to have been one of Peter Navarre's and was given to my uncle Gordon Miller by his friend Abe Navarre. The manufacturer mark is "A Waters 1st line Millsbury, MS 2nd line 1837" 3rd line I think the MS was probably Massachusetts as it's doubtful it was made in Mississippi. I will include six shots of the pistol on the CD I am preparing for you. Hope you have pleasant holiday. Dale 12:25 AM 4/15/01 see also http://www.lib.lsu.edu/special/findaid/r4662.html http://www.ruble-enterprises.com/johnson1836.htm Model 1836 Flintlock Pistol made by Asa Waters of Millbury Massachusetts and Robert Johnson of Middletown Connectcut from 1836 to 1844 with a total prodution quantity of 41,000. This flintlock was an improved verison of the Model 1826 and was the last U.S. martial pistol producted in the flintlock ignition system. A significant quantity of the production was later converted (in the 1850's) to percussion. This model is often found with state militia markings and was used by both the north and the south during the American Civil War. 3:19 PM 4/15/01 6:45 PM 4/17/01 From: To: Marshall Lloyd Date: Monday - April 16, 2001 2:11 PM Subject: Re: Tintype and Ai's Pension records Hi Marshall, On Saturday, among other things, you wrote: "Do you want a copy back of the tin type? Tin types are pretty low contrast [i.e. the whites are not very white and the blacks are not very black]. I have photoshop 5.5 and so have been able to adjust the levels of black and white on the image producing a more readable image." Yes, please send me an edited copy. "Lucia and I are off today to DC to see a play. I hope to go back up there on Monday to look at the National Archives. Have you seen Ai Fassett's military/pension records there?" Hope you enjoyed the play and, yes, I have copies of his pension records. I spent a bit of time on your website yesterday. I verified that Abe Navarre is the same man who gave my uncle the Peter Navarre pistol. I found the connection between the two of them. My uncle father operated a construction company who office and yards were located on City Park Avenue near Abe Navarre's residence and must have got to know each other that way. The friendship lasted until Abe's death. I also found Jane Navarre who the Fassett family knew as "Aunt Jane." One thing troubles me a bit. My records show that Abe's father, Lambert, was a son of the Peter Navarre from whom the pistol was inherited. Are these two Peters the same, the Indian Scout who was so famous in and around Toledo? I have a copy of Peter's obit which states his birth year as 1787 and my record shows 1785. This could be an error or it could be that they are years of birth of two different men. Can you enlighten me, as I have no real proof of the origin given my uncle by Abe. Here are some notes I have on Peter: From The Toledo Blade, Friday Evening, March 20, 1874 OBITUARY OF PETER NAVARRE __________ Death of the Old Scout -- A Hero of the War of 1812 - His Connection With the History of the Maumee Valley. There passed away, to his long home, in East Toledo, this morning, one who has long identified himself with the events of the Maumee Valley; both during and since its occupation by the red men, and whose prominence in the history of our State is due alone to his personal bravery, made manifest in the time of imminent danger. PETER NAVARRE died this morning in East Toledo, at the advanced age of 89 years, after an eventful life, made up in part, by daring encounters with the Indians growing out of his connection with the war of 1812, and which of themselves would make a volume of thrilling narrative. He was the oldest settler of the Maumee Valley and by his death another tie which bound us to the past is severed. PETER NAVARRE was born at Detroit in 1785. (Lossing gives the date of his birth as 1790, but this is undoubtedly an error.) He came to the Maumee country in 1807 and with his parents took up his residence at the mouth of the river. It may be needless to remark that this region of country was then in its wildest state, and among his neighbors, were the widow of the renowned Indian Chieftain, PONTIAC, and her son. The community was peopled almost entirely by Ottawa Indians, governed by a descendant of PONTIAC. NAVARRE first joined the army (of Hull) at the Maumee Rapids and went with it to Detroit where he remained until the surrender, when he joined the command of Col. ANDERSON. He was at one time forced by the British to act as their scout through the Maumee country, but escaped them and became an eye-witness of the massacre at the River Raisin. It is stated upon good authority that had the commanding General (WINCHESTER) at that battle listened to the counsel of NAVARRE and his brother scouts, that disaster would have been avoided. Upon the completion of Fort Meigs, he became a scout for Gen. Harrison, and it was he who first discovered the approach of the Indians upon that fortification, while in the act of crossing the rapids, just above where Maumee now stands. He was daily assigned to some dangerous duty, but was always faithful in its performance, and was sent by Gen. HARRISON to communicate the news of the attack upon Fort Meigs to the posts of Upper and Lower Sandusky, and to the Governor (MEIGS). NAVARRE was at the battle of the Thames and saw TECUMSEH fall, and assisted in burying the old chieftain. The sum of $1,000 was offered the Indians by Gen. PROCTOR for the cunning Frenchman's scalp, but his knowledge of woodcraft was so great that the eluded all efforts to capture him, and his pursuers were often made to repent the folly of their chase. As old age crept on, Mr. NAVARRE took up his residence on the East side of the river, six miles from the city, and with his family looked upon the stead, development and prosperity of a country which he had helped to settle. At the re-union of the Veterans of 1812 which was held at Fort Meigs a few years since, he was there, apparently hale and hearty, among those who generations before had been his companions in arms. It was a grand reunion of old heroes, who had fought to save a rich country from a ruthless hand, and although it has been done in years long gone by their laurels were still green. The memory of their deeds will remain ever bright and the history of their valor a portion of our country's brightest record. The funeral of the late Mr. Navarre will occur tomorrow afternoon at 2 o'clock, the funeral services to take place at the French Catholic Church in East Toledo. Note: There are several discepancies in year of birth -- 1785, 1787,& 1790- 1785- The Toledo Blade obit, 1787-our record from Genealogy of the French Families of the Detroit River Region(see Source), and 1790 Lossing, as quoted in the Blade obit. The following was taken by from a booklet obtained from the Oregon Historical Society: The booklet is "In Search of Our Past: Women of Northwest Ohio, Volume VI", Published by the Women's History Committee of the Women Alive! Coalition, 1998. The article about Catherine Navarre appears on pp. 38-39. The first Europeans to inhabit the lands known as the Northwest Territory were French fur trappers (Courers-de-Bois). These French settlers, many of whom came to this area through Quebec, traversed the forests, marshes, and swamps densely populated with such fur-bearing animals as raccoons, beavers, and muskrats. In this environment the Navarre family began its history in America with Robert Navarre. As the King's notary, Robert emigrated to Fort Ponchartrain (Detroit) in 1739. When the British took possession of Detroit in 1760, Robert was made their principal agent. Robert son's Francis, along with his wife Marie Louise Panat Campeau, six sons and three daughters, later lived for a time in Frenchtown, now known as Monroe, Michigan. By 1807, Francis' sons Peter and Robert Navarre were living on the banks of the Maumee Bay at Presque Isle (now the Port Authority docks) in a French settlement called McCarty's village. Soon, their parents, brothers James, Alexis, Jacques, Antoine, and Francis and sisters Marie Louise, Geneveva and Archange, joined them. When the Navarre family came to this area they found dense forests of magnificent trees, and swamps covered a large portion of the land. The only roads were Indian paths that led through the forest to various trading posts, nearby towns and other Indian villages. The Navarre homestead was located next to an Ottawa Indian village consisting of 60 log cabins. Although Peter was raised a gentleman, as a young man he learned the ways of surviving in the forest from the Indians. The Indians taught him how and where to find food, what berries and roots could be eaten, and what herbs and plants could be used for medicinal purposes. With this knowledge. Peter became a successful fur trapper and scout. He constantly traversed between the Maumee Bay, Frenchtown and Detroit selling his furs to the Northwest Fur Company. During the War of 1812, Peter, Robert, Alexis and Jacques offered their services to the United States government. After the war Peter moved to a site east of Momeneetown on Corduroy Road. In the Treaty of 1833 the Navarre brothers. Peter, James, Alexis, Antoine, and Robert, were given 800 acres on which they were living having been "long resided among these Indians ... and been valuable friends." It is believed that Peter had three wives, the first of whom was Catherine Suzor. Secondly, he married Geneva Robert (1799-1827). She gave birth to a child in 1827. Both she and the daughter died that same year. Peter's third marriage to Catherine Bourdeau was the longest and most prolific of his marriages. Catherine was born 7 February 1804 at River Raisin to Joseph Bourdeau and Agatha Reaume. She and Peter married 8 September 1828 in Monroe. It is not known where this couple lived the first years of their marriage. We do know that Catherine was a resident of Oregon Township after 1840. Life in the Maumee Bay during the 1800's was hard for these early pioneers. Most lived in a one-room wooden cabin. The woman's day was usually spent tending to the needs of her family in the most primitive conditions. In Catherine's case this was a monumental undertaking since she bore Peter 17 children. Of their children, thirteen were said to be living at the time of her death. The known children were Peter, b. 1831; James, b. 1832; Daniel, b. 1835; Eli, b. 1837; Oliver, b. 1839; Benjamin, b. 1840; Zoar, b. 1842; Lambert, b. 1843; Susan, b. 1846; and Mary. Catherine spent her days performing work of the typical pioneer woman. This included washing the family's clothes over a washboard, rinsing them in a tub of boiling water, hanging them on the line in the backyard to dry, after which another day would be spent ---- [The balance of theis note will be added when obtained.] Balance of note never received after request. Regards, Dale Redd Thank you so much for the enlightenment on Peter, his cousins and descendants. I'm sure a gedcom on the Hutro Navarres would be even more enlightening, but from what you have given me and what I have gleaned from your website, I would most appreciate a complete gedcom going back to the "Kingdom of Navarre." It appears that you have untangled the Dennisen confusion which has plagued me and I would like to straighten out that entanglement as well as the earlier data I gleaned from the book by Olive Chapman Lauther, Robert de Navarre, The Last of the Bourbons. I just finished speaking to my nearly 99 year old aunt whose late husband was Gordon Miller, the recipient of the pistol from Abe Navarre. I tweaked her memory and she tells me that Abe not only was a neighbor of Gordon's father's construction business, he was employed by it. Abe and Gordon became great friends and visited one another's homes with their wives. She also told me of the time of the gift. Abe said to Gordon, "I have something I think you'll be interested in having, since I have no use for it." (or words to that effect.) He then gave it to my uncle. This event took place in the early 1930s as my aunt and uncle were married in 1929. I don't know whether the fact that my aunt was a descendant of the Navarres ever came up. She also said Abe was a great walker and used to walk from his home on City Park Ave to East Toledo on numerous occasions. The info on the gun was most interesting. You asked, "Are you interested in what I've found regarding the gun?" I assume you then told me all you had learnened. But is there by chance more? I hope I may be as helpful to you as you have been to me. I really appreciate what you've already done, but I seem to have guts enough to ask for more, don't I? I look forward to hearing from you. Dale ===== Dale, On Tuesday you wrote: ===== The info on the gun was most interesting. You asked, "Are you interested in what I've found regarding the gun?" I assume you then told me all you had learnened. But is there by chance more? ===== Yes, there are several sites that refer to a your gun: 1. http://www.ruble-enterprises.com/johnson1836.htm Johnson and Walters [sic] model 1836 flintlock pistol: [note that this entire page erroneously refers to Walters instead of Waters]

Model 1836 Flintlock Pistol made by Asa Walters of Millbury Massachusetts and Robert Johnson
of Middletown Connectcut from 1836 to 1844 with a total prodution quantity of 41,000.

This flintlock was an improved verison of the Model 1826 and was the last U.S. martial pistol
producted in the flintlock ignition system. A significant quantity of the production was later
converted (in the 1850's) to percussion. This model is often found with state militia markings
and was used by both the north and the south during the American Civil War.

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Johnson Model 1836 dated 1837

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CALIBER: .54 smoothbore
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Estimated quantity made 20,000

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Dated 1844
Estimated quantity made 3,000

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2. Millbury Public Schools has a biography of Asa H. Waters the second, a reprint of an actual pamplet.

- A reprint of the actual pamphlet -

Asa Waters, the Second

Asa Waters II

1769-1841

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Asa Waters, the Second (1769-1841)

Asa Waters, the second, was born in Sutton, November 2, 1769, probably in the house of his father, the first Asa Waters, at the southeast corner of West Main and Rhodes Streets. He developed, to a remarkable degree, skill and ingenuity in the trade which seemed hereditary in his family for several generations, that of gun making. He and his elder brother, Elijah, has learned that trade in the shop of their father on Singletary Stream. The brothers, in 1797, purchased the neighboring water power site on the Blackstone River. This purchase included the site of their future armory, and as well the gristmill, long a landmark on the east side of South Main Street, and on the north bank of the river where the road crosses it, and also the land between the river and Elm Street as far east as the former Cordis Dam. They made guns, scythes, saw mills saws and like products.

In 1808 they built the armory which gave its name to the village -Armory Village- and contributed so much to its prosperity. The same year they undertook their first contract with the national government to supply firearms for the army. Elijah, after a long illness, died in 1814 and Asa became the sole proprietor. His son, Asa Holman Waters, in an article on Gun Making ("Journal of Progress," Philadelphia, June 1887) thus describes his father's work:

"Possessing great physical strength, unusual energy and mechanical talent, he introduced various improvements in gun making, which wrought great changes.***** Two only referred to. Gun barrels were welded and forged up to this time entirely by hand power. On October 25, 1817, he was granted letters patent for his invention for welding gun barrels under trip hammers with concave dies, striking four hundred blows a minute and controlled by a foot treadle. This patent was signed by James Monroe, President, John Quincy Adams, Secretary of State, and Richard Rush, Attorney General. This invention was copied by all the armories of the United States and in Europe. In the following year, observing that the English process of grinding the barrels down before a revolving stone left the metal of uneven thickness around the calibre, and thus liable to explode, he invented a lathe to turn the barrel to uniform thickness. This patent, December 19, 1818, was the first patent ever issued for turning a gun barrel in a lathe. This proved a success so far as the gun barrel was round."

The first contract by the United States for the making of guns in Millbury was dated September 8, 1808, and called for the delivery of 1000 stands of arms, i.e. a musket and bayonet complete, of a certain pattern, in each of the following five years, the price of each was to be $10.75, delivered at Springfield, after a full and correct inspection by officers appointed for the purpose who should certify accordingly. Such contracts, made with Asa Waters for periods of five years, were continued during thirty-seven years and meant much to the prosperity of Millbury, assuring steady work for a body of skilled mechanics.

By the contract made in 1818, two thousand stands were to be delivered each year during the term of the contract, the barrels should be proved before acceptance, and delivery was to be made at the Watertown arsenal or its vicinity. The price was $14.00 per stand with additional compensation for boxing and transportation from Millbury. Mr. Waters also agreed to give the free right under his patent for welding gun barrels wherever guns were made for the United States government.

Writing to the Ordnance department twenty years later (1838), Mr. Waters states that the saving to the government by the use of hid patent was 13 1/2 cents for each barrel welded at Harper's Ferry Arsenal, and that the same rate the annual saving to the government was about $5000 on the guns made for the United States, and that if the method had been adopted at Harper's Ferry when adopted at Springfield, the government would have saved $150,000 at the former place.

In the contract of January 1, 1829, the price was $12.25 for each stand, including bayonet, flints, screw drivers, wipers, ball screws and spring vices.

