.LOG Mrs. Robert M Anderson Phone: 703-858-7167 43164 Wintergrove Dr, Ashburn VA 20147-4438 rctta Robert Navarre Genealogy Greetings from Ashburn, Virginia; just outside of Leesburg. I am Constance E. Anderson, 7th generation Great Grand-daughter of Robert Navarre. My Mother is Elaine Navarre Taylor. I have been enjoying the Navarre Family Photo Gallery; and have been fascinated with the stories about my ancestors. I would love to know much more. My daughter Tara, will be 12 this month and she would like to join the organization C.A.R. with her friend who is also a member of the Children of the Revolution. Our direct ancestor, John Mary Alexis Navarre, was the younger brother of Mary Catherine Navarre Macomb. Since She and her husband leased their home to George Washington after he was inaugurated President in New York, I wonder if JMA Navarre had been involved in the Revolutionary War in any way. Or if Robert Navarre or Mary Lootman, their parents had any involvement. I know they had a son-in-law who was in the British forces. But since the Macombs were acquainted with George and Martha Washington, I was hoping our direct family line might still have a connection. My e-mail address is rctta@gateway.net If you have any further family records that might help me in my search, I would be very delighted. Thanking you sincerely, Connie Anderson ----------- sat jul 17 1999 I have been enjoying the Navarre Family Photo Gallery. I am a descendent of Robert Navarre and Mary Lootman. My 12 year old daughter would very much like to become a member of C.A.R.; and I wonder if you have any information that would connect Robert Navarre or his son John Mary Alexis to the Revolutionary War? We know that Mary Catherine Navarre and her husband Alexander Macomb leased their New York home to President George Washington. Do you have any data linking Mary Catherine's younger brother JMA Navarre to the Revolution? Also, the story of Alexander Macomb and Mary Catherine Navarre is very interesting. Can you tell us how they ended up as wealthy merchants in New York after leaving Detroit? Thank you for all the work you put into your wonderful website. It is such a delight and it is so much fun tracing our family genealogy. My e-mail address is rctta@gateway.net Constance E. Anderson Hello Cousin, Thank you for responding to my e-mail so quickly. I wish I owned a copy of Denisson's book on the Navarres. But I have only seen it at the DAR Library at Constitution Hall. We photocopied all of our line back up to Robert Navarre and Mary Lootman. We started with Robert Navarre who married Sophia VanHouten in 1843 in Monroe. Their son John B. Navarre is my Great Grandfather. My husband is an architect; and he was transferred to D.C. from Grosse Pointe two years ago. We love it here in Virginia, the winters are wonderful! If John Mary Alexis Navarre is your "Uncle" you must be descended from one of Robert Navarre and Mary Lootman's children. Is Mary Catherine Navarre Macomb your direct ancestor? You are so knowledgeable about your genealogy, how long have you been researching? It is very easy to get hooked on the fun of searching. I feel like I am reading a great novel, only the characters are real and they are related to me. Do you think the connection between Robert Navarre and George Washington would go back to the Revolutionary War. Did our family aid the Revolutionary forces in any way? My daughter Tara would be delighted to find out if we could join the Daughters of the American Revolution. I'll look forward to hearing more from you when you have the time. Thank you again for the information about the Macombs. Your distant cousin, Connie Anderson Hi Marshall, You have really done some fascinating research with all the information you have already gathered about the Navarre family. I would love to know more about your story Re: G. Washington and Robert Navarre negotiating for a safe-haven for the Royal Family. Where can I search for more details? My grandfather William Charles Navarre was a devout Catholic and his deep faith has been an inspiration to all of my family. My original search in genealogy began with a search for our "Faith Roots". Can you tell me if Robert Navarre and Mary Lootman were Catholic? Since he was sent to New France (Detroit) by the Royal Family, I wondered if they were Protestants or not. I find details about the Navarre family during the French and Indian War in various history books, but Religion is never mentioned. We will be heading up to Michigan for a vacation this week . We have a favorite cottage on Lake Michigan in Mackinaw City. I hope it is cooler Up North than it is here in Ashburn. Do we have any distant Navarre cousins in Northern Michigan? Hope to hear from you soon, Connie -----Original Message----- From: Marshall Lloyd To: rctta@gateway.net Date: Tuesday, July 20, 1999 1:51 PM Subject: Re: Navarre Family Genealogy >Denissen's book is still available by reprint > >NAVARRE. or, researches after the desc. of Robert Navarre, whose anc. are the noble Bourbons of France, & some hist. notes on fams. intermarried with Navarres, by C. Denissen. 418p. 1897. $66.00 > >available at http://www.higginsonbooks.com/n.htm > >I am descended from two of John's brothers, Robert Jr. and Francois dit Hutro by way of William Navarre. > >William Navarre >+ Rose Emma Faneuff > Rachel Marie Navarre > +Marshall Wesley Lloyd > Robert Bruce Lloyd, Sr. > +Angela Pardington Lloyd > Marshall Davies Lloyd > >William himself was the son of two Navarres Robert R. Navarre and Maria Archangele Navarre. > >Robert R. descends as follows > >Robert de Navarre >+Marie Lootman dit Barrois > Francois dit Hutro Navarre > + Mary Louisa Godet > Robert Hutro Navarre > + Susanne Moore > Robert R. Navarre > +Maria Archangele Navarre > >Maria descended from 3 straight Robert Navarres back to the original > >Marshall Davies Lloyd mlloyd@sms-va.com >St. Margaret's School (W) 804 443-3357 >PO Box 158 (H) 443-9O33 / 9444 messages >Tappahannock, VA fax 443-1832 > 22560 > >>>> "rctta" 07/18 3:41 PM >>> >Hello Cousin, > >Thank you for responding to my e-mail so quickly. I wish I owned a copy of >Denisson's book on the >Navarres. But I have only seen it at the DAR Library at Constitution Hall. >We photocopied all of our >line back up to Robert Navarre and Mary Lootman. We started with Robert >Navarre who married >Sophia VanHouten in 1843 in Monroe. Their son John B. Navarre is my Great >Grandfather. > >My husband is an architect; and he was transferred to D.C. from Grosse >Pointe two years ago. >We love it here in Virginia, the winters are wonderful! > >If John Mary Alexis Navarre is your "Uncle" you must be descended from one >of Robert Navarre and >Mary Lootman's children. Is Mary Catherine Navarre Macomb your direct >ancestor? You are so >knowledgeable about your genealogy, how long have you been researching? It >is very easy to get >hooked on the fun of searching. I feel like I am reading a great novel, >only the characters are real >and they are related to me. > >Do you think the connection between Robert Navarre and George Washington >would go back to the >Revolutionary War. Did our family aid the Revolutionary forces in any way? >My daughter Tara would >be delighted to find out if we could join the Daughters of the American >Revolution. > >I'll look forward to hearing more from you when you have the time. Thank >you again for the information >about the Macombs. > >Your distant cousin, Connie Anderson > > > > > >-----Original Message----- Book by Isabelle Swann Grosse Ile Historical Society Open Thursday 10-12 PO Box 131 (25000 E. River Road) Grosse Ile, MI 48138 (734) 675-1250 Book by Allan S. Everest Allan S. Everest 5 William St. Plattsburgh, NY 12901-2716 (518) 561-4051 Michigan History Magazine 1-800 366-3703 --------- "rctta" 11/08/99 Hi Marshall,   Hope you and your family are well; and I hope the flooding in the Tidewater area did not reach your home or the campus.  In Northern VA., we were very lucky.  We needed the rain; and our drought is a thing of  the past.     I have been having so much fun researching our G. Grandfather Robert de Navarre.  I spent time at the DAR Library reading Chapman's book.  Each new item of  information I find only raises more questions in my mind. I loved the story of how Robert met Mary Lothman at a party at Versailles.  She has to be the main reason that he agreed to take such a adventurous position in the colonies.     Where did Olive Chapman find the material for her book?  How did she come across his personal letters to his parents back home in France?  Have you ever been in contact with any of her direct line descendents?   Your research is so extensive.  Did you begin the genealogy search or was much of it handed down to you from your family?   I know you have traveled extensively in Europe.  Did your travels take you to Robert's ancestral home.  Does it still exist?  I have been visiting the Cathedral at Meaux via the internet.  I know this is where Robert's family worshiped.  The Chateau at Versailles is also available for a virtual tour in the internet.  I found it quite breathtaking.  Seeing the surroundings that Robert gave up to come to the colonies only make him all the more  fascinating to me.  I was in Paris on my honeymoon, but only for 3 days.  I did not visit Versailles and I truly regret that omission.  I knew nothing of our family history in France at that time.   We spent more time in England and Ireland than we did in France.     I have to tell you that I do find it intriguing that so many Navarre's have such a love and an aptitude for Latin studies. Especially since I read that Robert de Navarre was a Latin scholar as well.  My Mother and her sister were exceptional Latin students in their day.   Did your Mother and Dad know of Robert's history before they became Latin Professors?    I wish my family shared my excitement about family history.  They find it interesting, but to 7th and 8th graders so many things are much more absorbing.  My husband Bob, at least listens to my stories and seems to share my enthusiasm.   When you have an opportunity to write back, I'll be very happy to hear from you.      Thanks,  Connie ---------- 10:34 AM 12/8/99 "rctta" Hi Marshall,     We were in Detroit for Thanksgiving week.   We drove downtown to look for the statue of Robert de Navarre on the Book Cadillac Hotel.  We found it.   Its about 3 or 4 floors above the Michigan Ave. entrance.  We took movies of the 4 statues.  I put the camera on telephoto.  When we got home we were able to make out the coat of arms above each statue.  The other figures honored on the Hotel are General Wayne, Pontiac, and Cadillac.  We took still photos as well, but we do not have a telephoto lens, so those  pictures will probably not turn out very well.   The coat of arms above Robert de Navarre is exactly like the one at the top of your photo gallery.   My brother Dennis was in town this week for the Confirmation of my son Trevor.  I introduced him to your website.  He was fascinated with it.  When he saw the photo of Robert Navarre born  Sept. 11, 1791, he thought it was a picture of our Grandfather William C. Navarre.  I wondered if he would notice the same resemblance that I had about that photo.  It is uncanny.   While I was in Detroit I went to Monroe to do some research on my Navarre line.  I am having trouble finding history on Sophia VanHouten who married Robert Navarre in 1843.  I now know she was born in New Jersey.  She was 22 when she married my GG Grandfather.   I'm wondering if she might have any ancestors who were involved in the Revolutionary War.   Since my daughter Tara, is so interested in the DAR,  my husband,  Bob, has begun to research his Mothers family history.  He found a direct line back to Pilgrim John Lapham, who came to America in 1630.  I can't believe he's got the genealogy bug now too.  He spent two days at the Burton Historical section of the Detroit Public Library while we were in town.     