February 7, 1840, Asa Waters and Son made a contract with the chief of the Ordnance department to manufacture 15,000 pistols, to be delivered in parcels of 750 and at the rate of 3,000 per year. The price of each pistol with its appendages was $7.50, and the expense of proving, inspecting, packing and transporting was to be paid by the government.

After his death in 1841, his son, Asa Holman Waters, who was also born in Sutton, carried on the armory business came to a sudden, abrupt and almost final termination, and not of this armory alone, but of all the private armories in the United States service, of which there were six.

There armories were established under a law of Congress, passed in 1808. They had been repeatedly recognized by the secretaries of war, from John C. Calhoun down, as a part of the United States system of supplying arms, and the duty of sustaining them had been repeatedly enjoined upon Congress. The owners, therefore, had regarded them as permanent establishments, and had invested largely in tools and machinery, which were nearly worthless for any other purpose. This sudden and untimely surcease was a great disappointment, a great injury, and an act of eminent injustice to the contractors, and also to their workmen, who had become expert on certain parts, knew no other trade, and had settled down in comfortable homes near the armories. Their vocation was gone. The real cause of this unjust act was for some time concealed.

It was later revealed that the chief of Ordnance, U.S. Army, owned a large iron foundry in Richmond, Va. and had channeled all excess funds into the production of cannon balls at this foundry. Needless to say, he was court martialed, removed from office, deprived of his Brigadier General's commission, his name removed from office, deprived of his Brigadier General's commission, his name removed from the roll of Army Officers and he left Washington in disgrace.

When the Civil War broke out, the government was surprised to learn that the retiring secretary of war, Floyd of Virginia, has surreptitiously sent down south nearly all the arms contained in northern arsenals, and they had but one armory left - Springfield- to supply the instant demand.

In this emergency they stretched out their arms imploringly to the private armories to resurrect them, but they were all dead, utterly dead, but two, which had barely survived. These were Waters' of Sutton, now Millbury, and Whitney's of New Haven. These were at once resuscitated, greatly enlarged, and given all the work they could possibly do. As the prices paid were liberal, they at last obtained some just compensation for the wrongs they had suffered.

Asa Waters II was not only a manufacturer of guns, but he had many other talents that were as fruitful as his armory. He developed four water poser sites on the Blackstone River:

  1. The Stillwater, which successively gave power to the "flannel mill," the Stillwater Mill, the sash and blind shop, etc., and where the Felters Works and Millbury Machine Shop now stand.
  2. The Armory, later the Atlanta Mills, etc., immediately west of South Main Street.
  3. The Cordis Mills.
  4. The Wilkinsonville (Sutton Manufacturing Company.)

A fifth site was established on the Blackstone Canal at the lock near McCracken Road. This was later used by the Burling Mill.

He founded the Millbury Bank in 1825, was its largest stockholder and its first president. He was representative to the Legislature in 1823. He was one of the largest land owners in the county, and gave the site for the Academy at the northwest corner of Elm and Waters Streets.

"Asa Waters possessed a mind of uncommon strength and comprehensiveness. It was a mind conscious of power and delighted in its own activity. It was always at work and always bringing out some result indicative of itself. And there was always about it something noble and far reaching. No one could listen to his conversation without being struck by it. And it was especially apparent in his business. These qualities enabled his to transact such an amount and variety of business and to do it with propriety. To his enterprise especially is to be attributed the manufactures which constitute the chief support of the village in which he lived and indeed the village itself of which they were the origin. He was distinguished for his energy and perseverance. Obstacles which anyone else would have deemed insurmountable, it seemed to be his delight to conquer and overcome. It is no small praise to say that a man of such extensive business transactions, and extending through so long a period, had the confidence of all with whom he had dealings as a man of strict honesty and uprightness. When came a reverse in his business under circumstances which would have enabled him to effect a favorable compromise with his creditors, he refused to avail himself of such an advantage but resumed business with the encumbrance upon him and paid to the full every such claim. Such an act of integrity deserves to be published as a tribute to the memory of the dead and for the imitation of the living. His public spirit which made him the efficient friend of whatever related to the good of the community, his attachment to the institutions of religion and the cheerful and liberal support which he always lent to them, his generous and open hearted hospitality, those who knew him will long remember." (The Rev. S.G. Buckingham, his pastor, in the "Worcester Palladium," December, 1841.)

Asa Waters married May 19, 1802, Susan Holman, daughter of Col. Jonathan Holman. They had eight children: 1: Susan; 2: Sarafina; 3: Asa Holman; 4: Fanny Jane; 5: Anna Jane; 6: Harriet Newell; 7: Adelia and 8: Caroline. Asa Holman Waters carried on the family tradition of gun making.

Asa Waters, the second, died on Christmas Eve, 1841. His last words were: "I am going from this room to one above."

Flintlock

Army Flintlock Model 1836, made at Waters Armory until 1844

Firearm

Rare 1864 Millbury Firearm

References: The History of Sutton 1704-1876. Pp. 564-577. Sanford & Company, Worcester 1878. Centennial History of the Town of Millbury, Massachusetts 1813-1915. Pp. 465-471. Davis Press, Worcester 1915.

3. http://www.manatarmsbooks.com/document.html Asa Water's Home and bio

This unedited letter was written by the Waters family lawyer in 1945, outlining the history of the family and their involvement in the firearms trade. It is provided courtesy of Joseph V. Puleo, Technical Editor of Man at Arms magazine.
 
July 30, 1945
J.W. Gantt, Principal
The Mill Spring Consolidated Schools
Mill Spring, North Carolina
 
Dear Sir:
I have this day had your letter of July 14, 1945, turned over to me with the request that I give you any information I might have in regards to the Asa Waters family and their manufacturing of guns.

Back about 20 years ago I had the pleasure of doing some real estate work for Mr. & Mrs. Henry Philips, daughter and son-in-law of Mr. Asa Waters, Jr., the maker of the gun you now possess. I also spent quite a bit of time with both of these people looking over the blue prints of their family trees. If I remember correctly, one of these checked back to the time of the Crusade, in which some relatives were knights.

The Waters family of Millbury traces its ancestry to James Waters who lived about 1600. He had a son, Richard, a gunsmith, who married Joyce (Rejoice), daughter of William Plasse, also a gunsmith. They had a son John, b. in 1840, a farmer, resided in Salem, and m. in Salem, June 1, 1663, Sara, daughter of John Tompkins of that place. From two of his ten children, Richard, b. in 1699, and Nathaniel, b. in 1671, the members of the Waters family in Millbury are descended. Nathaniel purchased one-tenth (about three thousand acres) of the township of Sutton.

Johnathan, son of Nathaniel, moved from Salem and became the first settler on the Clifford R. Harris farm, of West Millbury. From him were descended Asa, Asa, and Col. Asa H. Waters, all of whom were gunmakers and manufacturers, as well as extensive landowners. This branch of the family intermarried with the Trasks, the Torreys, the Goodells, the Burbanks, and other well-known families.

Asa Waters, The First

Nathaniel Waters (1671-1718) of Salem, in the year 1715, bought three thousand acres of the wilderness, within the territory that was to become the town of Sutton, but, dying three years later, he probably never lived here, and his land was divided between his two sons, Nathaniel, Jr., and Jonathan (1715-1786), who had farms in the north part of the township. The home farm of the latter was on the east side of the road leading from Singletary pond to West Millbury at the east end of the village. Probably the site of the first house is marked by an old well. The present dwelling stands nearly opposite where a road branches to the westward. There for four generations lived a Jonathan Waters. They were descended from James Waters, an iron monger and citizen of London who died in that city and was buried in St. Botolph's parish, February 2, 1617, leaving a widow, Phoebe, daughter of George Manning, and a son, Richard. Among the manuscripts in the British Museum is a pedigree prepared by that George Manning showing his descent through eight generations from Symon Manning, who was a crusader to the Holy Land in the reign of Richard I and who died before 1272. The widow Phoebe Waters married a widower, William Plasse, a gun maker of London, who had a daughter, Rejoice Plasse. This family, Mr. & Mrs. Plasse and their two children, were in the migration that crossed the Atlantic before 1636 to the new plantation on the Massachusetts Bay.

Richard Waters married in London his step-sister, Rejoice Plasse. William Plasse and his step-son followed the trade of gun making in Salem. A grandson of Richard Waters was the Nathaniel who bought Sutton land, and a grandson of the latter, and son of the first Jonathan, was the Asa Waters who was born in the north parish of Sutton, January 27, 1742. He and his brother Andrus inherited the mechanical talent of their progenitor, Richard. Both were gun makers, and were among the first to perceive the industrial possibilities of the swiftly descending waters of Singletary brook. The two brothers established trip hammer works where the Holbrook Mill stands, or a little below, and forged gun barrels, scythes and other iron implements.

Asa Waters, The Second

Asa Waters, the second, was born in Sutton, November 2, 1769, probably in the house of his father, the first Asa Waters, at the southeast corner of West Main and Rhodes Streets. He developed, to a remarkable degree, skill and ingenuity in the trade which seemed hereditary in his family for several generations, that of gun making. He and his elder brother, Elijah, had learned that trade in the shop of their father on Singletary Stream. The brothers in 1797 purchased the neighboring water power on the Blackstone River. This purchase included the site of their future armory, and as well the gristmill long a landmark on the east side of Main Street and on the north bank of the river where the road crosses it, and also the land between the river and Elm Street as far east as the Cordis dam [editor's note: these last two words were not clear and may be incorrect]. They made guns, scythes, saw mills saws and like products.

In 1808 they built the armory which gave its name to the village and contributed so much to its prosperity. The same year they undertook their first contract with the national government to supply firearms for the army. Elijah after a long illness died in 1814 and Asa became the sole proprietor. His son, the third Asa Waters, in an article upon Gun Making (Journal of Progress, Philadelphia, June, 1887) thus describes his father's work:

"Possessing great physical strength, unusual energy and mechanical talent, he introduced various improvements in gun making, which wrought great changes. Two only will be referred to. Gun barrels were welded and forged up to this time entirely by hand power, the super having two strikers. All this was in the recollection of the writer. On October 25, 1817, he was granted letters of patent for his invention for welding gun barrels under trip hammers with concave dies, striking four hundred blows a minute and controlled by a foot treadle. This patent was signed by James Monroe, President, John Quincy Adams, Secretary of Sate, and Richard Rush, Attorney General. This invention was copied by all the armories of the United States and in Europe, and his claim to originality has never been disputed. In the following year, 1818, observing that the English process of grinding the barrels down before a revolving stone left the metal of uneven thickness around the calibre, and thus liable to explode, he invented a lathe to turn the barrel to uniform thickness. This patent, December 21, 1818, was the first patent ever issued for turning a gun barrel in a lathe, save one which was a failure. This proved a success so far as the gun barrel was round.

Years later, when the wonderful inventions of Thomas Blanchard for turning the irregular end of the gun barrel and the wooden gun stock, had come into general use and knowledge, claims were made to deprive Millbury of the honor of being the place of the discovery of this principle in practical mechanics."
 

Revolutionary Armory
Just in front of the dam at the stone mill of Edward F. Rice & Co. on Singletary stream, was situated the trip hammer building connected with the armory of Asa Waters, senior, in Revolutionary days. Mr. George W. McCracken, at the age of eighty-seven, definitely located the old structure and stated that the timbers on the old trip-hammer shop were the largest that he ever saw in any building. Shortly before his death, Colonel Waters spoke of seeing, when young, ruins of other buildings still farther down the stream. The region about the stonemill and the Crane & Waters privilege has changed in the location of dams and trenches since the existence of the old armory, where Asa and his brother Andrus established their early gun-works. The latter lost his life in the iron mines of Connecticut from which metal was procured for the works on Singletary stream. At the first armory in Millbury muskets were made for the soldiers of '76. Flintlock guns made at this armory compared favorably with those produced at the same time in England.
At this time I believe there are two nephews of Mrs. Henry Phillips alive, Mr. Grosvenor, in Washington, head of the National Geographic Society and George Avery White, Lawyer and Banker in Worcester, Mass.

Hoping this information may be of some help to you,
 
Yours very truly,
[Signature missing]