Hope you and the girls had a happy thanksgiving,  Connie                {Pierre's grandfather and the first Navarre to arrive in America was Robert, the four times great-grandson of Anthony de Bourbon. He came to Fort Ponchartrain at Detroit in 1739 to represent the French government as Royal Notary. His original land grant now is Grosse Pointe. His service was so important to the growth of Detroit that his statue was placed atop the Book Cadillac Hotel along with those of Gen. Anthony Wayne, Cadillac and Pontiac. from: http://www.potawatomi.org/hownikan/9711/navarres.htm} http://www.bhere.com/ruins/downtown/bookcad.htm Title: CITY OF DETROIT DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY Summary: Sues to Save Landmark Book Cadillac Hotel DDA Petitions Court to Reopen Bankruptcy Proceedings Against Absentee Owners of Building in an Effort to Spur Redevelopment BOOK/CADILLAC HOTEL 99% - Directories & Lists: Address: 220 Michigan Ave. 27 stories Architect: Louis Kamper Year Built: 1924 Owner: Detroit Limited Partnership Notes: Kemper used the Statler Hotel in New York... 03/29/99 Ed Francis, an architect in Detroit who specializes in historic rehabilitations, calls the Book-Cadillac a landmark, but he agrees it poses special challenges in its smaller rooms and low ceilings. One of the investors, Marvin Klein, a dermatologist from Farmington Hills, said he pays a few thousand dollars a year in legal fees relating to the partnership but has nothing to do with the building itself. JOHN GALLAGHER (author) can be reached at 313-222-5173 or gallagher@freepress.com. ---- Title: American Acropolis. (proposal to turn decaying skyscapers in Detroit, Michigan, into a monument to the death of industrial capitalism) Summary: Lack of funds has delayed plans to demolish the derelict skyscrapers in downtown Detroit. Source: New Statesman & Society Date: 01/12/1996 Price: $2.95 Document Size: Medium (3 to 7 pages) Document ID: DG19970922030099865 Subject(s): Urban land use--Innovations Citation Information: (v9 n385) Start Page: p16(4) ISSN: 0954-2361 Author(s): Vergara, Camilo Jose Copyright Holder: 1996, Statesman and Nation Publishing Company Ltd. (UK) Document Type: Article Marie Archangel Navarre ---------- Posted by: Lynne Wilson Message: Marie Archangel Navarre, b abt. 1820-1822. Died Oct. 17, 1891 is my ggg grandmother. She married a Peter Rumery. They lived in Ottawa Co. Ohio and had 7 children. I am searching for the names of her parents. Thanks for any help. Lynne e-mail> blsg@wwisp.com Navarre Posted by: Delbert Spencer Message: Robert Navarre 2 born 25 November 1734 in Quebec Territory, had a daughter Mary (Marie?) Archange Louisa born 23 July 1770, died 15 May 1851, married Franfcis dit MARENTETTE on Oct 20, 1788. May not be any connection but some names are passed down. We have an extensive Navarre file. If you get any other info, we are at dspencer@rmi.net Navarre''s, Canada to OH, USA, early 1800''s Posted by: Dennis Osgood Message: My Great Grandfather was Charles Navarre, b: 4/10/1850 in Toledo, Lucas Co., OH. I know his mother came from Canada, but that's all I know about his family. Any more info would be greatly appreciated. grandmother joyce navarre father-valcour navarre wife-cecile bernardthis is all the information on my family i have can any one help looking for grandson''s hereitary Posted by: linda gray Message: my grandson's grandfathers name was Weidner, warren and his mother was Viola May Navarre. tales are that she was an American Indian, he wants proof of it, So if anyone can help me I would appricate it. My grandmothers maiden name was Viola Mae Navarre from Michigan. She was born around 1921-1925, on September 1. Is this the same person you are looking for. To my knowledge she only had three daughters. Let me know if I can help you with further information. ----- Commercial site: http:/ / www.detroitskyscrapers.com / Bookc.html from mlloyd@sms-va.com WOW. I had heard of the Robt. Navarre statue on the Hotel but had given up finding it. I had worried that it was no longer in existence. What a find. Let me know if the picture turns out, I would love to get a picture on the site. I'm glad your brother liked the site. I'll keep the names you sent in mind when I am doing research and see what I can turn up. I do have a video capture board so if all else fails perhaps an AVI on line? Papa and I went to Detroit and Monroe two summers ago but I was such a neophyte at that point that I didn't know what I was looking for. Thanks for the email Robert NAVARRE Sex: M Marriage(s): Spouse: Sophia VAN HOUTEN at 22 Marriage: 31 Jul 1843 River Raisin, Monroe, Michigan Sophia VAN HOUTEN Sex: F Birth:16 Feb 1817 Paterson, Passaic, New Jersey Parents: Father: Cornelius VAN HOUTEN Mother: Sally SCHOONMARKER Sophia C VAN HOUTEN Sex: F Birth: 16 Feb 1837 New Jersey Father: Jacob Henry VAN HOUTEN Mother: Hester WINTERS Sophia VAN HOUTEN Sex: F Event(s): Birth:8 Apr 1725 Paterson, Passaic, New Jersey Parents: Father: Cornelius Nelmegse VAN HOUTEN Mother: Aagtji Johanisse VREELAND VAN HOUTEN ------ Connie is my 6th cousin & 6th cousin once removed and 8th cousin 9:42 AM 12/20/99 What an interesting story about the location of the Macomb Mansion. It sparked memories for me. Many years ago I worked in the World Trade Center. The view I had out the 26th floor window was of the Hudson River, Statue of Liberty and the Jersey coast line. Marshall Thanks for all the wonderful research you do for our family. Merry Christmas to you and the girls, Connie -------- Wednesday, December 15, 1999 Bill Lattin R.E. Battle of Raisin River Dear Mr. Lloyd, I can't tell you how pleased I was to find Benson Lossing's account of this battle on your web pages. My g-g-g-grandfather, Joseph Clark(e) was 1 of 13 in Captain Paschal Hickman's volunteer company of 86 men who survived the battle and General Winchester's surrender. The company was composed of young men living in Franklin County Kentucky and Frankfort (the state capital). My father and his sister inherited (not directly!)Joseph Clarke's farm and I visited it as a child. The land had been part of the original 1785 Virginia land patent issued to George Mason which had been purchased in 1799 by Joseph's grandfather, Hezekiah Brown. Joseph's farm and the rest of Hezekiah Brown's 1000 virgin acres are long gone. They are covered by Frankfort subdivisions, Juniper Hill Park, Collins Lane elementary school, part of the airport and the state capital. Thanks again for posting this historical gem! William Julian Lattin, Jr. Owensboro, KY -- Thursday, December 16, 1999 I didn't know the Lossing book was to be re-published. Thanks! And, I will look at your other pages. I think you've made an important contribution by posting the Lossing pages and its the only detailed account I've found on the Internet. Have you considered contacting other War of 1812 sites and asking them to add a link to your page on their pages? I think you should because it would be a way to publicize your page. I've seen articles recently that claimed only 16% of pages on the web can be found through web search engines. Hotbot is one that didn't find your page with the query "battle of river raisin". If you don't already have it, I think you'll be interested in this book: http://shop.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?userid=5U0IA0TTOS& mscssid=L6QS3E57NTSH2JVT0017QJ1W7DDCBG3B&srefer=&isbn=0806345209 Here's a description of the book from another site. REMEMBER THE RAISIN! Kentucky and Kentuckians in the Battles and Massacre at Frenchtown, Michigan Territory, in the War of 1812 Published with Notes on Kentucky Veterans of the War of 1812. 2 Vols. in 1. Partially indexed by G. Glenn Clift These two works by the former director of the Kentucky Historical Society in Frankfort constitute a rich repository of information on Kentucky natives who fought in the War of 1812. The Battle on River Raisin, which was fought in and around Frenchtown (now Monroe), Michigan from January 18 to January 23, 1812, was one of the four principal campaigns of the War of 1812 engaged in by Kentucky forces. Following the defeat of the American forces at Frenchtown, as many as sixty Kentucky soldiers were massacred by Indians serving under the British. When news of the massacre reached Kentucky, patriots exhorted one another with shouts of "Remember the Raisin," which, the author claims, gave the new nation the "vengeance-fired impetus" to wage the remaining battles of the War of 1812. The larger of these two works treats all aspects of the Battle on River Raisin, including the events leading up to the battle, troop movements, and eyewitness accounts of the skirmishes and the massacre itself. Of greatest interest to genealogists are the detailed biographical and genealogical sketches of nearly 100 officers and enlisted men who served on River Raisin and complete rosters of the Kentucky soldiers who saw action there. The rosters give the name of the company commander and identify each member by rank, with remarks such as "Killed in Action," "Prisoner of War," and a date. The smaller companion volume is a miscellaneous listing of Kentucky veterans of the War of 1812 compiled from newspaper files, pension lists, county histories, veterans' publications, and so on. Not limited to the Frenchtown campaign, it furnishes data on some 700 Kentucky veterans of the War of 1812, including some or all of the following information: name, county of residence, date of enlistment, unit, campaign(s), date of birth and/or death, and, frequently, much more. This combined work, which is reprinted with the permission of the Kentucky Historical Society in Frankfort, must be regarded as one of the richest collections of Kentucky War of 1812 source material ever published. Cheers, Bill ------------- rctta@gateway.net 1/4/00 You are really a detective, connecting the VanHoutens with the Macombs. I read the article about the mortgage on the Macomb Home in New Jersey. How do you have the time to do this kind of research with the demanding job that you have? I have scanned the photos of the statue of Robert de Navarre. They turned out great on the scanner. I put them in "my documents" and enlarge them, but transmitting them to you, that is the hard part. I will try to attach them to an e-mail. I am sorry that I am so computer illiterate when it comes to attaching documents. Bob is the only one who uses a computer on a regular basis at work. He should be able to help me. He has gone to take Trevor to basketball practice. I have also copied an excerpt from the book Francis Jennings, Empire of Fortune. The 3 pages that quote from Robert Navarre's Journal. Do you have this book yet? I'd love to transmit these pages to you as well, however whenever I pull them up to read them, they are so enlarged on the screen. I must have entered them incorrectly. If the attachments don't work for the photos. send me a mailing address. I will mail the Robert de Navarre photo to you. As soon as I can get Bob to help me I'll try to e-mail the images. Connie -----Original Message----- From: Marshall Lloyd To: rctta@gateway.net Date: Friday, December 31, 1999 6:23 PM Subject: Van Houten >One of the neighbors of Alex. Macomb in Belleville NJ was a Van Houten sounds like it may be a connection between the Van Houtens of NJ and the Navarre's of MI?? > >When I finish the report I'll put it on line. > >Happy New Year >Marshall, Lucia, and baby Kendall > >-------- Subject: Robert de Navarre Statue Creation Date: 1/10/00 1:07PM From: "rctta" Created By: rctta@gateway.net Bob and I have tried to transmit the images of the statues, but our server disconnects after 10 minutes of transmission. The file is just too big to handle. He thinks if we could zip the file (whatever that means) it might transmit. However, I have just decided I am going to mail the photos to you. I have the negatives. I'll have some new copies made. The statues in the photo from left to right are: Gen. Anthony Wayne, Antoine de Lamothe Cadillac, Chief Pontiac and Robert de Navarre. Look at the Crests above their heads. I'm going to mail them to you at St. Margaret's School. Let me know when you receive them. Connie ------------ 9:16 PM 1/14/00 When I picked the kids up from school today, they told me you called last night. I'm sorry I missed your call. I came home late last night and Trevor must have forgotten to tell me. He did write it down though.... on a tiny piece of paper. He remembered when I told him I had received your email. I am anxious to see how the statue looks on the website. Were you able to enlarge the photo? I wonder what will happen to the statue if they do not decide to restore the Book Cadillac Hotel. It is in pretty sad shape right now. I would hope the statue could be saved, even if the Hotel is torn down. Let me know when the site is back up and running. Connie -------- 2:10 PM 2/17/00 Marshall,    I read all of the article on Alexander Macomb; and I read the play written by his son.  These entries have been very fascinating.  What have you got up your sleeve next?  I have searched my French Families Book to find out who Alexander Macomb Sr. married after our G. Aunt Mary Catherine died.  I can find no record.  You mention that he had seven more children after his days in prison.  Who was the second wife, and what were the names of the 7 children?   You might just as well start writing the whole story up like a novel.  Its all so interesting  and each new chapter leads to more questions.   Who was the MacDougal officer in Macomb's play?  Remember one of Robert de Navarre's daughters married a MacDougal (was he the same fellow?)   replym 7:34 AM 2/18/00 Alexander's second family is already online check out http://mlloyd.bayside.net/cgi-bin/tree.pl?I00265 Wherever you see the little "tree" icon next to an individual it takes you straight to that person on the family tree. Regarding "MacDougall," I think it is George MacDougal. Regarding Angelique et al. see Pontiac's Conspiracy in Lauther. I hope eventually to add some notes to the text. I am waiting to find several other Pontiac plays and Parkman's work. Do check out the Mansion article. I've added some graphics and some texts. D.C.'s location was agreed upon outside the mansion by Hamilton and Jefferson. I have more texts on the way--texts by inhabitants of the Mansion. http://mlloyd.bayside.net/gen/macomb/text/mansion.htm take care, Marshall ---------- NAVARRE-WILLIAMS FAMILY PAPERS, 1815-1980s. Early settlers of Oregon Township. Collection includes deeds, other land and property documents, marriage and religious records,tax receipts, school memorabilia, a few Civil War and Grand Army of the Republic (GAR) documents and letters, newspaper clippings, and photographs. MSS-042, 1.5 linear feet. See also entry under Social Life & Customs. http://www.cl.utoledo.edu/canaday/mssguide/war.html The Ward M. Canaday Center: Carlson Library, 5th floor The University of Toledo Toledo, Ohio 43606 Phone: 419.530.4550 Fax: 419.530.2726 or For all e-mail queries please contact the University Archivist, Barbara Floyd at barbara.floyd@utoledo.edu ----------------- Author: Ronald Cicotte 339 Summer Street, , Arlington, MA 02474 781-646-0302A 02474 ------------- patmtucker@earthlink.net 11:51 AM 2/24/00 I am a long time fan of Peter "The Great" Navarre and family. Peter's life is a curious blend of fact and fiction that is a result of historic memory loss. I am currently interested in his father Francois Navarre dit Heutreau. Sometimes it is difficult to distinguish between Peter's father and his uncle Colonel Francois Navarre. For example, it is not clear when Father Jean Dilhet refer's to the "Evil One" (ca. 1798-1804) in the Parish of St. Antoine de la Riviere aux Raisins or when Father Samuel Smith talks about Francois Navarre taking Father Bellamy by the collar at the altar in the chapel in 1824 threatening to kick him out the door for a minor dispute between the clergy and Francois as senior marguillier. Have you looked at the Navarre-Williams Papers (1815-1880s) in the Ward M. Canaday Center, Carlson Library, The University of Toledo? There is also a collection of papers at the Burton Historical Collection in Detroit on Francois dit Heutreau. There is also a collection at the Monroe County Historical Museum in Monroe, MI. The memoirs of Peter Navarre are at the Toledo-Lucas County Public Library, Toledo, Ohio. I have not looked at them in several years. I do, however, have notes I made of the document when I examined it. I am currently researching an article on St. Antoine Parish for publication in the Journal of the French-Canadian Heritage Society of Michigan with Dennis M. Au of Evansville, IN. There is a marriage certifacte of Jacques Navarre and Catherine Couture dated 1815 signed by Father Richard at Riviere aux Raisins in the Navarre - Williams Papers. I looked at your web site. Very impressive. I was curious though where the date of 1745 came from for Robert de Navarre emigrating to New France? He was in Canada in 1730 and there are many documents signed by him dating prior to 1745 in the Dominion Archives of Canada at Ottawa. Regards, Pat Tucker -------- reply: I am very grateful for your quick response. I have been to Detroit and Monroe. Unfortunately, at my last trip to Toledo, I did not know about the Navarre-Williams papers until the last day there. 1. RE: 1745 I am just as puzzled by the numerous dates given for Robert. He was certainly already in the New World before 1745, he was married 10 Feb 1734, Ste. Anne Church, Detroit. The Dictionary of Canadian Biography perhaps takes the best view simply stating "He signed notarial acts at Detroit as early as 24 Nov. 1729." To help you in using any e-text I have posted on my site, please note that black text, including those in notes, indicates the ORIGINAL text of the document. I.E. on the page you saw, the note is Lossing's, not mine. ANY commentary I give is usually in color, or at least labled MDL. Ben Lossing (490) gives Robert's date for "coming to America" as 1745 . Richards, George H. Memoir of Alexander Macomb, the Major General commanding the Army of the United States. New York: M'Elrath, Bangs & Co., 1833 gives the same (page 13): "The grandfather, on the mother's side, was Robert de Navarre. He came from Paris to America, in the year 1745, an officer under the French government, and acted as Notaire Royal and Sub-Deligué of the king of France, on the early establishment of Detroit, where he remained and raised a large family, the descendants of which are spread through the greater portion of the French population of Michigan, and its immediate vicinity on the Canadian side."        John S. Jenkins 1818-1852 in his "Alexander Macomb (1782-1841)" Chap. in Daring Deeds of American Generals (New-York: A. A. Kelley, 1857) also mentions (p. 296) "Robert de Navarre, a French officer, who came to America in 1745" Clearly there is a long-standing and incredibly mistaken tradition in regards to 1745. Somewhere I have seen that Robert visited the Maumee area in 1745 (it may have been in Draper) perhaps here is the confusion. He didn't come to the NEW WORLD in 1745, but visited what we now call AMERICA in 1745. All the same I have seen 1729 in listed Dennison and Charles Christian Anthon in his Narrative Of The Settlement Of George Christian Anthon In America (p. 10) cites "a manuscript copied from "The Cabinet" of 1830, a scarce periodical publication issued at New York, 1829-31," stating "Robert de Navarre came to America in 1682, landed at Quebec in Lower Canada," while the Macomb Family Record says (p. 8): "Robert Navarre . . . was appointed, 1730, Notaire Royal under the French government in Canada. His ancestors came from France to Quebec in 1682." I have spent many hours trying to locate the Cabinet article. see: 2. Regarding Francois Navarre dit Heutreau, I am rather interested in him more than Peter. Peter was always a self-promoter. Our banch's take on affairs is that Robert endured every hardship that Peter did but Peter lived to take the credit. [I say "our branch" actually I am descended from both Heutreau and his brother Robert "the writer"] It is interesting that you mention the priest incident. My great-grandfather William Navarre is said to have bodily thrown his priest out when he refused to bury on hallowed ground a child who had been baptised but not confirmed. William's father was Robert R. Navarre, son of Robert H., son of Heutreau his mother was Maria Archange Navarre, dau. of Robt. T., of Robt., of Robt. "the writer" William Navarre Married Rose Emma Faneuff, their daughter Rachel Marie Lloyd is my grandmother. 3. I read Dennis M. Au's article on the Navarre-Anderson trading post in MI and enjoyed it very much. I look forward to seeing your article on the River Raisin. Regards, Marshall Davies Lloyd --------------- "bettajoyce chio" Thanks for forwarding the letters to me. I'll save it so I have the references. I have seen an article from the "Cabinet" and I think it includes where it is archived. I'll try to find it. Also I MAY have located the family of Louis Andre Robert Navarre and Rhoda Long. A lady I have corresponded with for a while asked for help in locating the family of Ruth Chamberlain. The info she had matches, so armed with the additional info I sent her, she will show it to her friend and see if it the correct family. This woman is in a nursing home in Maumee. She may have additional info on the children and her mother's family. She also told me that Larry Michaels is doing a presentation on Peter Navarre at the Maumee Lib. in March. She sent me the info and I'll drive down if I can (weather, etc., a factor). I have some of his books on Toledo history and he is very knowledgeable. He's 'big' in historical circles in Toledo. A cousin of Ken's, Floyd Chio has gotten interested in genealogy. He contacted me and we have been sharing info. He also has Bodi (Baudin) connections and some of them are married to Navarres, as well as Chios. I'm working on some info he sent me from Mike Bodi that is VERY inaccurate concerning the Perry family (esp. Delia Navarre and Henry Perry). He had my dad as a Perry. So, I sent an explanation and clarification to Floyd and he passed it on to Mike in Vermont and he passed it on to Mary Ellen in Maumee, OH. When she found out I have a Navarre connection, she e-mailed for the info for Ruth. She had known me only from the Chio/Bodi genea. The whole world is a circle. I have given your website address to all of them. So, they can look this stuff up for themselves. Besides, you have a wonderful site and I want people to see it! There is a John Bodi in CA who has a Bodi website, but you have to know the password (Floyd gave it to me) to get into it. Why would anyone do that??? Once in it, it is very confusing. Maybe a Bodi will see yours and pass on 'how to' do it right!!!! Bettajoyce -------- patmtucker@earthlink.net "bettajoyce chio" I will send you things I have collected on the Navarres. One is a paper on Peter, my notes on his memoirs, a photo [electronic image] of Mary Ann Cadoret (1814-1915) wife of Alexis Navarre, marriage certificate of Jacques & Catherine Couture, birth certificate of Peter, deeds [electronic images], partial genealogy of Alexis Navarre branch, etc. a little at a time. What is your snail mail address? I will send the electronic images in *.jpg format, written notes in Word 6.0 and deeds in .pdf format. Do these formats pose any problem with your software and imaging capabilities? Also, are you aware of the current situation going on in Monroe, MI, with the old Cemetery [ca. 1788-1842] of St. Antoine Parish? A housing development was being put in on the property of the old cemetery in August 1999 when archaeological survey had to be done by Midwest Environmental Consultants, Inc. The field archaeologist is an old school friend working on preparing a report for management decisions by the property owner and city officials. He uncovered some forty-five coffin burials. Apparently, many people thought the Catholic Church of Detroit in the 1830s had the bodies exhumed and re-interred in St. Joseph's Cemetery. The property was sold around 1875 with the cemetery still intact residing on the land. Everyone is kind of scratching their heads to figure out what happened. Pat Tucker ----- TO: patmtucker@earthlink.net CC: I am using ALL the software you mention. If you can send those along it would be GREAT. I really want to make these things available to all. It is so hard to gather them individually and I really appreciate the help everyone has been on this project. With gratitude, Marshall Davies Lloyd PO Box 158 (use for US mail) 444 Water Lane (use for UPS) St. Margaret's School Tappahannock, Va. 22560 (804) 443-9444 ========= Subject: Re: Heutreau Navarre Creation Date: 2/26/00 9:48AM From: Marshall Lloyd Created By: mlloyd@sms-va.com Recipients Action Date & Time bettacj@globalbiz.net Transferred 02/26/00 09:49AM CC (bettajoyce chio) Transferred 02/26/00 09:49AM dennisau@hotmail.com (Dennis Au) Mr. Au, I am just as delighted to hear from you. I enjoyed your article on the N-A trading post and had hoped to get in touch with you at some point. I recall your mentioning his obligation to his mother and didn't know the reference. My cousin Bettajoyce Chio shared your article with me and I have since obtained a back issue for myself. Unfortunately, when I visited Monroe we (my father and I) were only there for one day of a 3 week research jaunt throughout NY, Ontario, MI, and OH. I think I was the LEAST prepared in Monroe and Toledo. I do mean to get back. Do you have a xerox/scan of the contract? I would love to put it up on the site. Do you have the letter from Alexander Macomb to Francois Navarre? I came across the transciption in a history book and believe it to be Heutreau and not the Col. I also have some material from the Nat. Archives on Jacques, Alexis, and Peter in addition to Robert Heutreau but have not gotten them online. I had never heard of the paper at UMI but had assumed they had something. I really do need to get to OH-MI!! >>> "Dennis Au" 02/25/00 09:54PM >>> Mr. Lloyd: Pat Tucker forwarded your note to him regarding your interest in the Navarre family. I am thrilled you are interested in Heutreau. He is a facinating fellow. When you were in Monroe did they show you the contract between Huetreau and his mother regarding