10:32 AM 4/18/2001 Thanks for the quick response. You are speedy in more ways than one in putting the pistol on your web site. I haven't looked yet, because I wanted to get my thanks off first. As far as privacy is concerned it is okay to put the story in fully. I agree that the gun deserves some recognition. For the record regarding the provenance, my aunt, Mary L. (Sanders) Miller, passed the gun to me several years after the passing of her husband, Gordon. I will be happy to have the Toledo Blade article. Thank you for the other info on other Peters. With appreciation, Hi Marshall, The link on the pistol photo (info) would not bring up the article. I believe that the pistol should be decribed as a percussion cap, smooth bore pistol since there is a place for the cap which is struck by the hammer. there is no sign of a place for flint. It is, of course, a muzzle loader. The bore is about 9/16" so it is over 50 caliber. I am not a gun expert, and I may be wrong, but, as I recall, the percussion cap pistol was a later development and of the type firearm used in the Civil War. I'll try to find out more on this. I'll keep trying for the article. Thanks, Dale 3:36 PM 4/18/2001 9:56 AM 4/19/2001 I enjoyed reading the info on the page, both about the pistol and Waters II. I agree that the article supports a conversion from the earlier flintlock to percussion. I didn't mention before, but you've probably noticed from the photo I sent that the ramrod is missing. Also, the hammer end which contacts the cap is ragged, I assume from wear. Aside from these, the gun I have not only looks like the picture with description, but coincides exactly with the other specifications listed. I'm looking forward to reading your article about it. I talked to my aunt about your great research on the Navarres and am going to send her prints of the Navarre photo album from your site. She is very much interested. I mentioned Jane Navarre to her and she recalls visits to her grandparents by Jane and commented on what a funloving woman she was, with a great sense of humor. She called her "Aunt Jane." She's looking forward to seeing the photo of Jane. Almost 99, her long term memory is pretty good, but she's getting short term forgetful. Take care. Dale ===== Yes, I noticed the missing ramrod, and noticed your estimate of the caliber was dead on. I haven't had much time to work on the site since last night, Lucia thought she was going into labor. Regarding Aunt Jane, It's always a thrill for me to hear about first-hand stories about these people form the past. What a treasure you have in your Aunt! It is Aunt Jane who gives me a fair date for Robert T. Navarre's death. She is described, in her obituary, as the posthumous child of Robert. Knowing her birth is 25 Oct 1860, I assume Robert died at some point in 1860 between Jan and Oct. The article also mentions Jane's adopted daughter Ruth Zunk. Josephine Fassett, in her book, credits the picture of Catherine Guyor you sent to me to Ruth Zunk. I assume then that this picture of Catherine passed directly from her to her daughter Jane and then to Jane's daughter Ruth who gave it to Josephine Fassett as she was working on her book. How did it pass to you [I'm also interested in writing a short piece on your photo as its subject is the progenetrix of so many of the Toledo Navarres]? I found my Blade article. I was far off the mark [read it too long ago, I guesss]. It was a copy I found in the Navarre-Williams papers at the University of Toledo. The article was about Peter's tomahawk and pipe and it was given to someone by Peter's nephew Xavia [Francis Xavier Navarre]. Are you still interested in the article? [Cad Williams married Alexis the scout's daughter Elizabeth--hence Navarre-Williams papers]. < I assume then that this picture of Catherine passed directly from her to her daughter Jane and then to Jane's daughter Ruth who gave it to Josephine Fassett as she was working on her book. How did it pass to you [I'm also interested in writing a short piece on your photo as its subject is the progenetrix of so many of the Toledo Navarres]?> To: Marshall Lloyd Date: Thursday - April 19, 2001 4:23 PM Subject: Re: Catherine Guyor portrait This picture was in my mother's papers and was found after her death. I feel quite certain that she got it from her aunt, Josephine Fassett ("Aunt Josie" to our family.) Also among her effects was the Lauther book on Robert de Navarre from which I gleaned much info for my genfiles. Aunt Jane's being a posthumous child of Robert is an interesting fact. Yes, I would like you to send me the Blade article about the tomahawk and pipe of Peter. How is your wife doing? When is she due to deliver? Keep me posted. Regards, Dale ====== Subject: Re: Daso genealogy Creation Date: 4/18/01 9:15PM From: Doreen S Hoegler Hello... Thank you for sending the Daso information. I am Doreen "Sissy" the daughter of LaVerna (Daso) Filina jfilina@juno.com. Mom said I would be hearing from you tonight. Thank you! As soon as I can get this info into my FTM Program, I will then print it out and send to you too. I appreciate a fellow genealogist! Till later... Sissy Hoegler ______________________ Doreen "Sissy" Hoegler dhoegler@juno.com 9:09 PM 4/19/01 From: To: Marshall Lloyd Date: Thursday - April 19, 2001 5:33 PM Subject: Pistol markings Marshall, there are some alpha markings on the pistol that perhaps may be of interest. On the left side on the top of the barrel, a bit left of center, about opposite of the percussion cap retainer are the letters J H P about as I have depicted here. It could have been initials of an owner prior to Peter Navarre or perhaps another meaning. (Perhaps more than you'll ever want to know!) Just thought I'd mention it. Dale Marshall, Since the internet doesn't seem to accommodate differences in font or size, I saw something different in the copy returned with yours. To clarify, the J H are in italics and the P is under the H a couple of points smaller than J H, about the equivalent of a skipped space below and is in block serif type. Yes, they are deepset (else they probably would have disappeared with time and wear) and do appear as stamped into the iron with dies. I hope this may give you a better idea of those letters. Dale 9:50 PM 4/19/01 Database: Full Context of Ohio Deaths, 1958-69 Certificate Number: 17277 Volume Number: 18784 Sex: Male Race: White Name: BYRUM, TALBERT B County of Death: Cuyahoga County City of Death: Cleveland County of Residence: Darke County City of Residence: Date of Death: March 18, 1967 Age of Death: 64 Years Marital Status: Married 2:56 PM 4/20/2001 Marshall, It looks very much like this is the Talbert Byrum who was widowed in the early 1920s by my Aunt Edna (Sanders) Byrum in 1925. I have only vague memories of either of them as I last saw her when I was 4 years old, and him when he visited my parents and grandparents (Sanders) in 1925 when we lived for a short time in Florida. They were married on Sept 26, 1924 only a few months before she died, Feb. 19, 1925. The reason I think it is probably the same man is because the time frame fits and how many Talbert Byrums of that age could there have been. At the time he and my aunt were married he was in the restaurant business with his father in Toledo, so winding up in Cleveland would not be outside the realm of possibility - even probability. Thank you for passing this along. I have entered the vitals in my records. Dale 8:55 PM 4/21/01 Thanks again Marshall. I guess if I were smart enough to intelligently peruse your fantastic website, I wouldn't have to ask for directions. I checked my filing cabinet and evidently the tintype didn't attach. I am long past trying to figure out why the computer does or doesn't do things. Things don't seem to be much better than they were when I was with NCR Corp. and we were marketing the old NCR 315 back in the 50s. I didn't understand then and I still don't. Glad to hear you got the envelope and the CD. I hope there is something therein that you can use. Have fun with Kendall! 7:37 AM 4/24/2001 Date: April 20, 2001 at 14:18:28 I'm just messing around but the name, Mose Navarre seems so unusual that I thought there might be a connection between your man and a Moses Navarre that married my great grandmother, Julia (DeShanaway) Teal on 6 September, 1856 in Maumee, Ohio. (Lots of Navarres there who came down from Frenchtown, Monroe and Raisin River, MI. They had a son, Odin Navarre born 11 August 1857. I don't know what happened to Moses. geogorsuch@buckeye-express.com For what it is worth: My grandfather's sister, Mary Gorsuch married an Isadore Navarre on 20 September 1865 in Maumee, Ohio. (The name Isadore is common in the descendants of Robert de Navarre.) The father of this Isadore Navarre was Francis or Francois. He (Isadore) should not be confused with the Civil War Veteran, Isadore Navarre, the son of Peter Navarre, the scout. (He spoke mostly French) I looked at his war record./G. Navarre, Isadore to Mary Gossage? Navarre, Moses to Julia Teal married 6 Sept. 1856 by H. Conant, JP. http://www.familyhistory.com/messages/ShowMsg.asp?id=2168337 Subject: Re: Julia Teal Navarre Creation Date: 4/24/01 7:14AM From: Created By: "geogorsuch@buckeye-express.com".GWIA.SMS Mail Domain My primary interest has always been the Gorsuch Family and beyond some of the descendants of Mose (ours) and Isadore (spelling in our records) Navarre, I know little else. However, if you have any questions at all, I would be happy to respond. I grew up in E. Toledo and graduated from Waite High School. Only returned to Toledo about 6 years ago after a lifetime away. I was astonished to find that Peter Navarre's cabin had been removed from Navarre Park. I'm not quite certain what the descent is from Robert de Navarre to Peter and Francois. Also, I'm not sure exactly who Francois, father of Isadore-Isidore who married Mary Gorsuch was. George Gorsuch @ Perrysburg, Ohio 8:47 PM 4/25/01 10:52 AM 4/26/2001 Hi Marshal, I found a garbled message from you on my machine this morning. I have a hearing problem to the extent that I have difficulties with telephone conversation and need the repetition of some words. Better to write or use email if you want my undivided attention. I did three volumes on the Gorsuch Family for my kids. It would have been nice to have traced the Navarre connections backward but...well...I didn't. Now at 72, I am putting my notes in boxes for storage. As I said, I really never identified Francis Navarre, father of the Isadore Navarre that married my great aunt Mary Gorsuch. I did have trouble because there were two Isodore Navarres floating around at that time but marriages, civil war records and children straightened that out for me. As for Mose Navarre who married Julia (DeShanaway) Teal, He came and went. I never had any idea of his exact origins but I always assumed that he came with the rest of the Navarres form the River Raisin area of southern Michigan. From what little I know, it seems to me that many of the Navarre French scouts married Indian Women. It also looks to me like the DeShanaways came from Nova Scotia. Looking at an ancient picture of Grandma Julia Navarre, you could make a case for her looking part Indian. My uncles certainly like firewater and couldn't handle it too well. This is not my area of expertise. I was just messing around on the internet a few nights ago and decided to see what I could find out about Moses Navarre./George -------- Sorry about the garbled phone message. I kept getting beeps and didn't know when the answering machine stopped recording. E-mail is fine. I would like to do two things. Work on 1. Moses for now and 2. his descendants so that I can get him you into my database. The Scout Brothers did indeed have children by some Indians. One of the scout brothers was Anthony Navarre and he had children by Manga an Indian woman of the Ottawa tribe [some records say Pagano, but as Bettajoyce Chio points out this is just Latin for Pagan]. They had at least 3 children according to baptismal records reported to me though I have not seen them: 1. Moses Navarre b. June 1830; bapt. June 17, 1833 St. Joseph's, Erie, Michigan [apparently named for his uncle Moses, bro. of Peter the Scout[oops, that is, his cousin Moses, son of Robert the scout]] 2. Mara Archangela Navarre b. Abt. 1832; bapt. June 17, 1833 St. Joseph's, Erie, Michigan d. October 17, 1891 Ottowa Co., Oh m. Peter Rumery 3. Peter Navarre [grand-nephew of the Scout] b. February 15, 1833; bapt. June 17, 1833 St. Joseph's, Erie, Michigan I think it quite likely that this is your Moses as he would have been 26 at the time of the marriage to Julia Teal. Questions: 1. Julia: do you have any more info on the DeShanaways? Who was Teal? a previous marriage of Julia's? 2. Moses and Julias children: Have you found names of all the children of Moses and Julia? I have Odin's Death Certificate so knew of him but didn't know how he fit in. 3. Can you provide me with the lineage from Odin to you. I would eventually like to add the Gorsuch line at least back to Isadore's marriage. Once you help me piece these together we may be able to confirm that Moses is the son of Anthony. I do have a photo of an Isadore that looks very much like an indian. By the way, I am a descendant of Robert Navarre, Peter the Scout's older brother and co-namesake of Navarre Park. regards, Marshall 12:31 PM 4/26/2001 Thanks for your prompt response, this may shift focus to namesake Moses I refered to. He was born May 17, 1815 son of Robert Hutro Navarre and Susan Moore. I mispoke before. This other Moses (son of Robert H.) would be a cousin of the Moses (son of Antoine) not his Uncle, but nevertheless some 15 years his elder. I do not have much on this Moses about his death marriage or children. When you get moved in tell me more about how you descend from Moses and Julia. I'll ask my friends, but I only know of Moses Navarres from the Scout Brothers line. thanks, Marshall >>> 04/26/01 12:02PM >>> We are moving computers and printers around this lovely spring day. Thanx for the information. However Julia (DeShanaway-Pelky-Teal-Navarre) was born in 1816. That would have made her 40 at the time of the marriage in 1856. Still possible but few 26 year old men marry 40 year old women. (Although plenty of 40 year old men marry 26 year old women when they can.)Now that I think about it, I have no death record on Moses Navarre. That would make or break the case. The genealogy section of the Toledo-Lucas County Library has been relocated during new library construction. Doubt if I can find out much at the moment./George 3:04 PM 4/26/2001 This, of course, is not our Moses but interesting and will go in my Moses file: http://epiphyte.libofmich.lib.mi.us/CensusImages/Roll691/313R.pdf 1870 MI Census