his obligations for her care? I found this document in the Burton Collection. There are other good things from the other children of Heutreau, too. For example, Jacques Navarre's War of 1812 bounty land application is interesting. Jacques, like Robert, is one of the forgotten Navarres. Pierre seemed to take the limelight. Have you looked at the Navarre papers at the Bentley Library at the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor and at Central Michigan University? Best of luck in your research. Dennis Au ----------- Subject: Re: Peter Navarre Creation Date: 2/26/00 12:04AM From: patmtucker@earthlink.net Created By: Pathcpis@aol.com patmtucker@earthlink.net Here is the Jacques Navarre - Catherine Couture marriage certificate from the Navarre-Williams Papers, Canaday Center, Carlson Library, The University of Toledo. Pat ------ Thanks a million. This is about the same as the certificate for Robert and Susan: HTML: http://mlloyd.bayside.net/gen/navarre/text/aff_rhn.htm#a14061815 IMAGE: http://mlloyd.bayside.net/gen/navarre/images/rhn_aff/rhnsm.gif [June 14, 1815 Certified copy abt. Feb. 1853 Susan Moore and Robert H. Navarre's Marriage Certificate] begin----- THESE are to Certify, That Robert Navarre and Susan Maure have been LAWFULLY MARRIED at Riviere aux Raisins by me the undersigned, on this day the fourteenth of June in the year of our Lord, one thousand eighty hundred and fifteen. Gabriel Richard Rector of ST. ANNE, of Detroit. ------end --------- The Victoria Cataract [Cadoret] (1830-1915) photos in jpeg format. I said Mary Ann the other day. Mary Ann (1814-1889) was the mother of Victoria married to Alexis Navarre. Victoria was born about 1830 and died about 1915. The photos are ca. 1900 taken at Curtice, Ohio. Curtice is a few miles east of Oregon, Ohio. Pat ------- Navarre Tract in Oregon, Ohio , , Secured to the Navarres by the Treaty of 1833 at Maumee, Ohio. The final treaty removing the Ottawas to Kansas Territory. From: C. E. Sherman, Original Ohio Land Subdivisions, Vol. 3, p. 145, Fig. 6, Ohio Cooperative Topographic Survey, Department of Natural Resources, Division of Geological Survey, Columbus, Ohio, 1976. Pat ---------------- Re: Navarre Tract in Oregon, Ohio A note about the Navarre tract at the mouth of the Maumee River. The usual dates given for the Navarre family coming to the river is 1805 or 1807 depending on which secondary source you read. However, a document in the National Archives written by Martin Nadauts [Nadeau] in 1833 of Monroe, MI to Lewis Cass, Secretary of War, suggests otherwise. The letter was sent to the Congress for possible monetary retribution. Nadauts or Nadeau (before it became anglicized) lived on the River Raisin with Heutrau Navarre and family. Nadeau says that he was given a deed to the Navarre tract on the Maumee in 1795 by the Ottawa Indians for having cared for an Ottawa widow and her children for six months. Nadeau settled on the land building a cabin and barn for about $25.00. He went back to Frenchtown and on to Detroit to record his deed. He could not get his deed recorded because the recorder was George McDougall Jr., a cousin of Heutrau Navarre who also lived on the River Raisin or owned property there next to the Navarres. McDougall refused to record the deed knowing that the Navarres settled on Nadeau's land. went to the local police constable at Detroit, but he wouldn't do anything as he was also a Navarre. And when Nadeau went to a judge in Detroit to complain, the judge didn't do anything because he was a Navarre. The Navarres as you know had the whole town of Detroit in the palm of their hand as their wasn't one aspect of political and judicial administration they didn't influence. In the meantime, while Nadeau was at Frenchtown and Detroit Heutrau moved his family into the cabin of Nadeau and took over his property. Pat Descendants of Paul Moore Paul Moore b ca 1808 birthplace unk at this time, except that he was b in MI. +Felicity Robitaille (the dau of Joseph Robitaille and Archange Dubay) Paul and Felicity's date and place of death are unk at this time but they did show up on the 1880 census for Harrison Twp, Macomb Co, MI. Felicity was know as Phyllis and also as Sally. -Children of Paul and Felicity Moore- 1. Caritine b-17 July 1829 St. Francis, Clintion River, Macomb Co. 2. Francis b-1836 3. Amanda b-1837 L'Anse Creuse, Macomb Co. m-2 Aug 1852 in Mt Clemens to ..........+Richard Pominville b-1829 L'Anse Creuse the son of Joseph Pominville and Suzanne Rivard. 4. Peter b-1840 buried 21 June 1852 Mt Clemens 5. Felicity b 1843 Clinton River m-8 Oct 1861 Mt Clemens to ..........+Thomas Balard b-16 Feb1842 The son of Thomas Godfroy Balard and Isabella Dubay 6. Susanne b1845 Clinton River m 22 Nov 1864 Mt Clemens to ..........+Francis Louis Boulay (b1838) the son of William Boulay and Soulange Fournier 7. Paul b-6 June 1847 baptized 28 Aug 1847 Mt Clemens m-Mary ? abt 1866 8. **Cesarius b-27 June 1849 baptized 22 July 1849 Mt Clemens; buried in Brooklyn, Mi ..........+Nancy McClalenthaw 1869 Mt Clemens; buried in Linwood, Fraiser Twp, Bay Co, MI 9. Daniel b- 11 Oct 1851 baptized 23 Jan 1853 Mt Clemens 10.Priscilla b 12 Oct 1853 baptized 18 Nov 1853 Mt Clemens Cesarius Moore (#8 above) was said to be a healer and practiced the "laying on of hands" for a fee. Children of Cesarius and Nancy: 1.Miron b 1871 Harrison Twp., Macomb Co 2.Dalia b 1874, Harrison Twp Macomb Co 3.**John b 27 Oct 1875 Harrison Twp Macomb Co 4.Mitchell b 1878 Harrison Twp Macomb Co 5.Anna b 1885 6.Danial b 1887 Note: Two children died young and it is not known at this time the correct place in the birth order. John Moore b 27 Oct 1875 Harrison Twp Macomb Co. John m. 31 Oct 1899 ..........+Mary J. Basney, the daughter of Louis Basney and Mary Longton. Mary J. Basney aka "Jenny" was b 16 April 1878 Marine City, MI. John d 3 Nov 1959 and is b. at St Anne's Cemetery, Linwood, MI. Mary d 11 Sept 1962 and is buried beside her husband. Children of John and Mary- 1.**Edward Moore b 11 July 1900 d Aug 3 1993 ..........+Rhea Martin 12 Feb 1923 2.Joseph Alexander Moore b 12 April 1902 3.Nora Moore 4.Lucy Moore d/as a baby 5.Earl Moore d/as baby 6.Ida Ann Moore b 11 Nov 1911 7.Louise Jane Moore b 2 June 1914 8.Clarence Moore b 12 July 1916 9.Marie Moore b 13 Sept 1918 10.John A. Moore Jr. b 25 Feb 1921 d/1941 11.Lester Moore b 10 Oct 1925 This information submitted by Diane Moore Provost. Please contact her if you would like additional details. --------- 10:36 PM 2/26/00 Re: Heutreau Navarre "bettajoyce chio" I have a copy of the contract. Always include it in my "Navarre Books" and people always comment on the amount of rum one old lady could consume! I'll make a copy of mine and send it to you snail mail. I don't have it in my computer. It is a typed copy and Dennis may have been the one who typed it. There is no recognition of it in the file (that I could find, anyway). It is stuck in amongst the other papers in the Navarre file. I found it at the Historical Museum, not the Monroe Lib. But, it may be there. I met Dennis Au at a weekend sponsored by the French Canadian Society. They held a conference in Monroe one year. It was great. They had an authentic French dinner at the IHM Center and breakfast at the Navarre/Anderson Trading Post. All who attended were given a commemorative plate with the house on it. One of my treasures. They had them made for something else and these were leftovers and the Monroe Gena or Historiacl Society arranged to give them to us. Lucky us. On rereading this it sounds like all we did was eat. Not so. One of the lectures was from a man who played music from the early 1800s. Live! Other lectures and a tour of the IHM motherhouse and museum. Not ordinarily open (need an appt.) My friend of thirty years (Joan, who passed away this Jan.) and I went together. We had such a great weekend. I'm teary eyed recalling it. The last I heard Dennis Au was working in Chicago. He was (is) so knowledgeable. And loves his Navarres. He would be a great asset to you, if he will help. Re his remark about Peter. My take on it has always been that Peter was a bigger bulls---er than the other brothers! Although they probably all could hold there own with him. Bettajoyce I hit the send instead of save, so you have two messages. Thanks for the Navarre/Couture info. Heard from Mary Ellen Schreiter. She said Ruth was ill yesterday and she didn't see her. Will try next week. A man named Kohrman has a site about Detroit's old and neglected buildings. The Book Cadillac is on it. He had an e-mail address, so I wrote to him asking if he might know how I could get more information about the exterior of the building and/or Louis Kamper. Told him why I was interested etc. That was last Sunday and I haven't heard from him. I keep hoping. Re Kendall: Experience talking here, once they start they don't stop. So, put on your running shoes. Guess that is all. Now, to push the correct button! Bettajoyce ------ Dear all, can you help? The following is in Wing, Talcott E. "Biographies of Residents on the River Raisin Prior to the War of 1812" nestled among the letters of Col. Francis. Have you seen the original? It seems to me, given its content, that the original would have been in French. I also suspect that it is to Heutreau rather than the Col. on three grounds. 1. it is addressed to MR. not Macomb's typical salutation for his cousin and fellow officer, whom he usually addressed in salutations as "COLONEL." 2. the signature is as Nephew, it then follows that the addressee is an uncle. 3. the content of the letter, ie. value of learning English. You would know better than I, but my impression was that Col. Francis' sons were conversant in English and that the Col. himself was well enough placed in a position of authority that his interests were well supported. On the other hand, Heutreau's sons were notoriously late in coming to English [thus in descibing Peter, Lossing (490): "He is a stout-built man, of dark complexion, and is now [mdl: 1867] about eighty years of age. He speaks English imperfectly, as the Canadian French usually do." and Draper 148 "Peter Navarre was uneducated--could not speak English until he thought it best, 30 years ago [mdl: 1833], when Toledo commenced being settled, to learn the language."] You would know better than I, but my impression was that Col. Francis' sons were conversant in English and that he was well enough placed in a position of authority himself that his interests were well supported. On the other hand, Heutreau's sons were notoriously late in coming to English [thus descibing Peter, Lossing (490): "He is a stout-built man, of dark complexion, and is now [mdl: 1867] about eighty years of age. He speaks English imperfectly, as the Canadian French usually do." and Draper 148 "Peter Navarre was uneducated--could not speak English until he thought it best, 30 years ago [mdl: 1833], when Toledo commenced being settled, to learn the language."] DETROIT, June 6th, 1821. To Mr. Francis Navarre: MY DEAR FRIEND AND RELATION : The New arrangement which has taken place in our army calls me out of this country to go to Washington. This circumstance alone has been able to separate me from a great number of friends and relations who are dear, and to whom I am sincerely attached. As long as I have had the honor of commanding upon these frontiers I am constantly obliged to maintain peace between our neighbors, as much in Canada as with the savages; and my only aim has been to protect all citizens and guarantee to them their rights and privileges. The old French inhabitants have been the continual object of my attention and solicitude--above all that they are ignorant of their own rights, and the principles which form the base of our American Government. The Congress of the United States has extended to the inhabitants of Michigan Territory its friendship and protection, in publishing laws to assure them of the possession of their lands, which were depending upon uncertain titles, which at present have been confirmed with true propriety in a complete and legal manner. It is a great misfortune that amongst the Canadians are found so many who cannot read or write. The acquisition of these first principles of education is an indispensable necessity to every American citizen. Without these principles one can not be fully apprised of the daily improvements; to know the laws which are published in the papers for the advantage of all; and above all, be able to keep his own accounts and govern his own affairs. It is also essential to know the English language, because the acts of government and courts of justice are printed in that language. I would urge you, therefore, particularly, that all the descendants of Francis should teach their children the English and French