Frenchtown Aug. 12, 1870 369/370 Navarre, Alexander 74 M W Farmmer Lucy, 23 F W Keeping House Ellen 06 F W Moses 17 M W Farm Laborer 4:09 PM 4/26/2001 Mail Envelope Properties (3AE87FCD.37D : 9 : 29565) Subject: Re: Julia Teal Navarre Creation Date: 4/26/01 4:03PM From: "bettajoyce chio" This is Robert & Suzanne's son. Do you have it? Mois (Moses) Navarre married Lucia Derode in Erie-Warlop, MI on 3 Nov. 1836. (Monroe Marriage Records, P.111 E.S.) These are handwritten records are are difficult to read. ********************************************************* "SPECULATION:1840 Federal Census for Oregon Twp., Lucas Co., Ohio list a Moses Navarre between the ages of 20 and 30 living there. Age given for wife is between 20 and 30 and there are two children listed under 5 years of age, 1 boy and 1 girl. These ages would fit, so I think I have the correct person. He is listed as a farmer. There is 1 male between the ages of 70 and 80 living with them." From my notes for the above Moses. This might be incorrect. Good thing I LIKE mysteries. Julia really got around, 3 marriages! Thanks for keeping me up to date. How's Lucia feeling? Bettajoyce ========== Mail Envelope Properties (3AE875D3.35D : 2 : 29533) Subject: Re: Julia Teal Navarre Creation Date: 4/26/01 3:23PM From: Created By: "geogorsuch@buckeye-express.com".GWIA.SMS Mail Domain Well, you asked for this. I took a section from the footnotes of Chapter 6 of my Gorsuch Family to explain my relationship to Julia Navarre, my great grandmother, and Moses Navarre. I'm not technically related to Moses Navarre as you will see if you read far enough. My father's mother maiden name was Harriet Champion before her marriage into the Gorsuch Family. Her mother was Julia Pelky. If is was ever Champion, I don't know about it.. Here is how it worked: My grandmother, Hattie Gorsuch's mother was born Julia DeShanaway on 6 June 1816 in the Village of Maumee, Ohio. According to her death certificate, she was the daughter of John DeShanaway from Canada and Mary (Burch) DeShanaway who was born in Michigan. Noted in Blade obituaries are also Louis DeShanaway born in Maumee in 1818 (probably Julia's brother) Julia DeShanaway married William Pelky circa 1834 becoming Julia Pelky. Children of this marriage were Emily, Mary, Fanny, and William. Emily was probably oldest since she married Timothy Rod in 1851 and died the earliest in 1912. She could have been born as early as 1835. From her obituary, we know that Mary was born in 28 April 1837. Fanny was born was 24 October 1839 according to her death certificate. This document also identifies her mother as Julia DeShanaway and her father as William Pelky. I have yet to uncover information on the demise or egress of William Pelky, Sr. Julia Pelky or Champing (at age 34 years) had a new daughter, Hattie, who was born in 28 January of 1850. I suppose that it is logical to believe that a W. Champing (name on Harriet's death certificate) came into Julia's life about 1845 but I have no evidence yet of a marriage. (There is the question of why daughter Hattie married Moses Reynolds at the age of 14 years under the name of Hattie Pelky on 16 July 1864, and three years later, married Russell Gorsuch under the name of Hattie Champing. Did Julia ever marry W. Champing? On 6 July 1851, mother Julia Pelky married Levi Teale becoming Julia Teale. There are no known issue from this marriage and it didn't last long either. This was sixteen months after Hattie Champing's birth. So either Julia wasn't married to Champing or he left (or died) and she reverted to the name Pelky. One might speculate from this that W. Champing was with the widow Julia Pelky from 1845 until 1850 leaving Julia pregnant. Julia decided to marry sixteen months after her daughter Hattie was born. No one talked about the name of Hattie's father. Levi Teale died or left. No record of death has yet been found. On 6 September 1856, Julia Teale at age 40 years married Moses Navarre. Julia became Julia Navarre and that remained her name for the next 56 years until 20 February 1912 when she died at home in Maumee at the age of 95 years. She was buried in Lot 297 of Riverside Cemetery near Maumee, Ohio. There is no stone. It may have been washed away in the destructive, winter flood of 1981. I am told that many old head stones were disrupted and moved by ice. According to her obituary in the Blade, Russell's diary, and notes from cousin Eulalie Ward, there was one issue from this Julia's marriage to Moses Navarre. This was Odin N. Navarre born 11 August 1857 (according to his death certificate) when Julia was forty-one years old. Odin Navarre was first married to Mary Coder, granddaughter of Levi Coder, on 15 August 1887 in Lucas County, Ohio. According to later divorce documents, Odin Navarre left Mary Coder on 13 November 1889, and, in October of 1893, she sued him for divorce, charging neglect, absence for over three years, and lack of support. She desired her maiden name back and custody of their son, Arnold. (#34774) The divorce was granted. Ode N. Navarre, described as a 36 year old traveling man, married 19 years old Treva Tryon, seamstress of Benton Harbor, Michigan in Lucas County on 6 September 1899. Ode Navarre's father was stated in the marriage record to be Moses Navarre and his mother's maiden name was recorded as DeShanaway. (Finding this record marked my first knowledge of Julia's maiden name) Noah's bride's father was Morris Tryon and her mother's maiden name was Willard. They were later divorced. The Toledo phone book in 1923 lists: Ode N. Navarre, books, 908 Monroe Street. In the family, Ode was known as Noah or Uncle Nude according to Cousin Eulalie. On his death certificate, however, he is called Newt. So the N in the name stands either for Noah or Newt. Both names are in his records. He died on 27 November 1926 of chronic interstitial nephritis at age 69 years in the Lucas County Hospital. He was survived by a sister (Fanny) and a son according to the Blade. At the time of his death, he was described as "a proprietor of second hand furniture and book store" His address was 131 Michigan Street. Noah was said buried in Woodlawn Cemetery according to the Blade but I couldn't find the plot. His death certificate also states that he was buried in Woodlawn Cemetery. Arnold Navarre, son of Newt and Mary, was born on 2 September 1887 in Lucas County, Ohio. He lived his entire life in Maumee, Ohio (Lucas County) and never married. He was a butcher. When he died, he had been living in the Patten Test Home on Ashland Avenue in Toledo, Ohio for over one year. He died of a stroke. -Julia Navarre was survived by Ode Navarre (son), Mrs. R.B. Gorsuch of Toledo (daughter) Mrs.Timothy Rod of Morris (daughter), Illinois, Mrs. Charles Josenhans of Chicago and later Toledo (daughter), Mrs. Fanny Phillips (daughter) and William Pelky of Maumee. (son) Picture of Noah Navarre is attached. I imagine the date is circa 1890./G. 9:38 PM 4/28/01 http://www.mlloyd.org/gen/navarre/robertr.htm ====================== His wife Theresa is not on the 1850 census for his family. So, I've always thought she died before then. Last child I have for the two of them was born 1836. Do you think he married again? I got my children & grandchildren info from p. 891, Dennison. His age is correct, but where did those other people come from do you think? I have had that census page for a while, but could not place him. PLEASE HELP!! 1850 Federal Census, MI, Monroe Co.: Navarre, Alexis P. head, age 56 Edward, age 23 Xavier, age 21 Narcis, age 19 Fanny, age 14. This would indicate that his wife had died before 1850. ?? ====== Message #50 Friday, April 06, 2001 Subject: Mary Valiquette m. Felix Courchaine Posted by: Marshall Davies Lloyd Message: Can you tell me who this Mary Valiquette is who married Felix H. Courchaine? I have several Valiquettes in my tree already and, while researching the Courchaine family of Port Clinton, have suddenly come across a Mary Valiquette. I would like to link her up to the main line. According to the 1910 census index she would have been born about 1861 in Ohio. Married, 24 May 1881, Felix H. Courchaine, son of Benjamin and Monica (Navarre) Courchaine. Monica was the daughter of Robert Hutro Navarre, brother of Peter the Scout of the war of 1812 fame. Felix was a Civil War vet and he and Mary had 3 children: Lavinia F. Courchaine b. abt 1886 Isadore F. Courchaine b. abt 1888 and Lewis A. Courchine b. June 1, 1893 2 Friday, April 27, 2001 Subject: Mary Velliquette Posted by: Kathy Mulligan Wiseman Message: Mary (5/22/1860 - 7/17/1934)was the daughter of John Baptiste and his third wife Theresa (her first husbands' name was Minch). She is the younger half sister of Toussaint Isidore. Kathy 8:50 AM 5/2/2001 Subject: Brenda Jo Navarre Creation Date: 5/1/01 7:43PM From: "bettajoyce chio" Created By: "bettacj@globalbiz.net".GWIA.SMS Mail Domain Hope you are feeling better. I received the SSDI report for above. Her parents were Homer Otto Navarre and Josephine Harriet Surpenan. She was living at 2206 Walnut St., Toledo when she made her application and was 13 years old. Her birth and death dates match a gravestone I have, but I'll have to find her parents to know where she belongs. I think she is part of the Bono William Navarre family. They have a son named Homer, but I have Joseph for a middle name. Matching gravestone says Warren H. Navarre, Chip, b. 27 Jan 1955, d. 21 July 1998--beloved son and brother. Her's says MOM on a floral piece that was there when I took the picture. Stone says beloved mother & daughter (18 Mar 1960-2 Dec 1993). She either married a Navarre or was a single mother. But, obviously, not Chip's mother. There are always more mysteries! Will send a copy when I get more of them. Bettajoyce 9:33 AM 5/3/2001 Subject: Re: Julia Teal Navarre Creation Date: 5/2/01 5:14PM From: I'll have to reply in bits and pieces. Might save you a lot of time to find volume 3 of Gorsuch.(My modest effort)There is a copy at the DAR Library. ------ Title: Gorsuch : a family history / by George Edward Gorsuch. Author: Gorsuch, George Edward For similar materials, try: Gorsuch family Other Information: Publisher: [S.l.] : The Author, 2001. Description: 2 v. : ill., coat of arms, facsims., maps, ports. ; 28 cm. Location: FAMILIES GORSUCH GORSUCH ------ Julia DeShanaway was born in Maumee, Ohio (Lucas County) on 6 June 1816. There is a record of a Louis DeShanaway born in Maumee on 17 June 1818. I have always presumed that this was Julia's brother as he lived and died in Maumee and so did she. Louis married a German girl (b. Hanover, Germany circa 1821) called Maria and they had three sons as far as I can tell. Their second son was John DeShanaway born circa 1846. This is probably your man. He served in the Union Army and died in San Diego 25 November 1924. He was survived by a number of married aughters./I'll look at your next question./George -2- I don't know a whole lot about the Isadore Navarre of our family except that he married my grandfather's sister, Mary Gorsuch on 20 September 1865 in Maumee. There were issue. Mary died before 1891 since she is not mentioned in the record of administration of her father. A Mary N. Navarre did die in Toledo between April of 1884 and 1885 and I guess this was her. There were two Isadore Navarres running around Lucas County at that time. Ours died on 9 January at the age of 73 years and is buried in Forest Cemetery. Other records offer conclusive proof that there was a second Isadore Navarre, possibly a cousin, living in Lucas County during the same period. This Isadore Navarre was born in Erie County on 18 June 1840. According to his Union Army records, he spoke mostly French and broken English. He served as a private and cook in company E of the 100th Infantry Volunteers from 1862 through half of 1865. He eventually contracted a serious gastrointestinal disorder (possibly Crohn's disease), which lead to his discharge in Greensboro, NC in June of 1865. This condition was quite debilitating and lead to his death. He married a French girl, Rosalie Prud'hommme on 3 June 1871. There is an 11 April 1872 death record of infant Navarre, child of Isadore Navarre and Rose Perdon. Other children from this marriage were: Francis, b. 30 December 1873, Joseph, b. 13 December 1874 and Bruno, b. 27 January 1878. (Other names mentioned in his widow's pension request include Charles and Clarence or Clorina) This Isadore Navarre died 18 March 1904 and was buried in Calvary Cemetery. Rose survived until 1922./G. -3- Re: Russel B Gorsuch in the 1910 census Yes, Uncle Al. His real name was Harry Alva Gorsuch. Russell died in 1915. Frank and Al both had a friendship with John Barleycorn and both had troubled marriages. I guess the boys went home to find someone to take care of them. Odd but my cousins from these two mention uncles are outstanding people. Uncle Frank's daughter was a teacher and librarian with two Master's degrees, her son was a national known TV news anchorman. My Cousin Rachel, Uncle Al's great granddaughter. is at OSU with an academic scholarship. There were many other children including my father, George A. Gorsuch, MD, who was born 13 July 1873 in Genoa, Ohio. (I wasn't born until 1929 in his third marriage) I brag on this as I am one of the very few people that I know that has a grandfather who served in the Union Army during the Civil War./G. -4- Perhaps I forgot to mention. We were in contact with Mrs. Joseph Navarre (many years ago) who was married to the grandson of our Isadore Navarre. She said that the father of Isadore was Francis There are many Navarres in this area of NW Ohio but none directly descended from the line of our Isadore. Captain James Navarre was the former Chief of Police. His son, Danny Navarre is a well known intrepid police detective. I believe the present Chief of Police is Mike Navarre, another son of James./G. -5- In 1868, my great grandfather, Dr. Lemuel L. Gorsuch and his son-in-law, Isadore Navarre signed a petition to incorporate Genoa, Ohio as a village. Lemuel's son (my grandfather) moved there in 1871./G. PS: This is about 12 miles from Toledo. -6- Click here: John Gorsuch in Maryland and Ohio I think that you have everything right if I understand genealogy chart data. (And I'm not sure that I do...) Anyway, W. Champing came after Pelky. Is that what you said?