languages. The advantage of speaking them both would be very great, because they are used daily in the most ordinary details of life. Besides that, the knowledge of several languages has always been regarded by people of the world, even the most polished, as a very great accomplishment. The French of Michigan Territory are always noticed for their polite, gentle and engaging manners. These virtues, if I may call them such, contribute much to distinguish a people and prove in them a degree of civilization which is appreciated justly, by all persons of enlightenment and instruction. At the same time I should be deceiving you if I did not tell you that the inhabitants of this Territory are much inferior to the rest of their fellow citizens of the United States in point of arts and sciences; and above all in agriculture, which is not regarded as the least occupation by which men may support themselves. The reason of it is simple, and the blame cannot be thrown upon the inhabitants. It should be attributed only to the peculiar situation in which they have been placed, even since the first establishment of the county. Neither the Government which inaugurated these first colonies, nor the English ho have succeeded that Government, have dreamed of making of them an agricultural people. (begin 99) They have been transplanted only to help in the fur trade, and in this branch of commerce the Canadians surpass all others; but now that the population advances (and that by the means of the wise and equitable administration of the United States), the settlements increase, and the people take a character and an attitude which presages a great destiny, it becomes us to form some just claims, and to know all that can interest its honor and independence. The French ought to frequent the courts where the laws are discussed, and assist in the election of all their officers, and in this way learn to hold general assemblies, and how to conduct public affairs. Every American citizen ought to know how to use his rights and privileges that assure to him his title of citizenship. This is why it is the duty of each man to acquaint himself with laws, in order to vote, and give his opinion on all occasions which interest him--himself in particular as well as the public in general as a nation. It is thus that one will come to know the merits of our excellent constitution, and that the advantages which result therefrom will be appreciated in a general and sensible manner. Besides all these ties that we possess or enjoy we ought to count the religious liberty of each man being able to worship God according to the dictates of his own conscience, and live peaceably in the religion of his fathers. The social commerce established between good and virtuous men ought not to be interrupted by any religious dissension. In our day such disputes are regarded as unworthy of this enlightened century in which we live. Formerly things were not the same, and for want of equal disposition among Christians, all was confusion and was the cause of the schism which dismembered the old church. For a long time disorder reigned; but today such dissensions are suppressed, and virtuous persons of all classes and all sects are generally esteemed and respected. It is also the duty of every man to follow strictly the religion of his ancestors, to cherish it and to have it observed in his family, for no house should be divided against itself upon such an important subject. Without religion there is nothing for men, neither sentiment nor honor. No one can rely on their word--their oath is null. Thus you see, my dear friend, the price of religion, and how important it is to our happiness on earth and to our future life. I will not dwell longer upon this subject, because I believe that the inhabitants of this country are always remarkable for their strict attachment to their religious duties, as well as their gentle and kind manners towards each other. In considering the particular situation in which the old inhabitants of this country are found placed, one would believe that they have not made much effort to aid any government in particular, if one excepts their first masters; but in examining with attention and diving into my searches, I have discovered with great satisfaction that the French people have always been faithful to the Government and hasten to defend its firesides and altars. The late war (considered in its true light) will give to the inhabitants of the Territory of Michigan (whatever their rank may be) a right to the protection and esteem of the American Government. Few persons know the critical situation of this country since the last war. Their zeal and eagerness to pluck out from the hands of the Indians the unfortunate victims of the River Raisin (and some other rights) will always be a sufficient title to attract the gratitude of posterity. The reclamations or claims that you have made to the Government for the losses you have sustained during the last war, have been, it is true, put off from one session to another, in spite of the efforts of our delegates to put them forward; but all these delays must not discourage you, for, although "justice moves with slow steps, it is none the less sure." If your claims are such as they should be to be paid by the Government, they will not be refuse; but still one must not expect all the damages experienced during the war to be liquidated by the United States. Such and enterprise would cause necessarily the ruin of the riches country on earth. The depredations committed by our soldiers, the property seized or destroyed by the enemy because it was occupied by our troops, the articles furnished for the use of the army, either for subsistence or for the quarter-master department: all these different things have been included amongst the objects which the Government ought to pay. All the claims which have had their support in unexceptionable certificates, have been reimbursed. A confused arrangement of all the accounts that might be presented would exhaust the treasury, and would be exposing the honest and timid (begin 100) citizen, who would rather lose all his rights under the Government than to have the States made bankrupt. The Government only demands sure proofs of the justice of the claims in order to pay as far as its means will permit. I am going to leave here on the first steamboat for the seat of Government. If it is in my power, by my influence, while in the city to contribute to the advancement of the interests of the inhabitants of Michigan, no one will find me lacking in zeal and activity, as far as my intellectual faculties will permit me, to see that justice is rendered in an impartial manner. It is with the greatest regret that I leave a country which is dear on so many accounts, above all, when I reflect that I shall be separated from numerous friends, who have shown such affection for myself and family. However, my duty calls and I must go. Adieu, my dear friend, and please remember me to your wife and children, and my friends on all sides. Believe me always your devoted and sincere friend and relative, ALEX. MCCOMB, Nephew. ------ Thank you for your excellent site! Regarding Harper's new monthly magazine. / Volume 95, Issue 565: pp. 3-164 http://cdl.library.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/moa/sgml/moa-idx?notisid=ABK4014-0095-3 The image for page 78 of this document is a duplicate of page 79. The image for 78 is missing. Please advise. http://cdl.library.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/moa/pageviewer?root=%2Fmoa%2Fharp%2Fharp0095%2F&tif=00089.TIF&cite=http%3A%2F%2Fcdl.library.cornell.edu%2Fcgi-bin%2Fmoa%2Fsgml%2Fmoa-idx%3Fnotisid%3DABK4014-0095-3&coll=moa&frames=1&view=50 http://cdl.library.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/moa/pageviewer?root=%2Fmoa%2Fharp%2Fharp0095%2F&tif=00088.TIF&cite=http%3A%2F%2Fcdl.library.cornell.edu%2Fcgi-bin%2Fmoa%2Fsgml%2Fmoa-idx%3Fnotisid%3DABK4014-0095-3&coll=moa&frames=1&view=50 ------ 1:11 PM 3/2/00 Went to Monroe yesterday. Spent five hours on the microfilm machine. Went thru two rolls of the 1920 census, line by line. If there is an index to it, they don't have it! There are three rolls to go, but I used one that included the east side of Toledo, and one for the outlying twps. Found William on Dearborn Ave. Made a copy for you just in case you didn't already have it. Let me know. There are others, also, that I will send to you later. Also found articles on the St. Antoine Cemetery fiasco and copied some of them. Mailed it this A.M. before I got your message, so it will probably arrive after you have left for PA. Have a great trip! Bettajoyce ------------ Thank you very much for looking into this matter. I have found one copy from a dealer on the internet, but I thought it was worth a try at the mint. Once again, My regards to Jayne >>> "O'Donnell, Keith" 03/02/00 04:28PM >>> Alas, Marshall, No such luck. As you can read below, Tim Grant, the Philadelphia Mint's historian, refers you to a coin or medal dealer. I am sorry. If there is anything else I can help you with, please do not hesitate to ask. Adieu, Keith > -----Original Message----- > From: Grant, Tim > Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2000 4:08 PM > To: O'Donnell, Keith > Subject: FW: Info on a medal? > > Hi Keith, > Hope this info helps, > Tim > > -----Original Message----- > From: Grant, Tim > Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2000 4:06 PM > To: Goodwin, Maria > Subject: RE: Info on a medal? > > Hello Maria, > Hope all is well! > The Macomb medal (416) was placed on the vault clearance list in the 80's > and there are no plans to restrike those medals. There are no Macomb > medals left in stock at the Mint so the customer may want to talk to a > coin/medal dealer. > Talk to you soon, > Tim > -----Original Message----- > From: Goodwin, Maria > Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2000 2:37 PM > To: O'Donnell, Keith > Cc: Grant, Tim; Downs, Rita > Subject: RE: Info on a medal? > > I'm not sure if this medal (List medal, # 416 -- Major General Alexander > Macomb) is still being made by the Mint. You may need to check with Tim > Grant or Rita Downs at Philadelphia about it. The Mint was selling this > medal several years ago, but I don't know it's current status. > > It's my understanding that over time, when the requests for some medals > stop, so does production of that item. They may still have some in stock, > or are still producing the medal. Either way, it's best to contact Tim or > Rita to see if it's possible to purchase this piece. > > Hope this is helpful. > > Maria > > -----Original Message----- > From: O'Donnell, Keith > Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2000 2:06 PM > To: Goodwin, Maria > Subject: Info on a medal? > > << File: mmedal2.gif.url >> ood day, Maria, > > How is your new office in the new building? I hope they were able > to allocate enough space for you. > > I am dropping you a line to see if you can help me with this medal. > A friend of the family is looking to obtain a copy of this medal. Do you > know who I can contact about this? > > http://mlloyd.bayside.net/gen/macomb/images/mmedal2.gif > > Thanks, > Keith O'Donnell > Web Designer > The United States Mint > 202-216-4126 > kodonnell@usmint.treas.gov --------- Subject: Navarre Patents Creation Date: 3/3/00 8:25PM From: Patents to lands owned by the Navarres along the Riviere aux Raisins in Michigan ca. 1812. The patents are in .pdf format. Correction, some are Navarre and som are of colleagues. I am not sure which are which by looking at the numbered file name and can't presently stop to check them out. Pat ------ Subject: New Mystery Creation Date: 3/19/00 5:34PM From: "rctta" Hi Marshall,   I just found Bob and I and the kids on your family tree.  What a nice surprise.  I' ll have to send you all the names of Mom's sisters to add to William C.'s children.   But the big question for today is:  Who was the Mother of our Ancestor Jean de Navarre?  He is listed as the son of Antoine de Bourbon.  I see there is no Mother listed for him.  If he was illegitimate, How could he have the name Navarre?     I have been reading so much History lately, I am really confused right now.  Yesterday Bob and Tara marched in the St. Patrick's Day Parade in Manassas.  While they were getting ready for the March, I wandered in and out of the shops in Old Town.  I found a Rare Book store and I had a field day.  I purchased a 100 year old book about the Royal Women of France.(  Quite a bit about Marguerite of Angeloume   and Jeanne D'Albret.)  I found a wonderful old book about Francis I as well.    I was under the impression that Jeanne D'Albret was our ancestor, but on closer examination of the Dennison list of the Navarre tree and your family tree, it looks like we are not related to her.   Can you answer this question?   I hope you and the girls are all well , Take care, Connie --------- Subject: Archange Navarre Creation Date: 3/19/00 8:56PM From: TO: bobnjody@pacbell.net CC: mlloyd@sms-va.com Dear Robert Perry, You might try Marshall Lloyd (mlloyd@sms-va.com). He is a descendant of Robert Navarre tracking the brothers and their descendants. He also has a web site on the Navarres of Lucas County, Ohio. The site is . Regards, Pat Tucker p.s., I also track Francois Marie Navarre (dit Heutreau) and son Peter (the Scout). Any historical data on them I am interested in. --- Marshall I have the [above] referral in hard copy [see below]. I will send it in jpeg format. The inquiry by Robert Perry got me thinking and I looked at some old notes and copies of papers that Mr. Stanley Bourdo gave me back in 1993. I believe he is rlated to the Navarres through marriage. Anyway one of his hand written notes tracking the lineage of the Bourdo (Bordeaux, and Burdo) family states the following: Archangel Navarre (born Oct 27, 1839), Monroe, MI. Married Peter Rumery. Their daughter Mary married Dominic Veler, son of Francois Jr. and Mary Louise Bod??? Veler. Their son Herbert married Anna Naomi Dibert. Their som Emerson married Mary Ann Peterson. Their son Emerson, Jr., married Dinah Sh Note: next to the birth date of Archangel Navarre is the word "Wrong" with an arrow pointing to this date. Apparently, from his genealogical list that Mr. Bourdo compiled shows that "Archangel Maria" born Oct 27, 1839 at Monroe, MI was the daughter of Robert T. Navarre and Catherine Gayor (Gaillard) married at Monroe, MI, in 1828. They moved to the Maumee River in 1840. Robert Navarre born September 1809, Monroe, MI. Catherine Gaillard born October 5, 1814. Catherine Gaillard's parents were Joseph Gaillard and Mary Margaret Bourg. Robert T. Navarre and Catherine Gaillard (Gayor) had 17 childdren. Six born in Monroe, MI and 11 born in Lucas County, Ohio. Pat Tucker Sorry, forgot to include Mr. Bourdo's address. Stanley Bourdo 11150 Bunting Rd Curtice, OH 43412 Regards, Pat Attached is the e-mail in hard copy given to me by Karen Wagner, French_Canadian Heritage Society of Michigan. It is is jpeg format. To: donnawatt@aol.com Saturday, March 04, 2000 10:58 From: bobnjody@pacbell.net Robert Perry 2321 Hilliard Antioch, CA, 94509 Subject: Searching for the parents of Mary Archangela Navarre Message: The NAVARRE Brothers - Peter, Robert, Francis, Alexis, Anthony, James came to Lucas County, Ohio in the early 1800's. They were born in Detroit, MI in the late 1700's and are the sons of Francis Mary Navarre dit Utreau and Mary Louisa Godet. Francis Mary Navarre was born on 11/19/1959 and is the son of Robert Navarre and Mary Lootman dit Barrois. I am looking for the wives and children of the Navarre brothers in an effort to identify my ancestor, Mary Archange Navarre who was born in Lucas County, Ohio around 1820 and later married Peter Rumery in Ottawa County Ohio. The Navarre brothers were early pioneers of Lucas County, Ohio. I know about the families of Peter "Peter the Scout" and Alexis so I need to know more about the families of Robert, Francis, Anthony, and James. One of them is Mary's father. One or more of the brothers may have married Indian women. Your help is greatly appreciated. I can be contacted at bobnjody@pacbell.net. ----- Subject: MAILTO.CGI FORM DATA Creation Date: 3/18/00 10:02PM From: Subject = from the Web sender's name = Michelle (Susor) Grindle e-mail address = Message = Hi! I am a decendent of Mary Lucy Navarre and Fredrick (Francis?) Susor I have the rest of the story if your interested. ----------- 7:15 AM 3/21/00 bettajoyce Marshall, Floyd Chio is in contact with the Perry/Bodi people. He sent me some of their work. The Bodi files seem to be the most reliable. French name was Baudin. Went to that meeting today and they switched the dates at the last minute. LARRY MICHAELS is to speak next week, now. Don't know if I'll make it back there or not. I met with Mary Ellen and Claude Schrieter (Chio/Bodi is the connection) and they took me to see Ruth and even bought me lunch!! Ruth was thrilled with the material. I just hope she can understand it. She is 88 years old and hard of hearing, therefore, difficult to converse with. But she did tell me some things I'll pass on to you soon. Mary Ellen will continue to talk to her and see what else she can find out. Ruth said her daughters visit often. My name and address is on the papers and hopefully, they will be interested enough to contact me. Thanks for passing all this on to me. Bettajoyce -------- Subject: Ruth Creation Date: 3/21/00 2:45PM From: "bettajoyce chio" The following is from my research in Monroe a couple weeks ago. Also the conversation that I had with Ruth yesterday. 1920 Federal Census, OH, Lucas Co., Jerusalem Twp.: Jerusalem Rd. Henry Witty, head, age 51 Elizabeth, wife, age 45 name unreadable, daughter, age 19 Navarre, Frederick, relationship unreadable, perhaps nephew, age 17 Navarre, Joseph, father-in-law, age 85 This would be our Maria¹s brother 1920 Federal Census, OH, Lucas Co., Oregon Twp.: Louis Navarre, head, age 44 Rhoda, wife, age 35 Alma, daughter, age 15 Robert, son, age 12 Ruth, dau, age 7 George, son, age 5 Alice, dau, age 9 mos This would be our Maria¹s brother and Ruth¹s (below) father. 1920 Federal Census, OH, Lucas Co., Oregon Twp.: Rudolph, head, age 41, b. OH Adele, wife, age 34, Filisa, mother, age 76, Samuel¹s widow ************** Conversation with Ruth Navarre Kuhn Chamberlain @ Luther Village, Wolfe Home in Maumee, OH: Three children by Kuhn, none by Chamberlain. Ruth was a nurse and worked at the old Toledo Hospital and later at Flower Hospital. (According to St. Louis Church Records, p. 228, she married Leo George Kuhn in 1931.) 1 son-Leo Kuhn who is a minister in the Church of Christ in Pricetown, OH which is near Cincinnati. Daughter, Joyce who married Charlie Todd. They have one child. Daughter, Evelyn who married Tom Jackson and they have three children. She said she remembers many Navarres, but it gets "mixed up in my head". Thought she remembered Emma. But I don't think she remembers my grandmother Emma, since she would have died before Ruth was born. ***************** Did you have a chance to look over the mail I sent you while you were gone? Bettajoyce I have a newspaper article (obit) ca 1915 that has a picture of Victoria Cadaract (note spelling). Also "The History of Ottawa County, Ohio and Its Families", p.245 has an article on her that states, in part, "Mrs. Cataract's husband was of half French descent, but she was a widow most of her life. Her own father apparently died rather young, too, and HER MOTHER REMARRIED THE ELDEST BROTHER OF PETER AND ROBERT NAVARRE." That would be Francis. Caps are mine. I found this article back in the early days before I was smart enough to copy the frontpiece of the books I reference, so I don't have the copyright date or publisher. I can send you the whole article if you want. Alexis married Marianne Cadoret and can be found in Dennison, p.195. She was born 13 Sept 1811, Det. and married Alexis, son of Francois, 9 Sept 1833, St. Antoine. Hope this helps. --------- Thanks for the info. I asked because Larry Michaels has Francis Navarre as the husband while Pat Tucker who sent me the images has Alexis. Is your picture of Victoria the same as the one on my Navarre page? Did you read the Larry Michaels article online regarding Victoria? image: http://mlloyd.bayside.net/gen/navarre/images/vc01.jpg article: Larry R. Michaels. "Victoria Cadaract: Last of the Chippewa." Section in East Side Story: People and Places in the History of East Toledo 14-16. Toledo, Oh: Bihl House Publishing, 1993. VICTORIA CADARACT: LAST OF THE CHIPPEWA When she died on March 23, 1915, Victoria Cadaract was the last of the Chippewa Tribe and probably the last full-blooded Native-American left from the pioneer days in Northwest Ohio. Living in a small, dilapidated cabin near Curtice, on what is now the Chippewa Golf Course, Mrs. Cadaract kept alive the memory of her ancestors who once roamed all the land in this region. Because she remembered stories of Indian braves preparing to attack Fort Meigs in 1813, she was believed to be 105 years old at the time of her death. The 1900 U.S. Census for Allen Township, Ottawa County, however, records her birth as February 1828. She was born in Ohio, as were both of her parents. Her grandfather was chief of the tribe which owned much of the land around Presque Isle and Ironville. He once mocked the British soldiers stationed in the area by dressing in a red uniform and strutting around waving a military sword "much to the delight of the braves about him." Mrs. Cadaract's father apparently died when she was young, and her mother remarried Francis Navarre, the older brother of Peter and Robert Navarre. Her husband, who was of half French descent, also died young, leaving her a widow for the greater part of her long life. According to the 1880 Census, she had a son Peter (1864) and a daughter Catherine (1866), and her occupation was listed as "basket maker." Though she remained very independent all her life, Mrs. Cadaract had many friends among the white settlers. Her cabin stood on a large farm owned by Thad Taylor, and he insisted that his workers also plow land for her garden so that she could grow the corn, potatoes, and beans she needed to survive. Mr. Taylor and his wife Harriet, who later owned the house at Starr and Euclid that became the East Side YMCA and Toddler Nursery, were largely responsible, along with Louis Metzger, for preserving the memory of Mrs. Cadaract's life. She was a proud woman and refused to accept charity. When she was past eighty, and had lost almost the entire sight in one eye, she still walked the two miles into Curtice to buy the few goods she needed. Her neighbors tried to help, however, and in December 1898 a local newspaper reported, "The people of Curticeville held a box social at the church Wednesday night for the benefit of Mrs. Cadaract, an old Indian woman." Her pride is also apparent in the well-known story of the Navarre Monument. Because of her close connection with the Navarre family, she was invited to the July 4, 1914 dedication of the new monument to Peter and Robert at Navarre Park. She was 86 years old and had less than a year to live, but according to an account at the time, she refused to attend the ceremony because "she had not done her washing yet and could not think of going out unless her wearing apparel was in order." By this time she was "tired" and had trouble "getting about." In early March 1915, she fell and broke her femur, and thirteen days later she died of pneumonia in the Ottawa County Infirmary at Oak Harbor. The proud Indian woman who in her youth witnessed the forced evacuation of her people from their homelands lies in an unmarked grave in Allen Township Cemetery, a grave she had purchased herself many years before for two dollars. >>> "bettajoyce chio" 03/21/00 02:46PM >>> I have a newspaper article (obit) ca 1915 that has a picture of Victoria Cadaract (note spelling). Also "The History of Ottawa County, Ohio and Its Families", p.245 has an article on her that states, in part, "Mrs. Cataract's husband was of half French descent, but she was a widow most of her life. Her own father apparently died rather young, too, and HER MOTHER REMARRIED THE ELDEST BROTHER OF PETER AND ROBERT NAVARRE." That would be Francis. Caps are mine. I found this article back in the early days before I was smart enough to copy the frontpiece of the books I reference, so I don't have the copyright date or publisher. I can send you the whole article if you want. Alexis married Marianne Cadoret and can be found in Dennison, p.195. She was born 13 Sept 1811, Det. and married Alexis, son of Francois, 9 Sept 1833, St. Antoine. Hope this helps. Bettajoyce Bettajoyce ------------- Subject: Charles DuChene Creation Date: 3/21/00 7:17PM From: "Bob McDonald" Hi Marshall My name is Bob McDonald, I live in Cedar Springs, Mich. I came across your site in my search for information on my gg grandfather Charles DuChene born Dec-04-1813 in Detroit Mich. He was the son of Peter DuChene and Mary Ann Greffard and the younger brother of Monica DuChene born Nov-30-1800 [the wife of Robert Navarre]. If you have any information on Charles that you would like to share it would be greatly appriciated. I would especially like to find information on his wife, my gg grandmother. Even her name would be great news. Hope to hear from you soon. Thank you very mutch. Bob Mc My e-mail address is Bigbobmc@mail.cmedic.net -------- Subject: Re: Cadaract/Cadoret Creation Date: 3/21/00 9:17PM From: "bettajoyce chio" It would appear that Larry Michaels used the article from the book I made reference to in his article. Also the newspaper article I have refers to her "when a young grown woman she took care of Robert Navarre when he was a baby. Navarre died about one year ago, more than 80 years old." I just may copy both articles and send them so you have them for your files, not necessarily to put on your site. I have "The East Side Story" and also Wrights book "The East Side", a reprint, originally written 1894 and reprinted 1994. Do you have that one? The picture from the news article is different than the one from Pat Tucker. His has her with one of her baskets. The one in the newspaper does not. Also, I'm checking on the Chippewa heritage. The Ottawas were the ones the Navarre Reservation land was taken from. At one time Stan Bourdo told me he didn't think she was a Chippewa. More later on that. Would you be coming north on I-75? If so, take 475/23 West. After going over the bridge at the Maumee River, exit at Rt 24/Anthony Wayne Trail. That is exit 4. Go east to Key St., turn right (there is a light). Go a couple blocks. It dead ends. Turn right (River Rd.). Almost immediately you see a red brick building ahead. Follow the curve in the street past the building. Turn right. Small parking lot is on your right. It is one way. Go in, park. The tall part of the building marked auditorium is where they hold the meeting. The streets on either side of the library are Williams and St. John. Can't remember which is which. The streets aren't one way, just the drive in the parking lot. Address is 501 River Rd., Maumee. tele: 419-259-5360 If you are coming from the east side, almost anyone can direct you to the Anthony Wayne Trail. The Toledo Zoo is on the Trail. They were working on an entrance/exit for the Trail off 280. Don't know if it is open yet. You would be heading west and would make a left turn at Key St. The rest is the same. If you need more info, let me know. I don't know if I can make it or not. Would love to meet you though. Mary Ellen urged me to come back for the lecture. She was quite upset that they changed it. I drove in constant rain both days. Hope next weekend is better! --------- from http://www.evansville.net/~dkrupp/ottawa/query1998july-december.htm mailto:blsg@wwisp.com Bob Wilson November 9, 1998 RUMERY, Daniel. Had 2 daughters, Mary and Adelia. Adelia Amy RUMERY was born Jan. 22, 1888 maybe in Michigan. She was part Ottawa Indian. Somehow, Peter Navarre is a relative. She married Frank Diedrich (Dietrich) who was baptized in St. Paul's Lutheran Church-Ottawa Co. Ohio. Thanks for any help. Bob Wilson ------- Subject: Navarre Family Photo Gallery Creation Date: 3/27/00 12:41PM From: Gayle & Jerry Navarre Created By: gnaos@xpressweb.com Recipients sms-va.com SMS Post Office.SMS Mail Domain mlloyd (Marshall Lloyd) Hi Marshall, Just wanted to express my thanks for your awesome website. Your cousin, Connie Anderson, turned me on to it. There is so much interesting and valuable information there, that I'm sure it will take me a while to view it all. I have to force myself to turn the computer off after awhile. It's like a piece of chocolate cake. A bite at a time! Keep up the good work. If I come across something you might be able to use, I'll definitely forward it. Thanks again, Gayle Navarre Kanab, Utah ----------- Wright, Isaac. The East Side: Past and Present by Isaac Wright. Toledo: 1894, p. 112 "Probably the oldest settler now living in Ironville is Robert Navarre, keeper of the range lights, and son of Robert Navarre, son of Robert Navarre, the scout of Gen. Harrison. Mr. Navarre came on this side of the river from Monroe, in April, 1840, and has had charge of the range lights since September, 1868. Mr. Navarre served three years in the 100th O.V.I., and received two severe wounds in the service of his country." The above is correct except for the appositive "the scout of Gen. Harrison." The lighthouse keeper was Robert C. Navarre (husband of Lucinda and vet. of the 100th). The Civil War pension files show as much as do the Toledo city directory and census files. NAVARRE, LUCINDA Co: LUCAS Death: 7/17/1913 Vol: 1129 Certificate: 41320 NAVARRE ROBERT R Co: LUCAS Death: 1/7/1914 Vol: 1271 Certificate: 3905 On Thursday, January 8, 1914, the subject of a Toledo Blade obituary identifies William Navarre's father Robert Navarre as the son of the scout Robert [Hutro] Navarre. Former Resident of 1712 Cutter street Robert "P." Navarre [the middle initial is most likely in error as he is listed Robert R. on his death certificate, tombstone] as the [where the city directory always listed as Robert R.]. Toledo City Directory 1900-1916 The following are the entries for 1712 Cutter (by the old numbering, presently in the 1500's). Robert R. Navarre [Sept. 3, 1830-Jan. 7, 1914] is listed as the owner from 1900-1913 (age 71-84 since he was listed as 51 at the time of the 1880 Census). The names of the "boarders" mostly coincide with those of his sons [grandsons?]. The Toledo Blade obituary (1/8/1914) lists him as Robert P. Navarre, 83 at time of death and his address as 524 Front St., the address of William's restaurant. The middle initial P is a corruption. Robert R. is carried in the city directory, on his death certificate, on his wife's death certificate, and on his headstone. 1899-00 Navarre Robert R, h 206 Euclid av. 1899-00 Navarre Edward P, porter, bds 206 Euclid av. 1899-00 Navarre Joseph, bartndr, bds 206 Euclid av. 1900-01 Navarre Robert R, h 1712 Cutter. [Age 71] 1900-01 Navarre Edward P, clk, bds 1712 Cutter. [Age 20] 1900-01 Navarre Joseph, bds 1712 Cutter. [Age 17] 1900-01 Navarre Louis R, bartender, bds 1712 Cutter. [Age 25] 1901-02 Navarre Robert R, h 1712 Cutter. [Age 72] 1901-02 Navarre Edward P, lab. bds 1712 Cutter. [Age 21] 1901-02 Navarre Joseph, lab. bds 1712 Cutter. [Age 18] 1901-02 Navarre Louis R, lab. bds 1712 Cutter. [Age 26] 1902 Navarre Robert R, h 1712 Cutter. [Age 73] 1902 Navarre Adam, ironwkr, bds 1712 Cutter. [Age 31] 1902 Navarre Andrew, lab, bds 1712 Cutter. [Age 33] 1902 Navarre Joseph, bartndr, bds 1712 Cutter. [Age 19] 1902 Navarre Louis R, lab. bds, h 277 Licking. [Age 27] 1903 Navarre Robert R, h 1712 Cutter. [Age 74] 1903 Navarre Joseph, ironwkr, bds 1712 Cutter. [Age 20] 1903 Navarre Louis, lab, bds 1712 Cutter. [Age 28] 1904 Navarre Robert R, h 1712 Cutter. [Age 75] 1904 Navarre Ernest, lab, bds 1712 Cutter. 1904 Navarre Joseph, puddler, bds 1712 Cutter. [Age 21] 1904 Navarre Louis, handy man Craig Ship Bld. Co, h 1712 Cutter. [Age 29] 1905 Navarre Robert R, h 1712 Cutter. [Age 76] 1905 Navarre Joseph, ironwkr, bds 1712 Cutter. [Age 22] 1906 Navarre Robert R, h 1712 Cutter. [Age 77] 1906 Navarre Joseph, ironwkr, bds 1712 Cutter. [Age 23] 1907 Navarre Robert R, h 1712 Cutter. [Age 78] 1908 Navarre Robert R, h 1712 Cutter. [Age 79] 1909 Navarre Robert R, h 1712 Cutter. [Age 80] 1909 Navarre Adam, lineman, bds 1712 Cutter. [Age 38] 1910 Navarre Robert R, h 1712 Cutter. [Age 81] 1910 Navarre Edward, lab. bds 1712 Cutter. [Age 30] 1910 Navarre Louis, lab. bds 1712 Cutter. [Age 35] 1910 Navarre Paul E, lab, bds 1712 Cutter. 1911 Navarre Robert R, h 1712 Cutter.[Age 82] 1911 Navarre Adam, carp, bds 1712 Cutter. [Age 40] 1911 Navarre Andrew, ironwkr, bds 1712 Cutter. [Age 42] 1912 Navarre Robert R, h 1712 Cutter. [Age 83] 1912 Navarre Andrew, ironwkr, bds 1712 Cutter. [Age 43] 1913 Navarre Robert R, h 1712 Cutter. [Age 84] 1913 Navarre Adam, lab, bds 1712 Cutter. [Age 42] 1913 Navarre Andrew, ironwkr, bds 1712 Cutter. [Age 44] [1914 Navarre Robert R, not listed. d. Jan. 7, 1914] ------- Subject: Change of Email Address Creation Date: 3/26/00 5:07PM From: Patrick Tucker Created By: patmtucker@earthlink.net Hi. I wanted to let you now that I recently joined EarthLink, America's fastest-growing Internet Service Provider, and I have a new email address. Please send your emails to: patmtucker@earthlink.net I don't want to lose any messages from you, so please remember to update your address book. EarthLink Sprint provides free Web space for its members, so I may be setting up my Web site at http://home.earthlink.net/~patmtucker/. Come visit me soon! If you are interested in joining EarthLink too, visit http://www.earthlink.net/join. Thanks. I hope to hear from you soon! Patrick P.S. My old address was:(pathcpis@aol.com) -------- love your "Wright is wrong" way of phrasing his error. It must have been a nightmare figuring out who all those Navarres were, exactly. I marvel at Father Dennison. The man must have had a fantastic mind. Or, perhaps, he was bored and his genealogies was a way to keep from going crazy. Although genealogy makes me go crazy sometimes!! Thanks for the naming of people in the Navarre/Keller picture. Larry Michaels book p. 173-174 about Julia Navarre--St. Louis Catholic Church Rescords have three marriages for her, Perry, Snyder and Fields. When next I'm at the Toledo Public Lib., I'll look up the article that was in the Blade, maybe they have more info. I've looked at his book many times and just noticed it recently. I heard from Bob Perry. He seems sincere in his research. I think he lives in CA and that must make it very difficult. He says the LDS lib. has Mary Archange as Peter Rumery's wife. So they got it from a reliable source. The marriage entry in the Ottawa Cty. records say Mrs., I have a handwritten copy and thought I might have copied it wrong. But, he has the same thing. That makes me think that she was a widow of a Navarre. I told him of that possibility. He made no comment on that. That picture of Mary Navarre I was telling you about is on that Bodi website IS Peter Rumery's wife. The website address is : www.zing.com/album/?id=4294805267 password: cutcher in case you want to take a look see. Got to go babysit for my granddaughter. Talk to you later. Bettajoyce ---------- Subject: Charles DuChene Creation Date: 3/21/00 7:17PM From: "Bob McDonald" Hi Marshall My name is Bob McDonald, I live in Cedar Springs, Mich. I came across your site in my search for information on my gg grandfather Charles DuChene born Dec-04-1813 in Detroit Mich. He was the son of Peter DuChene and Mary Ann Greffard and the younger brother of Monica DuChene born Nov-30-1800 [the wife of Robert Navarre]. If you have any information on Charles that you would like to share it would be greatly appriciated. I would especially like to find information on his wife, my gg grandmother. Even her name would be great news. Hope to hear from you soon. Thank you very mutch. Bob Mc My e-mail address is Bigbobmc@mail.cmedic.net -------- Hi Marshall, I have been out of touch for a while because life has been very busy and hectic lately. I have returned to the work force after a nine year absence. I am working at Bob's architectural firm The Smith Group in D.C. I agreed to 3 days a week. Tues., Wed., and Thurs. I will be managing the Technical and Interiors Library for the firm. We have a contract librarian on-site on Monday and Friday. I started on April 4th. We took a week off for Easter break. We went back home to Michigan to visit the family. Bob announced to the kids and I that we are leaving for Ireland in mid-May. We will be gone for about 11 days. Its a good thing that Bob negotiated this job offer for me, because he had all this pre-arranged time off agreed to ahead of time in the offer letter. I was hoping you might have some suggestions of things to see in Ireland. I know you have traveled extensively. Bob and I did spend a few day in Ireland on our honeymoon 17 years ago. But that was a long time ago. Trevor and Tara would love to stay in a castle for a night and see some historical sites. Tara is anxious to see the 'Hill of Tara' outside of Dublin. If possible we would like to spend a few days in Scotland. Bob would love to see Bannockburn where Robert the Bruce defeated the British. That is one ancestor he is happy to claim. I never asked you about your connection to the Bruce. I assume your father is a descendant, since he shares the name. If you can share any travel suggestions with us, I would love it. My Great Grandparents (McDonald) on my Father's maternal side were born in Ireland. On his Dad's side (Taylor) they were born in England. I'd love to do some genealogy research while in Ireland, but we'll see. If you get a chance to write back, I'd enjoy hearing from you. Connie ---------- Subject: Re: Heutreau Navarre Creation Date: 5/25/00 9:07AM From: "Dennis Au" Created By: dennisau@hotmail.com Mr. Lloyd: What follows is a translation of a document I found in the Burton Historical Collection in the Detroit Public Library about fifteen years ago. It is a contract between François Marie Navarre DIT Heutreau and his mother Marie Barios, widow Navarre. I think it is