/G. 11:06 AM 5/3/2001 1:40 PM 5/3/2001 "bettajoyce chio" Re: George Gorsuch This kind of fits with what George sent for the 'other' Isadore (#2 question/answer). I've had this in my research file for a while. I had the dc for Rose Navarre, and info for Joe D.'s wife etc., but couldn't connect it. Do you have this dc for Rose? Joe D.'s wife died in 1915, so I find it unlikely that he interviewed HER. He said Joe's wife said Isadore's father was Francis. Could it be she was referring to HER father? And there was a miscommunication? Joe D. was not a grandson of Isadore. Rose was born Erie, MI and he says Isadore was born Erie Co., but gives no state. Could It be Erie, MI, not county? I know this raises more questions than it answers, but the last names are so similar in pronunciation that I can't help but wonder. I've seen it spelled the way he spells it and is probably the correct French spelling. Comments?? __________________________ Francis PRUDUM Born, Vienna, MI Children: 1 Bernice (Betsy PRUDUM Born- 1841 Place-Vienna, Monroe CO., MI Spouse- Joseph D.NAVARRE 2-Name-Henry PRUDUM -1535 3-Rose PRUDOM Born- 15 Apr 1850 Place-Erie, Ml Died- 17 Sep 1922 Place-Toledo Bur-- 20 Sep 1922 Place-Willow Cem.,Toledo,Lucas CO.,OH OH dc for Rose Navarre: her address- 226 Elgin, Toledo; husband, Isadore, a widow, born Erie, MI, died @ age 72 yrs, 5 mos, 2 days, b. 15 Apr. 1850, d. 17 Sept 1922, father Francis Predom. Buried from Hoefflinger Funeral Home on Platt St. 4:06 PM 5/3/2001 Subject: Re: Isadore again Creation Date: 5/3/01 3:54PM From: I guess I was rushing to dinner or something when I wrote that. Our Isadore died on 19 January 1906 at age 73. Isadore, Mary and two boys were listed in the 1880 census. Lemuel Lane Navarre was born in 1866 and Russell B. Navarre in 1868. Pearl R. Navarre was born 22 December 1876 but apparently did not survive infancy or childhood. In 1882, Isadore was a baker living on Erie Street and Mary ran a boarding house at what I guess is the same address or upstairs or something. Lemuel Navarre was listed in the 1880 census as a boy of 14 yrs and was noted on the Record of Administration of his grandfather, Lemuel in 1891. Not otherwise traced except that he was listed as a musician boarding on St. Clair Street in the Polk directory that year. The 2nd son of Isadore and Mary was Russell Bernhart Navarre. He was a retail fish dealer and his obituary is in the Blade issue of 24 August 1946. The OB said that he was one of the oldest members of the Peter Navarre Family. Is that true? This RB Navarre had two sons. From your vast knowledge, can you tell me who our Isadore of Francis Navarre was? I mean his descent down the Navarre line. It looks to me like all of the Navarre men had 15 children. If I can get a clarification, I can add your opinion to the next edition of my book although I probably will get to it./G. 9:04 PM 5/3/01 1850 Census Oregon Twp. p. 91 1298/1324 adjacent to Robert R. Navarre and Susan Moore [son and widow of Robert the scout] who are next to Joseph Navarre Francis Navarre 31 M Hunter OH Cieret? 28 F MI Isadore 9 M MI Victoria 6 F MI Victor 2 M MI ====== LUCAS COUNTY, TOLEDO OHIO DEATH INDEX, 1894-97 The county seat of Lucas County, Ohio, the City of Toledo was home to over 131,000 people by 1900. This database contains 7,388 names from the Toledo Health Department, Death Records Index, 1894-97. Each record contains the person's name, date of death, age, and page number for the original death record. Copies of the death record can be obtained from the Toledo Health Department. Information on the Death Record would also include: nativity, address, place of interment, burial permit #, cause of death, occupation, and length of residence in the City. *NOTE: this index lists all persons who died between birth and one year of age, as age 0. In addition, there are a small number of persons who are listed as age 0 when the age was unknown, usually for someone who died elsewhere and was buried in Toledo. For example, there is one person listed as age 0 who was originally buried in Monroe Co., MI, then brought by her husband to be buried in Toledo 16 years later. Source Information: Boyd, Barbara, comp. "Toledo, Lucas County, Ohio Death Index, 1894-97." [Database online] Orem, UT: Ancestry, Inc., 2001. Taken from: "Center of Archival Collections, Bowling Green State University, Bowling Green, OH, Microfilm # 7. "Toledo Board of Health, death record index 1894-97, records 1868-88" Toledo, Lucas County, OH, 1894-97 To search this database, go to: ------ Thursday, May 03, 2001 Subject: Mary Valiquette Posted by: Ernie Valiquette Message:Hi, Mary Valiquette Born May 2,1860 in St. Joseph of Toussaint, Ottawa Co. Ohio Baptized on June 29, 1860 is the daughter of John-Baptiste Valiquet and Marie-Therese Minch. Mary and felix married on May 24, 1881 in Ottawa co., Ohio. If you require more info fee free to contact me at ejvaliquette@home.com ==== The age of THIS Isadore matches the b. date of 1840 for Isadore the vet [a.k.a. Isadore #2, Isadore in the Toledo Portraits, husband of Rose]. The record below is from an old hand-written note of mine so some of it could be wrong but if you have access to the census for 1850 page 90 had listed Peter the Scout [family 1320], I didn't record family 1321, then family 1322 is Joseph Navarre then 1323 is Robert R. then next door we have this fellow at 1324. I can't read the wife's name. What do you make of this Francis? Robert Hutro and Susan (Moore) Navarre's son Francis was born 29 Jan 1819 but was married Mary Beaubien. This Isadore shouldn't be George Gorsuch's Isadore because this one [according to the age of 9 in the 1850 census] was the vet and married Rosalie Prudhommme. here is the record ==== 1850 Census Oregon Twp. p. 91 1298/1324 Francis Navarre 31 M Hunter OH [should be born abt. 1819] Cieret? 28 F MI Isadore 9 M MI [the vet was born 18 June 1840 Erie; I think then this is Erie MI not Erie county] Victoria 6 F MI Victor 2 M MI 3:04 PM 5/4/2001 2:08 PM 5/5/2001 NOTES (from my genealogy file): "The 1840 Federal Census for Oregon Twp., Lucas Co., OH lists a Francis Navarre between the ages of 20 and 30 and he is married to a female between the ages of 15 and 20. Newlyweds? Age category fits for this Francis. He is listed as a farmer." Another possibility, from Stan Bourdo: He didn't know where this Francis belonged and asked me if I knew. Maybe now I do. "The 1850 Census, Oregon, OH (1324), Navarre, Francis, age 31, hunter, b. OH wife, Charet, age 28, b. MI Charlotte??? Isadore, age 9, b. MI Victoria, age 6, b. MI Victor, age 2, b. MI" Same as yours. But, he spells wife's name as above. Quite a possibility! We have a Victor/Victoria in the family!! I'm so confused, I'll believe just about anything!! Went to OH with Ken yesterday and had time to visit Elliston Cem. Found B. (eulah) Marilyn (Ford) Navarre's gravestone. Had the complete b & d dates. Born, 25 Sept 1933 and died 5 Sept 1998. Also found Ken's great grandparents. I can't tell you how many times I've looked. They are not near anybody in the family--either side, Chios or Robinsons. Also found they had a daughter who died at age six that no one knew about! I found a groundskeeper who has worked there for many years and he knew exactly where they were. And he told me where the office is located. It is off site and I'd never have found it on my own. NEXT time, I'll know where to go for help. (The stones were erected after the OTCO genealogy went through the cemetery and they did not use records, only gravestones. Dumb. So, they are not listed in their book, although they were buried well before 1976.) So, I had time to go to Oakwood Cem. Ken's sister is buried there. Stumbled (literally) on Esther, Fred G. and Gladys Navarre's stones! Don't know who they are, but I got em!!! Esther 1915-1977 Fred G. 1904-1983 one stone and a matching one for Gladys M. 1909-1931 Maybe Fred and Gladys are brother/sister and Esther is his wife. None of them are in my files. I'll look later today on your web site. Later-- Bettajoyce 10:12 AM 5/9/2001 Information on Leila Beale, wife of William Navarre/son of Richard Navarre and Caroline Mominee taken from her SS application. Leila Navarre living at 642 E. Broadway, Toledo, OH on 24 Oct 1944, the date she applied. Unemployed, parents, Clifford Beale and Ida Lamphire. Leila was born in Montgomery, Alabama on 2 Jan 1906. Clifford Beale is deceased. SS# 295-24-3621 Just arrived today. Went into you Louis Andre pic file. I copied some. I really like the pic of Alice and the kids. All Navarres seem to look alike. Did you ever hear from Charles Faneuff? Where is daughter #2? Born or is Lucia still carrying her around?? Best wishes! Bettajoyce ------- 8:52 AM 5/12/2001 TODI is downloaded! Thank you. Rec'd these today. Navarre, Clayton Thomas, b. Monroe 11 Apr 1900 parents, Thomas Navarre and Hattie Godfrey SS# 292-07-0696 ------- Navarre, Ralph James, b. Toledo, Lucas Co. 21 Mar 1917 parents Francis William Navarre and Marie Ethyl Egan SS# 299-05-0666 -------- Navarre, Albert Houston, b. Elm Grove, W. Virginia, Ohio County parents, Harland Robert Navarre and Rosie Elizabeth Corbin presently living @ Marietta, OH SS# 280-10-4949 More mysteries!! Bettajoyce 9:03 PM 5/13/01 did a line by line search and I found this in the TODI file: Phanenff, Emma, 02 Oct 1897, age 25, p. 129 I'm so excited I can hardly contain myself!!!!! I think this is my Grandmother Emma. Everything fits but the name. If it is her, it is no wonder I couldn't find her. I've looked under both spellings of the last name, but the 'n' would make a big difference. Probate clerks would never look for it spelled this way. Esp, Toledo because they aren't very helpful anyway. Ken's grandmother's name was spelled Chil, not Chio and a helpful reference volunteer at the OH Historical Society found that one for me. I'll be sending copies of the SS Applications when I receive all of them plus the dc I sent for. NOTHING from them! I, too, have seen the WV references. I did a search on my files, but it didn't come up. But, I'll keep looking. It must be in my notes and that part doesn't participate in the 'search files' on my software. It may be in the dc, but I didn't look there yet. I found more promising info on my Navarre and also other family files from the TODI. Just finished the editing this morning so haven't had a chance to do look ups. Also made a BU! I can't thank you enough for providing this database! There are a lot of duplicates, did you notice? One day when I run out of things to do, I'll edit that part, also. Which will probably be never. Mary Gorsuch is on there. --------- Dennison, p. 316-317. Archange, daughter of John Baptiste HUS dit Cournoyer and Archange Huyet dit Champagne. Although Dennison doesn't say so, she married Henry Chauvin (Shovar), ref. p, 272 #32. His eldest daughter, Cornelia, not listed in Dennison married Moses Perry. My Notes: "Information on this family provided by Stan Bourdo, Curtice, OH. Information from Henry Shovar family bible, courtesy of Beatrice Perry, Mar 1994. (This info includes wife's name, children and most dates.) *1900 Federal Census, OH, Lucas Co. Jerusalem Twp.: Henry Shovar is living with the Moses Perry family. Son-in-law Moses is the head, daughter Cornelia, wife. [This is Henry's oldest daughter] Sons Nelson (19) and Albert (17) Joseph Navarre brother-in-law, born Jan 1816, OH Philip Navarre, nephew, born Apr 1846, OH Henry, Joseph and Phillip are widowers. 1920 Federal Census, OH, Lucas Co., Jerusalem Twp. Shovar, Frank, head, age 67 Catherine, wife, age 63 Lucas Co. Cemetery Book: Frank and Kate Shovar buried Oakwood Cemetery, Jerusalem Twp.: Frank 1852-1935 Kate 1855-1946 Picture on file. Mathilda married David Rumery. Information provided by Robert Perry, Antioch, CA [Frank and Mathilda are children listed in the bible. There are others.] Toledo, OH death records, p.151: [TODI] Mary Shovar, died 24 Feb 1894 at age 74." -------------------------- Clotilde Mary Hus dit Cournoyer (reference p.316) married Joseph Platt Navarre, born 1814. Among other children,they have a son Joseph (Phillip?), born 1846 I know the census says they were born OH, but we don't have many Navarre births in OH in 1814-16. The census taker could have been VERY confused with this family. I know I am stretching it, but since we've not been able to ID these two, I think it might be a possibility. I had been trying to find a relationship in the Perry/Shovar family file for a long time. What do you think? Should I hang on to this theory or trash it? Am I making myself clear in this speculation? I just reread it and I'm not sure I understand what I'm trying to say. When you have time, Bettajoyce Downloaded and successfully translated! Thank you. I'll let you know if the address is correct when I hear from them. He told me to send the pertinet info to: Probate Court 700 Adams St. Toledo, OH 43406. Attention: Mary. And a check for $4.00 1:37 PM 5/15/2001 9:19 AM 5/21/2001 I know you have other (better) things to think about just now, but I was doing this and thought I'd send it while I'm thinking about it. I bought the inscription book and the death record books from the OTCO Genea. Society. They come in handy. Wasn't there someone who you were corresponding with concerning the Courchaines? If you think s/he'd like to have this--send it. I double checked everything I put in my notes, so it is reliable info. Some I can't ID, but maybe someday. I put astericks beside those I found in my files from you. I hope all of you and the NEW baby are doing well. Also pray that she sleeps! What an exciting time. Love to you all, Bettajoyce ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Death Records From Probate Court, Ottawa Co., Ohio 1869-1908, pps 19 & 20 Couchaine, Benjamin*, d. 4 Jan 1870 @ age 67 y. Vol. 1, p. 2 Eliza, d. 19 Oct 1869 @ 24y. Vol 1 p. 1 Samuel E., d. 22 Nov 1874 @ 26y., single, Vol 1, p. 22 Courchain, James H. d. 20 Feb 1876 @ 22y, male Vol 1, p. 26 Courchaine, Hattie, d. 23 Jan 1881 @ 23y. 2m 32d, Vol 1, p.45 Monica*, d. 19 Feb 1903 @ 84y, 5m, 5d, widow, Vol 1, p. 35 ----------------------------------------------------------------- Cemetery Inscriptions of Ottawa County, Ohio, prepared by the Ottawa County Chapter of the Ohio Genealogy Society. 1970-1976 LAKEVIEW Cemetery, Port clinton, OH: p.23: Rows 7 & 8, Section B Clarence Rogers, 1883-1901* James (father), 1852-1928* Isabell (mother) 1855-1945* [Courchaine, dau of Felix] Benjamin Courchaine, died Jan 4 1870 at age 67 years Monica, 1819-1903 [Navarre, dau of Robert Hutro] Hattie, died Jan 23 1881 at age 23 ------------------------------- Handlon, Fannie, died Jan 26 1891 [buried between these Courchaines] ------------------------------- Courchaine, George, died May 10 1870 at age 9 years Samuel, died Dec 1873 at age 26 [different from death record] James, died Feb 5 1876 at age 23 [This date is different than death record date.] ------------------------------- P. 26 Rows 17 & 18, Section C Courchaine, A. W. (Co. I 41 Ohio Inf) no dates [Andrew W.; CW vet Co I 41 OVI] ------------------------------- P. 38, Rows 3 & 4, Section H Courchaine, Ida M.* (Mother) 1858-1934 [Ida Speaker, Mrs. Daniel] Daniel* (GAR Marker) 1842-1914 [b. December 21, 1842 d. April 26, 1914; CW vet C 2 OH Cav; Ottawa Co., OH DC Vol. 1353 Cert. 24443] ----- ----- Courchaine, Ada R.* (dau of EC & JA), 1893-1895 Josie A.*, 1863-1949 [Josephine Friedmann] Edward C.*, 1866-1924 ********* RIVERVIEW Cemetery, Port Clinton, OH P. 61, No Rows or Section given. Courchaine, Lewis A., born June 1 1893, died July 9 1969 [s/o Felix H.] (WW I Ohio Pvt Co D 114 Eng-VFW marker) P. 63 Courchaine, Theresa M. born Oct 30 1882, died June 1 1957 2:34 PM 5/21/2001 Here are my findings at the Ohio DC index http://www.ohiohistory.org/dindex/index.cfm COURCHAINE, LEWIS A County Name: Ottawa County Date of Death: 7/09/1965 Volume Number: 18143 Certificate Number: 55617 Age of Death: 72 Years City of Death: Port Clinton Marital Status: Divorced COURCHAINE, DANIEL B County Name: OTTAWA Date of Death: 4/26/1914 Volume Number: 1353 Certificate Number: 24443 COURCHAINE, FELIX H County Name: OTTAWA Date of Death: 8/11/1924 Volume Number: 4530 Certificate Number: 46468 COURCHAINE, IDA M County Name: OTTAWA Date of Death: 9/11/1934 Volume Number: 769 Certificate Number: 56546 COURCHAINF, MARY [Mary Valiquette] County Name: OTTAWA Date of Death: 7/16/1934 Volume Number: 7575 Certificate Number: 45543 9:13 PM 5/21/01 From: To: Marshall Lloyd Date: Monday - May 21, 2001 8:57 PM Subject = from the Web sender's name = Patricia Arce e-mail address = Message = I'm not sure I understand how the links work on your site, but I found a Eliza Monnett married to Joseph Boyer(I have the spelling as Boyeau). They are my great-great grandparents and one of them is related to Peter Navarre and I am trying to make the connetion. I will be in Toledo next week and plan to do some geneology work. What ever you can tell me would be a great help. (I already know Eliza(born in Canada) and Joseph (born in Detroit)were married and had at least my great grandmother, Emma Boyer(Willette) who was born in Waterville, Ohio. Thanks for your time. Pat 1:10 PM 5/23/2001 3:50 PM 5/23/2001 Lillian Stewart Navarre 1889 - 1965 Lillian Stewart Navarre was born April 5, 1889 in Frenchtown Township, the daughter of Mr. and Mrs. Alexander Stewart. She married George R. Navarre June 26, 1918. 9:15 PM 5/23/01 Early French families of old detroit http://www.geocities.com/histmich/frenchfamilys.html Peters John Navarre Macomb 1882 1951 2 455 41 http://www.rootsweb.com/~txdonley/citizen4.html Citizens Cemetery, Clarendon, Donley County, Texas (M-P) Submitted by Paula Hayworth also http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/f/a/y/Elizabeth-Fay/BOOK-0001/0009-0134.html?Welcome=990667665 Sender: roots-in@bw-3.rootsweb.com Looking for info: Marguerite Prudhomme Laquelle married Joseph Solomon Cazelet-Casselay-Causley ========================== Peter Geraux dit Brindamour II married Mary Cazelet-Casselay-Causley Children of Peter and Mary: Charles Bristol dit Brindamour married Lucy Perry Ball Children of Charles and Lucy: Charles Leroy dit Brindamour married, Mary Ann Brevoort, 16 feb 1836, Detroit, Michigan she was the d/o Henry Bregaw Brevoort and Catherine Navarre. Children of Charles and Mary 1. Henry Brevoort b abt 1838 2. Alexander Macomb b 22 Mar 1840 3. John Isaac Devoe b 16 Mar 1845 4. Catherine b 28 Aug 1846 5. Mary Frances b 28 Dec 1848 6. Elias Leroy Macomb Dr. b 26 Nov 1851 7. Charles Bristol II, b 27 Sep 1853 Happy to share. Maxine Harris Shannon http://www.usgennet.org/usa/mi/county/tuscola/det/detbre-bro.htm http://www.usgennet.org/usa/mi/county/tuscola/det/ THE BOOK OF DETROITERS A Biographical Dictionary of Leading Living Men of the City of Detroit Edited by Albert Nelson Marquis Chicago A. N. Marquis & Company 1908 Copyright, 1908 by Albert Nelson Marquis Pages 77 – 79 Page 78 BREVOORT, Henry Navarre, lawyer; born, Grosse Ile, Mich., Apr. 3, 1848; son of Henry (Jr.) and Jane (Macomb) Brevoort; educated in public schools of Detroit and private school of W.O. Bacon, Detroit; married at Metropolis, Ill., Apr. 21 1898, Neele E. Davis. Engaged in merchandise business at Denver, 1870-71; engaged in mining in Utah, 1871-73, and built a quartz mill; came to Detroit and entered law Office of Van Dyke, Brownson & Moran and was admitted to bar, Nov. 4, 1874; has been engaged in practice in Detroit since 1874 and also developed a lucrative fire insurance business. Prosecuting attorney Wayne Co., 1877-81; circuit judge, 1887-93. Democrat. Catholic. Office: 7-8 Campau Bldg. Residence: Pasadena Apts. http://www.macomb.lib.mi.us/mountclemens/lregister.htm L'Anse Creuse Register Father G.J. Boheme http://www.rootsweb.com/~ctnewlon/OakArcadiaCem4.htm TRUMBULL, ? (unreadable) wife Alexandrine Navarre, d/o William & Ann MACOMB http://www.htnews.com/archive/228/obits/obits.html MAJEL BINNING-NAVARRE Majel W. Binning-Navarre, 95, of Ann Arbor, formerly of Hamburg died on Feb. 24 at Chelsea Retirement Community. Mrs. Binning-Navarre was born on Jan. 1, 1901, the daughter of Harry and Mildred (Green) Whitlock in Hamburg. Mrs. Binning-Navarre graduated from Ann Arbor High School in 1917 and from Michigan State Normal College in 1919 and taught at Winans Lake School for several years following. She was the Past President of American Legion Ladies Auxilary, a member of Kings Daughters and a Gold Star Mother. Majel was preceded in death by her first husband, Ira Navarre in 1948, and her second husband, Fred Binning in 1972. Also preceding her in death was a son, Norbert Navarre. Surviving are three children, Neilan Navarre of Gaylord, Nelson Navarre of Ann Arbor and Doyle Navarre of Ann Arbor. Services were held on Feb. 27 at Bell-Borek Chapel, Rev. Carl Welser officiating. Burial was at Hamburg Cemetery. Donations suggested to Chelsea Retirement Community. Envelopes are available at Bell-Borek Funeral Home in Hamburg. http://www.usgennet.org/usa/vt/state/1812/payroll19.htm bare walls $23.00 27.5 x 18.8 in http://www.artist-doug-carpenter.i12.com/silhouette_art/silhouette-pages/silhouette-barewalls.htm http://www.chicago-scots.org/clubs/History/Newsletters/Oct97-4.htm Scottish-Am Hall of fame rivard home page http://www.gendex.com/users/mickey/rivard/index.html 10:01 PM 5/24/01 9:27 PM 5/25/01 2:56 PM 5/30/2001 11:59 AM 6/4/2001 1880 ohio census Census Place: Toledo, Lucas, Ohio Source: FHL Film 1255043 National Archives Film T9-1043 Page 134A Relation Sex Marr Race Age Birthplace Isadern NAVARRE Self M M W 39 OHIO Occ: Keeps Bakery Fa: CANADA Mo: OHIO Mary NAVARRE Wife F M W 34 OHIO Occ: Keeps House Fa: MASS Mo: MASS Lemuel NAVARRE Son M S W 14 OHIO Occ: In Chg Goods Store Fa: OHIO Mo: OHIO Rupell NAVARRE Son M S W 12 OHIO Occ: Goes To School Fa: OHIO Mo: OHIO Burt ADAMS Other M M W 34 N.Y. Occ: Keeps Bakery Fa: N Y Mo: N Y Nellie ADAMS Other F M W 32 MICH. Occ: In Bakery Fa: --- Mo: --- Bertha ADAMS Other F S W 5 OHIO Fa: --- Mo: --- Willie ADAMS Other M S W 4 OHIO Fa: --- Mo: --- Christina KIRSCHMER Other F S W 18 OHIO Occ: Clerk In Bakery Fa: GERMANY Mo: GERMANY Hubert SERVIN Other M S W 34 GERMANY Occ: Baker Fa: --- Mo: --- John KELLEY Other M S W 22 OHIO Occ: Baker Fa: --- Mo: --- Jake O'GEE Other M M W 67 OHIO Occ: Baker Fa: --- Mo: --- Nellie O'GEE Other F M W 22 OHIO Occ: Assts In Bakery Fa: --- Mo: --- Libby HUNT Other F S B 19 OHIO Occ: Domestic Servt Fa: --- Mo: --- Census Place: Toledo, Lucas, Ohio Source: FHL Film 1255043 National Archives Film T9-1043 Page 113D Relation Sex Marr Race Age Birthplace Chs. MOLOSH Self M M W 48 CANADA Occ: Laborer Fa: CANADA Mo: CANADA Ellen MOLOSH Wife F M W 39 CANADA Occ: Keeping House Fa: CANADA Mo: CANADA Julia MOLOSH Dau F M W 20 MCH. Occ: At Home Fa: CANADA Mo: CANADA Henry MOLOSH Son M W 18 CANADA Occ: Laborer Fa: CANADA Mo: CANADA Francis MOLOSH Dau F S W 12 OHIO Occ: At School Fa: CANADA Mo: CANADA Louis MOLOSH Son M S W 9 MCH. Occ: At School Fa: CANADA Mo: CANADA Willie MOLOSH Son M S W 7 MCH. Fa: CANADA Mo: CANADA Rena MOLOSH Dau F S W 2 OHIO Fa: CANADA Mo: CANADA Albert NAVARRE BroL M M W 2 11:23 AM 6/6/2001 More on the Isadore Navarre file: I found in the 1880 Census the following Census Place: Oregon, Lucas, Ohio Source: FHL Film 1255044 National Archives Film T9-1044 Page 167A Relation Sex Marr Race Age Birthplace Joseph NAVOR Self M M W 64 MI Occ: Farmer Fa: MI Mo: MI Mary NAVOR Wife F M W 51 MI Occ: Keeping House Fa: MI Mo: MI Joseph NAVOR Son M S W 17 OH Occ: Farm Hand Fa: MI Mo: MI Josephine NAVOR Dau F S W 16 OH Occ: At Home Fa: MI Mo: MI Esedore NAVOR Son M S W 12 OH Occ: At Home Fa: MI Mo: MI This should be Joseph J. Navarre b. January 27, 1817 s/o Robert Hutro and Susan Moore wife Mary Beaubien and son Joseph Navarre b. July 22, 1863 listed elsewhere with her husband Samuel Navarre is Philisa/Felisa/Felicia b. September 22, 1842 There was a Julia Ann Navarre b. abt 1848 and a Felix b. Abt. 1839? These youngest two are new to me and gives us yet another Isadore in the Toledo area. This family lives next door to Moses Perry. 11:19 AM 6/7/2001 According to the Fasset book pps. 249-250 Robert T. had a daughter, Suzanne, who married a man named Burgoyne. They had a daughter Hattie. The census taker wasn't paying a lot of attention when he did this one. Think the Burgoin might be connected? He has DeKays as Navarres, so maybe Bugoins are relation and not 'other'. Wonder where Mariette DeKay is [mdl: see Harett [prob. Marett for Maryette] under Rancin Fassit [i.e. Ransom Fasset]]. I thought she was the oldest. According to above reference they had five sons, none named Frank, but they did have one named Fred. Cora Belle was the youngest dau. Thanks for sharing all this stuff with me. Bettajoyce mlloyd: Found George and Kathran. Wonder why the children aren't with them? Joesphine DeKay is George's Sister right? I think she is pictures in Fasset's book and was a spinster school teacher. I'm not at home so I don't have the book with me. Census Place: Oregon, Lucas, Ohio Source: FHL Film 1255044 National Archives Film T9-1044 Page 174D Relation Sex Marr Race Age Birthplace George DECAY [Dekay] Self M M W 44 NJ Occ: Farmer Fa: NJ Mo: NJ Kathran [Navarre] DECAY Wife F M W 43 MI Occ: Keeping House Fa: MI Mo: MI Josephine DECAY Dau F S W 21 OH Occ: House Work Fa: NJ Mo: MI From: Marshall Lloyd To: SMS Mail Domain.GWIA."bettacj@globalbiz.net" CC: SMS MAIL DOMAIN:[aol.com]:dalesredd Date: Thursday - June 7, 2001 2:36 PM Subject: Josephine d/o George DeKay AND sister of Geo. Jr. Josephine IS the dau. of George, she just also had a brother George. I had mis-remembered. Her photo is on p. 163 of Fassett's. That she was the d/o Geo. and had a brother Geo. see p. 250. What threw me was that I had remembered seeing the image of an awared to Geo. DeKay on page 163: "Her brother, George DeKay, received a reward of merit, given by his teacher, Hattie Clark." 2:38 PM 6/7/01 From: "bettajoyce chio" To: Marshall Lloyd Date: Friday - June 8, 2001 9:36 PM Subject: Freimark FYI: Freimark It is spelled as above on Bill and wife Pearl Perry's gravestones. I'm not trying to pick, but we might as well get it correct. Something the census taker didn't do!! I know a French accent can be a thing to try a person's skills, but they COULDN'T HAVE SPOKEN ENGLISH THAT BADLY. And especially the Fassett family would have 'talked good English'. Ha. ha. Haven't gotten to the Snider family yet. If I'm thinking of the right Julia, all her kids had weird first names. These don't seem that bad except for Holey. Maybe I've got my Julias mixed up. I've been copying the particular census for a family and pasting the info directly into the notes. Don't know if it saves time, but it definitely saves typing. I like your listing at the end of the census. Good Man There! It is 9:30 and I've got to get off this computer. I've alternated outside work, shopping and inputting info all day. But it kept me from getting too tired of any one project. I HATE to shop. Now, I'm just plain tired. Hope the new little one is sleeping at night. Take care. Bettajoyce [mdl: Freimark/Friemark don't close the door on either spelling for the family generally. There are both spellings in the Toledo/Maumee area phone book. Nationally there seem to be far more Freimarks] PEARL FREIMARK SSN 279-44-4190 Residence: 43469 Woodville, Sandusky, OH Born 16 Dec 1876 Died Aug 1970 Issued: OH (1963) WILLIAM FREIMARK [not pearl's husband but let's keep track] SSN 292-07-9356 Residence: 48161 Monroe, Monroe, MI Born 28 Mar 1900 Died Nov 1980 Issued: OH (Before 1951) You mention Bill and Pearl's epitaph. Can you tell me where they are buried? Now that you have given me the correct spelling, I found Pearl and Bill in the 1910 census as well and have put them on the 1910 page: William Freimark Age: 37 State: OH Color: W Enumeration District: 0021 Birth Place: Ohio Visit: 0127 County: Lucas Relation: Head of Household Other Residents: Relation Name Age Birth Place Wife Pearl 33 Ohio Dau Ruth 12 Ohio Son Leroy 09 Ohio Dau Olive 07 Ohio Dau Leona 06 Ohio Son Dorel 03 Ohio Son Merrel NR Ohio 12:35 PM 6/9/01 Gravestones Read: Mother Pearl C. Freimark 1876-1970 --- Father William Freimark 1872-1947 ---- Two separate stones, Elliston Cemetery, Elliston, Ottawa Co., OH ----------- From my notes: 1900 Federal Census, Lucas Co., Jerusalem Twp., 27 June 1900: William Frimark, age 27, born Dec. 1872, OH, married 3 years wife Pearl, age 23, b. Dec 1876, OH, mother of 2 living children daughter Ruth M., age 2, b. Feb. 1898 Second child is not listed. [mdl: Leroy was not born until 1901, no 2nd. child between Ruth and Leroy by 1910 census] This family is living next to Moses Perry and family. ------------------------ Do you know WHO James Navarre married to Angeline=Selestain (Celestine?), Kate and Ida Navarre as children is? Now, that is a well worded sentence! But, do you know? Also Ezadore Navarre married to Rose doesn't have ANY of the children that I have. I think we got that from George Gorsuch. Or am I looking at the wrong Isadore? I couldn't find another one that fits in MY database. [his Isadore m. Mary Gorsuch still no established father Rosalie????] The Synders were sure a trip to put together!! Bettajoyce 12:23 PM 6/10/01 Bettajoyce, You asked about the 1880 census: "Ezadore Navarre married to Rose doesn't have ANY of the children that I have. I think we got that from George Gorsuch. Or am I looking at the wrong Isadore? I couldn't find another one that fits in MY database." mdl: his Isadore m. Mary Gorsuch but yes he sent us info on the PrudhommeIsadore as well George wrote: Subject: Re: Julia Teal Navarre Creation Date: 5/2/01 5:14PM From: ". . .Other records offer conclusive proof that there was a second Isadore Navarre, possibly a cousin, living in Lucas County during the same period. This Isadore Navarre was born in Erie County [mdl this is probably Erie MI] on 18 June 1840. According to his Union Army records, he spoke mostly French and broken English. He served as a private and cook in company E of the 100th Infantry Volunteers from 1862 through half of 1865. He eventually contracted a serious gastrointestinal disorder (possibly Crohn's disease), which lead to his discharge in Greensboro, NC in June of 1865. This condition was quite debilitating and lead to his death. He married a French girl, Rosalie Prud'hommme on 3 June 1871. There is an 11 April 1872 death record of infant Navarre, child of Isadore Navarre and Rose Perdon. Other children from this marriage were: Francis, b. 30 December 1873, Joseph, b. 13 December 1874 and Bruno, b. 27 January 1878. (Other names mentioned in his widow's pension request include Charles and Clarence or Clorina) This Isadore Navarre died 18 March 1904 and was buried in Calvary Cemetery. Rose survived until 1922."] Bettajoyce, what children do you have for Isadore and Rosalie? I have Francis, Joseph, and Bruno--from Geo. Gorsuch's comment. At any rate, Joseph S. appears in several of the censuses. Francis Xavier appears in Stan's notes on "ISIDORE" as well,see below. The date for Bruno does not fit with the "female, not named" in Stan's file. The census dates for two different Isadores appear to be both born about 1840 adding to the difficulty Other records offer conclusive proof that there was a second Isadore Navarre, possibly a cousin, living in Lucas County during the same period. This Isadore Navarre was born in Erie County on 18 June 1840. According to his Union Army records, he spoke mostly French and broken English. He served as a private and cook in company E of the 100th Infantry Volunteers from 1862 through half of 1865. He eventually contracted a serious gastrointestinal disorder (possibly Crohn's disease), which lead to his discharge in Greensboro, NC in June of 1865. This condition was quite debilitating and lead to his death. He married a French girl, Rosalie Prud'hommme on 3 June 1871. There is an 11 April 1872 death record of infant Navarre, child of Isadore Navarre and Rose Perdon. Other children from this marriage were: Francis, b. 30 December 1873, Joseph, b. 13 December 1874 and Bruno, b. 27 January 1878. (Other names mentioned in his widow's pension request include Charles and Clarence or Clorina) This Isadore Navarre died 18 March 1904 and was buried in Calvary Cemetery. Rose survived until 1922./G. here are some of the problems: I. "The Prudhomme Isadore" b. abt. 1840; according to military records "The CW vet Isadore" was born A. the 1880 Census Census Place: Oregon, Lucas, Ohio Source: FHL Film 1255044 National Archives Film T9-1044 Page 177B Relation Sex Marr Race Age Birthplace Ezadore NAVAR Self M M W 40 OH [1840] Occ: Farmer Fa: OH Mo: OH Rose NAVAR Wife F M W 38 OH [1842] Occ: Keeping House Fa: OH Mo: OH Eugene NAVAR Son M S W 8 OH [1872] Occ: At School Fa: OH Mo: OH Ritchard NAVAR Son M S W 6 OH [1874] Occ: At School Fa: OH Mo: OH Rose NAVAR Dau F S W 4 OH [1876] Fa: OH Mo: OH --------- B. 1900 Soundex [from mdl notes taken at National Archives] Isadore Navarre June [1840] 59 OH Rose Apr 1845 MI Joseph S. Dec 1875 OH Charles Apr 1876 OH Eli Jun 1880 OH Clarence Mar 1884 OH Emma May 1884 OH ---------- C. Stan's notes info from St. Louis Catholic Church Records, E. Toledo Isidore Navarre b. 16 Jun 1840 CAN d. 19 Mar 1904 bur. Calvary Cem. Toledo OH m. 3 Jun 1871 Toledo, OH Rosalie Prudhomme (Rose) b. 15 Apr 1850 OHIO Erie MI d. 17 Sep. 1922 Toledo Ohio bur. Willow Cem, Oregon, OH FA: Francis Predom children: 1. Francois Xavier b. 30 NOV 1873 Toledo, Lucas, OH 2. Joseph b. 13 DEC 1874 Toledo, Lucas, OH 3. Jean Baptiste b. 19 MAR 1875 Toledo, Lucas, OH 4. Eugene b. 1872 Toledo, Lucas, OH "of Denver, CO" 5. Rose b. 1876 Toledo, Lucas, OH 6. Clarence R. b. 3 MAR 1884 Oregon, Lucas, OH m. Freda Johnson 17 dec 1906 Toledo 7. Richard b. 1874 8. Ernest b. 13 JUN 1882 Oregon Twp, Lucas, OH 9. Gilbert b. 2 JUL 1886 Oregon Twp, Lucas, OH 10. Mary b. 24 OCT 1881 Oregon Twp, Lucas, OH 11. Fem. not named b. 21 JAN 1878 Oregon Twp, Lucas, OH =============== II. "The Gorsuch Isadore" b. [Geo. Gorsuch says] abt. 1834 but 1880 census says also abt. 1840 I am 100% positive this is the Gorsuch Isadore. Mary's father was a Lemuel and her brother was Russell. They were from MA. Census Place: Toledo, Lucas, Ohio Source: FHL Film 1255043 National Archives Film T9-1043 Page 134A Relation Sex Marr Race Age Birthplace Isadern NAVARRE Self M M W 39 OHIO [abt. 1840] Occ: Keeps Bakery Fa: CANADA Mo: OHIO Mary [Gorsuch] NAVARRE Wife F M W 34 OHIO [abt. 1846] Occ: Keeps House Fa: MASS Mo: MASS Lemuel NAVARRE Son M S W 14 OHIO Occ: In Chg Goods Store Fa: OHIO Mo: OHIO Rupell [Russel]NAVARRE Son M S W 12 OHIO Occ: Goes To School Fa: OHIO Mo: OHIO =============== III. "The SOULE Isadore" also marries a Mary. FHL Film 0410261 Marriage records, 1818-1934; record of licenses and permits, 1815-1828, Huron County, Ohio Ohio. Probate Court (Huron County) (Main Author) Microfilm of manuscript records at the Huron County courthouse, Norwalk, Ohio. Isadore NAVARRE Sex: M Marriage(s): Spouse: Mary SOULE Marriage: 25 Aug 1885 Huron, Ohio ------- Isadore NAVARRE Birth Date: 23 Jul 1910 Death Date: May 1975 Social Security Number: 388-03-4992 State/Territory Where Issued: Wisconsin Death Residence Localities ZIP 53207 Localities: Bay View, Milwaukee, Wisconsin Milwaukee, Milwaukee, Wisconsin Saint Francis, Milwaukee, Wisconsin Does anybody have any bright ideas. I guess I'll keep most of this in pencil. Please send me any records you cross with an Isadore in it. Eventually it may make sense. Marshall 5:26 PM 6/10/01 9:23 PM 6/10/01 9:59 PM 6/10/01 11:31 PM 6/10/01 9:00 AM 6/20/01 Census Place: Monroe, Monroe, Michigan Source: FHL Film 1254596 National Archives Film T9-0596 Page 487D Relation Sex Marr Race Age Birthplace Sylvester NAVARRE Self M M W 49 MI Occ: Farmer Fa: MI Mo: MI Zoa NAVARRE Wife F M W 44 MI Occ: Keeping House Fa: MI Mo: MI Isadore NAVARRE Son M S W 17 MI Occ: At Home Fa: MI Mo: MI Willie NAVARRE Son M S W 15 MI Occ: At Home Fa: MI Mo: MI Mary NAVARRE Dau F S W 13 MI Occ: At Home Fa: MI Mo: MI Hattie NAVARRE Dau F S W 11 MI Occ: At Home Fa: MI Mo: MI Louis NAVARRE Son M S W 7 MI Occ: At Home Fa: MI Mo: MI Girtie NAVARRE Dau F S W 4 MI Occ: At Home Fa: MI Mo: MI Duffie NAVARRE Son M S W 2 MI Occ: At Home Fa: MI Mo: MI -------- Census Place: Raisinville, Monroe, Michigan Source: FHL Film 1254596 National Archives Film T9-0596 Page 560C Relation Sex Marr Race Age Birthplace Alex NAVARRE Self M M W 50 MI [Denissen p. 896] Occ: Laborer Fa: MI Mo: MI Ann E. NAVARRE Wife F M W 45 OH [Anne Elisabeth Berthelet] Occ: Keeping House Fa: PA Mo: PA John A. NAVARRE Son M S W 23 MI Occ: Laborer Fa: MI Mo: OH Frank NAVARRE Son M S W 21 MI Occ: At Home Fa: MI Mo: OH Eugene NAVARRE Son M S W 18 MI Occ: At Home Fa: MI Mo: OH Clarrisa NAVARRE Dau F S W 16 MI Occ: At Home Fa: MI Mo: OH Mary C. NAVARRE Dau F S W 14 MI Occ: At Home Fa: MI Mo: OH James W. NAVARRE Son M S W 11 MI Occ: At Home Fa: MI Mo: OH *Sylvester NAVARRE Son M S W 6 MI [abt. 1874] Fa: MI Mo: OH Alexander NAVARRE Son M S W 5 MI Fa: MI Mo: OH Charles NAVARRE Son M S W 2 MI Fa: MI Mo: OH --------- Census Place: Monroe, Monroe, Michigan Source: FHL Film 1254596 National Archives Film T9-0596 Page 492A Relation Sex Marr Race Age Birthplace Joseph NAVARRE Self M M W 37 MI [Joseph J. is this b. 28 nov 1843 Denissen p.896 s/o #30 Francis, Robt. Hutro's son] Occ: Farmer Fa: MI Mo: MI Ellen NAVARRE Wife F M W 34 MI [Ellen Robert] Occ: Keeping House Fa: MI Mo: MI Willie NAVARRE Son M S W 7 MI Occ: At Home Fa: MI Mo: MI Nellie NAVARRE Dau F S W 6 MI Occ: At Home Fa: MI Mo: MI ---------- From: "bettajoyce chio" To: Marshall Lloyd Date: Monday - June 18, 2001 12:37 PM Subject: gravestones I found the following when cemetery walking the other day. Don't know any of them and I checked your database and you don't have them either. Thought you might want them for future use. I did find some for a Gary Bushaw who is working with Floyd Chio and HE was thrilled. Guess maybe it was 'do a good deed day'. Woodland, Trinity Lutheran and Zion Lutheran are all in a row off 4th St. I'd never been there before. Found the index at the Monroe Co. Lib. and decided to go there. Woodland has a sign calling it the Historic Woodland Cemetery. There were a couple Navarres listed at Woodland that I could not find. It was really hot and I gave up and went for lunch. Stopped for a visit at St. Joe's on my way home and found the ones I listed. You would not recognize the Monroe Historical Museum! Someone gave them money to open the second floor and make a nice archival lib. complete with real file cabinets and tables etc. I took a peek at it and will go back to research one day. They close for lunch 1-1:30 and I got there just before 1:00. I was tired and didn't feel like hanging around. That is when I toured St. Joe and then headed for home. You probably will think I am crazy, but I just drive around to say hi to my ancestors and always spot a Navarre grave that I didn't see before. Brings to mind that early on Joan was with me one day looking for Navarres and her family. We didn't find many of hers, but she kept finding Navarres and would call out--Here's another one. We were both exhausted from all the walking and running! (Another HOT day) But, I ended up with two 36 rolls of film taken. I sure do miss her. We had so much fun together. We would encourage each other, let's do just ONE more row! Got a lot of work done that way, in the sates and Canada, too. Well, I degress. Here is what I found for us. WOODLAND CEM., MONROE Sylvester L. Navarre, 1873-1960 Theresa Navarre, 1875-1933 Next to each other, same design on stone -------------------------------------- ZION LUTHERAN CEM., MONROE Fred J. Navarre, 1858-1940 Agnes F. Navarre, 1861-1957 Same Stone ---------- Harold W. Navarre Aug. 8, 1899 Ý Apr. 25, 1992 -------------------------------------- ST. JOSEPH CEM., MONROE Ellen Robert, wife of Joseph J. Navarre [stone is corroded from here on] 1886 --------unreadable 46 Ysd 2 m,s ------- Amelia E. Navarre 1844-1934 ------ Joseph J. Navarre 1841-1919 All three on same four sided stone, 4th side unreadable. ------------- ST. JOSEPH CEM., MONROE F. James Navarre 1907-1978 Ruth B. Navarre 1910- F. James and Ruth are in the new part. I think they had a sale on plots a couple years ago. Because there are a lot of stones with no one listed as dead on them! They are in long rows in one section. Later-- Bettajoyce ========1880 I had wondered why I couln't find any Courchaines in Ottawa in the 1880 census. I Looked up all Felixes in Ottawa to find them under COUCHANG! Here they are and some in-laws to boot. I don't know why Monica is listed as Sallie! Yet another one for the AKA field. Its Lucia's Bday today. We're heading out to Wmsburg for the day in a min. Just a quick note. Marshall 1. COUCHANG, Sallie Self <1820> F W Bir: MI Cen: OH Ottawa PortCinton 2. COUCHANG, Daniel Other <1843> M W Bir: OH Cen: OH Ottawa PortCinton 3. COUCHANG, David Other <1843> M W Bir: OH Cen: OH Ottawa PortCinton 4. COUCHANG, Andrew Son <1845> M W Bir: OH Cen: OH Ottawa PortCinton 5. COUCHANG, Felix Son <1846> M W Bir: OH Cen: OH Ottawa PortCinton 6. COUCHANG, Fannie Dau <1853> F W Bir: OH Cen: OH Ottawa PortCinton 7. COUCHANG, Kattie Dau <1858> F W Bir: OH Cen: OH Ottawa PortCinton 8. COUCHANG, Emma Dau <1860> F W Bir: OH Cen: OH Ottawa PortCinton 9. COUCHANG, Edwin Son <1866> M W Bir: OH Cen: OH Ottawa PortCinton Census Place: Enumeration District 68, Port Cinton, Ottawa, Ohio Source: FHL Film 1255056 National Archives Film T9-1056 Page 421D Relation Sex Marr Race Age Birthplace 1. Sallie COUCHANG Self F W W 60 MI [Monica b. September 15, 1819] Occ: Keeping House Fa: FRANCE Mo: CANADA 4. Andrew COUCHANG Son M S W 35 OH [Andrew B.] Occ: Printer Fa: CANADA Mo: MI 5. Felix COUCHANG Son M S W 34 OH [Felix H. b. May 1846] Occ: Sailor Fa: CANADA Mo: MI 6. Fannie COUCHANG Dau F S W 27 OH Fa: CANADA Mo: MI 7. Kattie COUCHANG Dau F S W 22 OH [Hattie] Occ: Sewing Fa: CANADA Mo: MI 8. Emma COUCHANG Dau F S W 20 OH Occ: Seamstrass Fa: CANADA Mo: MI 9. Edwin COUCHANG Son M S W 14 OH [Edward C.] Occ: At School Fa: CANADA Mo: MI ----- Census Place: Enumeration District 68, Port Cinton, Ottawa, Ohio Source: FHL Film 1255056 National Archives Film T9-1056 Page 425C Relation Sex Marr Race Age Birthplace Siga MORGAN Self M M W 22 OH Occ: Works In Saw Mill Fa: --- Mo: --- Mary MORGAN Wife F M W 19 OH Occ: Keeping House Fa: --- Mo: --- Isa BODI Nephew M S W 7 OH Fa: CAN Mo: OH Mathias JENSON Other M S W 21 SCHLESWIG Occ: Works In Shoemaker Shop Fa: SCHLESWIG Mo: SCHLESWIG Christian M. DAVIS Other M S W 23 SCHLESWIG Occ: Works In Shoemaker Shop Fa: SCHLESWIG Mo: SCHLESWIG George WIGGLE Other M S W 18 OH Occ: Works In Shoemaker Shop Fa: HANOVER Mo: HANOVER 2. Daniel COUCHANG Other M S W 37 OH Occ: Printer Fa: CAN Mo: MI Charles RICHARDSON Other M S W 16 OH Occ: Clerck Fa: SCHLESWIG Mo: SCHLESWIG Martin HESSELBORT Other M S W 15 OH Occ: Clerk In Store Fa: BADEN Mo: BADEN James FOLLIOTT Other M S W 36 CAN Occ: Laborer Fa: ENG Mo: ENG James YENSON Other M M W 30 SCHLESWIG Occ: Laborer Fa: SCHLESWIG Mo: SCHLESWIG Richard YENSON Other M W 24 OH Occ: Laborer Fa: SCHLESWIG Mo: SCHLESWIG Christena SORRENSON Other F W W 83 SCHLESWIG Fa: SCHLESWIG Mo: SCHLESWIG ----- Census Place: Enumeration District 68, Port Cinton, Ottawa, Ohio Source: FHL Film 1255056 National Archives Film T9-1056 Page 421C Relation Sex Marr Race Age Birthplace Henry CLEVEN Self M M W 29 HANOVER Occ: Fisherman Fa: HANOVER Mo: HANOVER Caroline CLEVEN Wife F M W 23 OH Occ: Keeping House Fa: UNKNOWN Mo: OH William CLEVEN Son M S W 5 OH Fa: HANOVER Mo: OH Belle E. CLEVEN Dau F S W 3 OH Fa: HANOVER Mo: OH 3. David COUCHANG Other M W W 37 OH [7 houses away] Occ: Sailor Fa: CANADA Mo: OH ------- Census Place: Catawba Island, Ottawa, Ohio Source: FHL Film 1255056 National Archives Film T9-1056 Page 462A Relation Sex Marr Race Age Birthplace John SPEAKER Self M M W 58 OH Occ: Fruit Grower Fa: MD Mo: VA Rebecca SPEAKER Wife F M W 50 OH Fa: PA Mo: PA Mary E. SPEAKER Dau F S W 30 OH Occ: Dressmaker Fa: OH Mo: OH Margaret J. SPEAKER Dau F S W 25 OH Fa: OH Mo: OH George SMITHES Other M ... --- Fa: --- Mo: --- Ida SPEAKER Dau F S W 20 OH [Mrs. Daniel B. Courchaine] Occ: School Teacher Fa: OH Mo: OH Lillia SPEAKER Dau F S W 15 OH Fa: OH Mo: OH Harley J. SPEAKER Son M S W 13 OH Occ: Farmer Fa: OH Mo: OH Norman SPEAKER Son M S W 10 OH Fa: OH Mo: OH Alma SPEAKER Dau F S W 8 OH Fa: OH Mo: OH ===== Census Place: East Clinton, Ottawa, Ohio Source: FHL Film 1255056 National Archives Film T9-1056 Page 428A Relation Sex Marr Race Age Birthplace Therisa VALIGUETTE Self F W W 65 FRANCE Occ: Keeping House Fa: FRANCE Mo: FRANCE John MINCH Son M W 33 OH Occ: Laborer Fa: BAVARIA Mo: FRANCE Mary VALIGUETTE Dau F W 19 OH [Mrs. Felix H. Courchaine] Fa: MI Mo: FRANCE ======= Census Place: Put-In Bay, Ottawa, Ohio Source: FHL Film 1255056 National Archives Film T9-1056 Page 454A Relation Sex Marr Race Age Birthplace Casper SCHMIDT Self M M W 57 FRANKFORT Occ: Grape Grower Fa: FRANKFORT Mo: FRANKFORT Dorathea SCHMIDT Wife F M W 56 WEISBADEN Fa: WEISB. Mo: W. B. Caspar REINDLE Other M S W 22 BADEN Occ: Laborer Fa: BADEN Mo: BADEN Joseph FISHER Other M S W 24 BAVARIA Occ: Laborer Fa: BYRAN Mo: BYRAN John HECK Other M M W 47 BADEN Occ: Laborer Fa: BADEN Mo: BADEN J. FREIDMAN Other F S W 16 BADEN [Josephine Mrs. Edward C. Courchaine] Occ: House Servant Fa: BADEN Mo: BADEN Casper KING Other M S W 6 OH Fa: NY Mo: HASSEN 9:14 AM 6/20/01 From: "bettajoyce chio" To: Marshall Lloyd Date: Friday - June 22, 2001 10:36 AM Subject:Re: Gertrude Navarre Terrilliger I had written to M.E. and thanked her. I think she got the info from the Oregon-Jerusalem Museum/Lib. Since I told her she filled in gaps for Gertrude she went back and made better copies. But the essentials were there. The 50th anniversary sounds right to me. I see a number of 50s in the paper this time of the year around here. I am so far behind on genea. that it will be a awhile before I respond to what you have sent me recently. So please don't think I haven't appreciated the census info you sent. 1870 Federal Census, MI, Monroe Co., Frenchtown Twp. MI Federal Census, on line Navarre, Alexander, age 40, occupation Prop. of Saw Mill Elizabeth, age 31, keeping house, born PA (?) Albert, age 14 Frank, age 11 Eu (?)gene, age 8 Clarrisa, age 6 Catherine, age 4 Willis, age 1 Fits with 1880's additional info from you! Thanks. Hope you all enjoyed Williamsburg. All your 'girls' are ganging up on you with birthdays!! Bettajoyce ---------- >From: "Marshall Lloyd" >To: >Subject: Re: Gertrude Navarre Terrilliger >Date: Fri, Jun 22, 2001, 9:36 AM > >Thank you. I have been trying to find my "F. W. Terwilliger." Now I know >it is Francis W.! > >The 1893 Momenee school photo is great! What is the source for that page. >From the text it seems that Zoe (Momenee) Navarre, my uncle Eddie's owned >the original photo. Sally Wiser Cousino may then know of the whereabouts >of the original. It would be great if we could obtain the original photo >for a scan. Since the article mentions Pearson Park, I assume it is after >1935. Since the article mentions Saturday April 10 possible years are: >1937, 1943, 1948, 1954 etc. But since they are talking about a reunion, >1943 would be the 50th reunion of 1893 and so seem a very likely date. An >interesting puzzle. Many of the names in the caption are familiar. Can >you give any clues to the other obits? Many of the names are unfamiliar. 4:11 PM 6/22/01 to: Smcousino@aol.com cc: clmesch@solarstop.net bettacj@globalbiz.net geogorsuch@buckeye-express.com Pathcpis@aol.com cigar@glasscity.net michaelsoh@aol.com metafix@hotmail.com mprzysiecki@yahoo.com Sally, Hope this finds its way to you. How was Florida? We are now a family of 4. Mary Livingston arrived May 16th at 7lbs 4oz. I would like you to check out, if you will, Uncle Eddie's [Edward Navarre] home page: http://www.mlloyd.org/gen/navarre/eddie.html Especially the last image. It's an article about a reunion of the class of 1893, Momeneetown School. There is a image with the article that has in it many of our relatives [Momenee, Ewing, Navarre], most prominent of which, top right, Mrs. Edward Navarre--that's Zoe! In fact, she is credited as the owner of the photo. Have you seen this photo anywhere? The article has a complete identification of everyone in the photo. It would be great to find the original to scan for the site. The image and article are online. I have no date for the article but I think it is on the occasion of the 50th reunion of the class. [April 10th fell on a Saturday (as stated in the article) in 1943] http://www.mlloyd.org/gen/navarre/text/1893mtown.html The articles text is as follows: CLASS OF 1893 TO ASSIST IN MOMENEETOWN REUNION Many of the boys and girls shown above, most of whom now are fathers and mothers themselves of even larger children, will attend a reunion of students of old Momeneetown School at Pearson Park Saturday, Aug. 10. The class shown above attended Momeneetown School in 1893. They are, left to right, front row, Edward Tierney, Rev. Arthur Dusseau, Herman Jacobs, Roma Momenee, Walter Navarre, Cornelius Dusseau, Joseph Abt and Fred Hofbauer; second row, Ada Condon, Joseph Bartley, Charles Shelles, Edward Momenee, Mrs. Rose Bartley, Mrs. Mabel Driftmeyer, Mrs. Violet Ewing, Mrs. Adolph Momenee, Mrs. Lena Myers, Miss Louise Clements and Mrs. Julia Hall; third row, the teacher, Miss Lily Muir; Miss Lucy Smith, Ernest Navarre, Joseph Navarre, Miss Josephine Fassett, now superintendent of Oregon Township schools; Mrs. Herman Jacob, Mrs. Jesse Cannon, Mrs. Wallace Momenee, Mrs. Flora Hoeflinger, Mrs. James McCormick and Mrs. Joseph Clement; back row, Mrs. Lulu Norton, Mrs. Riley DeCant, Mrs. Walter McGinnis, Mrs. Edward Gschwind, Mrs. Dan Nadeau, Mrs. Charles Shelles, Mrs. David Fahnstock, Mrs. Eva Springer and Mrs. Edward Navarre, owner of the above picture. ------ Let me know if you have seen it, or have any leads. deepest regards, Marshall Davies Lloyd From: "Mary Ellen (Claude) Schreiter" To: SMS Mail Domain.GWIA."Bettacj@globalbiz.net" CC: Marshall Lloyd Date: Friday - June 22, 2001 5:57 PM Subject: Terrilliger Just tried to reach March Young, President of the Oregon-Jerusalem Historical Society. However, if I remember correctly, both items were in a scrapbook that was donated by a Bourdo family. Assume that is the Stanley Bourdo family at Bono. There are many items of interest but those two rang a bell. Since the original is in such a bad condition, Martha made copies of every sheet and put them into another binder. Yesterday she made a copy of Obit and pasted it over the one that is incomplete. Also, every items on that page is dated 1948 so I concluded that Gertrude died on May 10, 1948. Tried to find under SS more info on Francis but none was available for either of them. Imagine group picture was 1943, however, it could have been in the "Sun" or any other local paper that was published at that time. Glad you appreciated same. 7:09 PM 6/22/01 12:10 AM 6/23/01 From: To: Marshall Lloyd Date: Friday - June 22, 2001 9:06 PM Subject: Re: 1893 Photo of Mrs. Edward Navarre Dear Marshall: Thanks for the info and website on Navarre descendants. If you will send me your snail-mail adress again, I will forward a copy of a paper Dennis Au and I gave at the French Colonial Historical Society Meeting in East Lansing and Detroit, MI, two weeks ago. It deals with the politics and intrigue at River Raisin between Francois Navarre dit Tchigoy and George McDougall, Jr. (cousin-in-law) as emissaries of General Anthony Wayne in their opposition to Rev. Edmund Burke, vicar general and superior of Indian missions in Upper Canada during the transition from British to American control (1794-1797). Regards, Pat Tucker Oregon, Ohio 11:16 PM 6/26/01 12:20 AM 6/27/01 From: To: Marshall Lloyd Date: Tuesday - June 26, 2001 6:51 PM Subject = from the Web sender's name = jaycee Message = I am looking for the true family history to ellen Navarre who was married to isaac williams could you help? trying to find their parents info. I am their great great great granddaughter. thank you jaycee From: To: Marshall Lloyd Date: Wednesday - June 27, 2001 11:57 AM [View] [Save As] 7:55 PM 6/27/01 I have a marriage cert.of my great grandmother who married edmond n. louzon and she is altia williams. It states on her marriage cert. that her parents are Issac Williams and Ellen Navarre. Altia Grace Williams was married on july 17 1909 and this was her first marriage and she was 18 and edmond was 23 dob for edmond is march 2, 1886 and Altia is june 17,1881. my grandmother was born out of wedlock and was born in sept of 1908. Isaac parents are Daniel louzon and Josphine sarra. I hope you can help thank you Jaycee ----- Sorry, I spoke WAY too soon. I have gone back to my grandmother's notes and realize my mistake. Ellen Navarre WAS married to Isaac Williams, Peter Daso, and Michael Gallagher. It was Irving Williams who was her son [not step-son as I mis-stated]. My grandmother has Altia with Geo. Spenser? This was in 1960. Can you walk me from your grandmother to you? Ellen is the sister of my great grandfather William Navarre. Have you been to my website? I can give you dates and ancestors for nearly all of Ellen's ancestors for several generations. Her father was Robert R. Navarre, son of Robert Hutro Navarre [Peter the Scout's brother and also scout of the war of 1812]. Her mother was Maria Archangele Navarre, dau. of Robert T. Navarre a cousin from Monroe. Where are you based? welcome, cousin! [I think 3rd cousin once removed] Marshall Davies Lloyd PO Box 158 444 Water Lane Tappahannock, VA 22560 804 443-94444 P. S. More to come, I need to digest the notes and send you a more complete listing, DC for Ellen, obituary etc. Toledo Blade January 28, 1966 page 7 Michael Gallagher Michael Gallagher, 93 of 916 Harding Dr., died today in Maumee valley Hospital. Born in Zanesville, O., Mr Gallagher lived in Toledo about 70 years. He was a retired employee of the Lucas County engineers department. Surviving are a stepdaughter, Mrs. Roy Linden, with whom he made his home; stepsons, Irving Williams, of Toledo, and Peter Daso, of Medina, O.; 13 grandchildren, 30 great-grandchildren. Services will be tomorrow at 2:30 p.m. in the Foth Mortuary, Jefferson Avenue. Burial will be in Willow Cemetery. Toledo Blade Sunday, October 27, 1925 GALLAGHER--ELLEN [NAVARRE] beloved wife of Michael Gallagher on Monday, Oct. 26, 1925 at the home of her sister, Mrs. Mary Walters 839 McKinley Ave., age 58 years. Funeral on Thursday, Oct. 29, at 2 P. M. from residence. Burial at Willow cemetery. Friends invited. Foth & Son. ------ From: To: Marshall Lloyd Date: Wednesday - June 27, 2001 5:20 PM Subject: Hi Marshall, Interesting reminder that you're working on the Cousino family. For all practical purposes, it's finished. Accurate (possibly); finished, yes. A few births to be added I suspect, however. I'll send you a copy. I have 2 computers here in Ohio jointly using a single printer. Since my return, I've had problems with connecting to my desktop (that's where the Cousino stuff resides). You have provided me with a new incentive to work through the bugs. I attended a funeral last week in Toledo for Frank Uher, married to Roger's cousin Ann Wolf Uher. The burial was at St. Ignatius Cemetery. I'm off to work on my printer problem now. Sally 9:25 PM 6/27/01 Why yes this does interest me. Let me look in to getting released from my school obligations etc. around that date. Do you have Judy Justus' article? I didn't get a copy. Did Larry manage to get to you the portrait of Peter I sent along to your school? regards, Marshall Davies Lloyd PO Box 158 444 Water Lane Tappahannock, VA 22560 804-443-9444 >>> 06/28/01 07:59AM >>> Subject = from the Web sender's name = Robyn Hage e-mail address = Message = Hi. My name is Robyn Hage and I am a teacher at Navarre Elementary School. For the past 7 years I have been in charge of organizing Peter Navarre Day for our school. Recently, a friend mailed me an article by Judy Justus about Peter Navarre which contained your website. While looking at your site, I realized you had a picture of Terry Breymaier with our students. The purpose of my email is to invite you to our celebration this year. It will be Friday, September 21 from 11:00 - 2:00 at Navarre Park. The students will be participating in many activities such as pioneer games and crafts, while learning about Peter Navarre. I haven't spoken with Terry yet, but I know that Larry Michaels will be there representing Peter. I have no idea if any of this interests you, but I wanted to make contact and let you know about it. Feel free to email back if you have any questions or would like more information. Maybe next year, you would like to particiapte in our special day. Thanks for your time. Robyn -------- Subject: Re: Ellen Navarre Creation Date: 6/27/01 9:05PM After edmond died my great grand mother married into the spencer family. (I need to check with my mother to find out his name. ) I think it was geo. My family goes like this my mother is Bonnie Ball who was married to Edward McGee her mother is Ila Mae Louzon and Father is Charles B. Ball. Ilas Mae Mother is Altia Grace Williams and Father is Edmond Louzon. Altia mother is Ellen Navarre and Father Isaac Williams. Have I lost you yet. Is Maria Archangele Navarre Indian or French? I know of a Peter Daso I read news paper clippings my mother has maybe I could get them from her and scan them for you I have photos of altia and other family info. I live in Fresno ca. at 1314 n adoline Fresno, CA 93728 559-233-9241 thanks a bunch jaycee ------ I am going over to my mothers today and i will get the photos of ellens daughter and other children and family. I will scan them and send them to you. I do have family tree maker and I will send that also. thank you much jaycee ===== 11:05 AM 6/28/2001 ALBERT LAUZON SSN 298-05-6318 Residence: 02650 North Chatham, Barnstable, MA Born 22 Apr 1897 Died Feb 1978 Issued: OH (Before 1951) DORIS LAUZON SSN 269-30-4395 Residence: 23430 Smithfield, Isle Of Wight, VA Born 6 May 1934 Died 18 May 1997 Issued: OH (1951) LAUZON MAURICE [only lauzon death listed for all oh 1913 - 1937] County Name: LUCAS Date of Death: 3/15/1932 Volume Number: 865 Certificate Number: 17913 LAUSON ANDREW County Name: CUYAHOGA Date of Death: 10/31/1913 Volume Number: 1193 Certificate Number: 57356 LAUSON GILFORD County Name: CUYAHOGA Date of Death: 5/6/1919 Volume Number: 2982 Certificate Number: 31831 LAUSON SARAH A County Name: CLINTON Date of Death: 11/27/1923 Volume Number: 4298 Certificate Number: 64052 LAUSON LOUISA County Name: HIGHLAND Date of Death: 2/19/1925 Volume Number: 4663 Certificate Number: 9168 LAUSON SYLVIA C County Name: SCIOTO Date of Death: 10/24/1932 Volume Number: 7035 Certificate Number: 10723 LAUSON JAMES A County Name: ADAMS Date of Death: 11/4/1933 Volume Number: 7340 Certificate Number: 60157 LAUSON ALTIE County Name: SCIOTO Date of Death: // Volume Number: 8331 Certificate Number: 79295 http://www.ohiohistory.org/dindex/ WILLIAMS ISAAC County Name: LUCAS Date of Death: 8/2/1917 Volume Number: 2350 Certificate Number: 53458 WILLIAMS HENRY County Name: LUCAS Date of Death: 5/5/1916 Volume Number: 1951 Certificate Number: 32867 WILLIAMS MAMIE M County Name: LUCAS Date of Death: 1/1/1914 Volume Number: 1271 Certificate Number: 3849 11:22 AM 6/28/2001 for courchaine 11:34 AM 6/29/2001 ankeney

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