one of the most interesting documents relating to Heutreau Navarre that I uncovered. Best, Dennis Au Before the undesigned witnesses residing at Detroit, and in default of a notary, there appeared in person Madame Marie Francois Southmand Barois, widow of the late Mr. Robert Navarre, who, because of her great age, is no longer able to handle her own affairs nor take care of her goods, which consist only of 1 1/2 arpents frontage of well improved land, located at the stated place. In consideration of the respect always shown her by her son Francois Navarre, and believing it just that this be recognized, the said lady, the widow Navarre, has by these presents given ceded, quit, and left, from now and forever, by foreseen and irrevocable gift, in the best form such a gift can take place, to the said Francois Navarre, her son, living at the said place, and to Marie Louise Goder, his wife, here present and accepting for them, their heirs, etc., all the goods and properties whatsoever, etc., which from this day shall belong to the said Francois Navarre, the whole enclosing 1 1/2 arpents in front by 40 arpents in depth, fronting on the river, bordered on the rear by unconceded lands, on the northeast by Joseph L'hivernois, and on the other, or southwest, side by another parcel of land belonging to the said recipient. On this 1 1/2 arpents of land is located a large house of wood, divided in half, of which the said lady donor occupies currently half, and the said recipient the rest, along with the fruit trees and all that can be valued, with neither reservation nor exception, guaranteeing all against any troubles, debts, mortgages, taxes, alienations, and other obstacles possible for all the said goods to be enjoyed by the said Francois Navarre, his heirs, as property belonging to him, including real estate and buildings, starting from this day, as well as the furniture as they have been awarded the said lady for her widow's dowery, as has been previously agreed upon in the partition that the heirs made together, such as were mentioned, from the day of the death of the said donor, reserving the use thereof for the duration of her life only, as well as the use of the house where she is living, which she wants to occupy during this same time, alone, with her servants. Recognizing the said Francois Navarre to have in possession the rest of the furnishings and several agricultural implements of which he discharges the said lady who tranfered to him by these presents all rights of ownership. This present gift is thus made on the clauses and conditions stated above of rents, arrears, seigneural rights, and other services to which the said lands may be subject, and by the duty of the said recipient to quit and indemnify the said woman, his mother, and besides this, to give her all the respect and care possible, to nourish, warm her and furnish linen, apparel, shoes, repairs, laundry, etc., as is suitable to her state, without necessity of being asked, and also to feed and supply her maid and servant as they are accustomed, neither of whom can be ordered about without her wish during her lifetime. And in case the said recipient and his wife do not perform their obligations to the said woman, whether in sickness or in health, they will be held responsible to fournish her every year, delivered to her storage area, 1500 pounds of good flour, 100 pounds of good salt pork in a salting tub, 150 pounds of fresh beef, 1 1/2 bushels of salt, 2 pounds of pepper, and to deliver to her door 12 cords of good wood, all of which must be delivered to the said woman by the said recipient, her son, 4 times during the course of the year; that is, 1/4 of the whole, every 3 months on the same date. Moreover, he is obligated to give the said woman each year 2 complete suits of clothes, 4 fine shirts, 3 pairs of French shoes, hairdressings, kerchiefs, and generally everything she needs and is suited to her taste, including every year 12 gallons of rum, 12 gallons of good wine, 10 pounds in New York currency upon demand of the said woman, and to take care of her in case of illness, including supplying a doctor, and for whatever else may came up, and after her death, to have her honorably buried, have a service sung for her, or a high mass, and on the same date and day of the anniversary of her death have another service or high mass sung, as well as having 12 low masses said for the repose of her soul, all at his own expense and as soon as possible. In addition, 15 pounds of coffee and 5 quarts of sugar. In which case, the day of the death of the said woman, the said recipient, his heirs, etc., shall have cause to take full and complete possession of all property as shall be then admitted, valued, and recognized as belonging to the said woman, wherever located. And for the execution of these presents, the said parties have chosen their home, each in their house, etc., renouncing, obligating, etc., each in their place, etc. Completed and signed in the said places by the said parties who, declaring themselves unable to sign, have made their customary marks after the reading on this day, Saturday, the 7th day of the month of July, 1792. In the presence of Mssrs her J. S. Cabasis Marie Barois Louis Dessine mark Widow Navarre his Francois Navarre mark her Marie Goder Navarre mark Frs. Pepin ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com --------- Mail Envelope Properties (3982F5DD.CAE : 14 : 7342) Subject: Re: robert navarre Creation Date: 7/29/00 11:18AM From: "Robert Holloway" Created By: "rjholl@slip.net".GWIA.SMS Mail Domain Recipients SMS Post Office.SMS Mail Domain mlloyd (Marshall Lloyd Marshall, I am in awe of your site! The amount of data that you have collected is astounding. I have taken the liberty of updating several of my lines that you have referenced on your site, ie; Navarre, Marsac, Tremblay. Thank you very much for all of your work, it is fantastic! I wish I had some old photos to add to my website, but unfortunately I have not found any. Keep up the good work, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marshall Lloyd" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 6:30 PM Subject: robert navarre Delighted to find your site. If you are interested in Robert Navarre material please visit my site. http://www.mlloyd.org I also have a family tree at the site. --------- Marguerite CARPENTIER(b.1830 Keokek,Iowa),daughter of Jean Baptiste and one of his wives (Rachel JOHNSON) married Andrew Jackson STYERS in St. Charles, MO in 1849. AJ or Jack STYERS was born in or near Philadelphia,Pa in 1826. They purchased land in Calhoun County,IL (across the Mississippi River from St. Charles, MO where the Mississippi river makes the horseshoe loop just before merging with Illinois River and then the Missouri River.) They also purchased an island called STYERS ISLAND in middle of Mississippi River where son, George Washington STYERS lived with his family. (STYERS Island became Big Star and Little STAR after a flood divided it. Then after the gov purchased it in early 1900's it is listed by a number instead of a name but on old maps it is distinctly STYERS ISLAND.) Marguerite had a half sister who married into the GODIN family I believe. Jean Baptiste Carpentier also came to the STATES and was found in the St. Louis-St. Charles area in early 1800's. In 1780 Jean Baptiste Carpentier was in Floressent, MO (sp?) Calhoun County is between ILL River and MISSISSIPPI RIVER now but used to cover much more...2 or 3 other counties are now cut out of the old Calhoun CO. I believe the GODINs lived on the ILL RIVER and had a house big enough to hold services when the traveling priest (catholic) came through. Styers lived down by Point Precinct. Marguerite and AJ STYERS had 9 children, we have found only 5 of them: AJ JR who died at abt 20 years old; George Washington, William David, Cornelia, & Margaret J. there may be others by names of Mary, Joseph Henry, Francis M, John Charles but these are unverified. We have found descendants for 4 of the first 5. After A. J. STYERS died, Marguerite married Joseph NAVARRE. Geo Washington STYERS married Matilda Ellen MEEKER. (Matilda's mother married Joseph Navarre's brother Antoine NAVARRE after the death of Levi MEEKER.) George and Matilda had 6 children but we have found only 2: Roy David and Sherman Monroe STYERS both buried in St. Petersburg, FL. there was a Robert and a John but we do not know if these were 2 of the 4 missing children. Also Sherman Monroe STYERS was living at same address as FREDERICK STYERS in St. Louis in 1913 directory. We don't know who Frederick is either. Did he have any descendants? William David married Margaret WHITESIDE and they came to St. Petersburg, FL too. (buried there) they had one daughter, Jesse, who married Putt Dardin HALEY. Margaret J. STYERS married Theodore DeSherlia (Degurlia). They stayed in St. Charles, MO. I understand most of their children went to California. From what I have, Rachel Johnson married Albert DeSherlia after the death or divorce of Jean Baptiste Carpentier (must sound like americanese.. Carpunky when Carpentier is pronounced in French?) Cornelia married Forrest ELLEDGE and they moved to Okeechobee, FL abt 1918. Their descendants are living in Jacksonville, FL and California. Is this the same family: From the Loiselle marriage listing, Jean Baptiste Carpentier and Angelique Godin listed as the parents of Eloi Carpentier who married Adelaide, Marcotte in 1848 in Quebec, Canada. Three of their children came to the Upper Peninsula of Michigan (Lake Linden), Philomena who married Mederic Picotte, Henri who married twice, and Simon. Note: NAVARRE, DeSHERLIA, CARPENTIER, French trappers & explorers??? Would like to find cousins who are descendants of these families. would like to find A.J. STYERS' family (ancestry) Would like to know much more about the GODIN-CARPENTIER families! Thanks, Patije and Roy Styers, 1340 Rhodes Ave, Sarasota,FL 34239-2732, FAX 941-952-0023, E-mail: Mail to: Roystyers@iname.com OR Patije@cheerful.com Denissen on CD http://www.quintinpublications.com/familygenealogies_n.html ------------------ Subject: John Navarre Quarter Back Creation Date: 8/26/00 9:00PM From: "rctta" Have you seen the sports news this week? The University of Michigan football team will have a new starting QB for their first game next week. Check out the web site for Det. News Sports: www.detnews.com/2000/um/0008/26/g01-110844.htm Bob is a graduate of U of M and he follows the sports program. We usually try to get to one Home Game a year (Homecoming). It turns out the regular QB broke his foot two days ago. So our cousin, who has never played in a regular season college game, is the back up QB and He's the Man! I assume he is our cousin, since all the Navarre's in the USA are descended from Robert de Navarre. Am I right? Now I'm so curious. I wish I know who his Dad is and which line of the family they are descended from. After you check out the story, let me know what you think. ------------ "bettajoyce chio" Monday, August 28, 2000 Did you get the snail mail I sent to you? I've been working on the cemetery pictures that I have. The Navarre photos had gotten out of hand. Now they are organized (as much as I ever am!). I have so many that don't match any names I have. I've been using your website to help, but we have almost the same names. I did find a couple, and some descrepancies. I'll go back to Monroe Lib. where I got my spouses etc. and make copies. I MAY have copied some of it wrong. Mostly St. Mary records that I did early on. For some reason (too cheap?) I didn't xerox them, at least I can't find them! I reorganized the Navarre files earlier this summer, so I could find info easier. A good plan, but it isn't working in this case! Has school started? Oh, HAPPY DAYS! Good luck on the new year. Bettajoyce ------- Descendants of Alexis Navarre 1 Alexis Navarre 1800-1864 b: February 14, 1800 in St. Antoine, River Raisin d: 1864 +Mary Ann Cadoret 1811-1889 b: September 13, 1811 m: September 09, 1833 in St. Antoine, River Raisin d: 1889 ....2 Alexander J. Navarre 1835-1862 b: Abt. 1835 d: 1862 ....2 Francis Xavier D. Navarre 1837-1906 b: 1837 d: February 07, 1906 in Oregon Twp., OH +Anna McCarty 1844-1930 b: 1844 m: 1871 d: Abt. December 23, 1930 in Bono, OH .......3 Gabrielle Navarre 1872-1961 b: 1872 d: 1961 +Guy K. Houk 1872-1945 b: 1872 m: June 13, 1897 in Toledo, OH d: 1945 .......3 Jennie Navarre 1875-1965 b: 1875 d: February 07, 1965 ....2 Cecilia Navarre 1840-b: Abt. 1840 +Thomas Dunn ....2 David Navarre 1842-1927 b: Abt. 1842 d: January 02, 1927 in Toledo, OH +Eveline Meister 1847-1924 b: Abt. 1847 d: August 13, 1924 in Toledo, OH ....2 Mary Elizabeth Navarre 1845-1932 b: 1845 d: 1932 +Cadwalader M. Williams 1841-1923 b: 1841 m: 1866 d: 1923 .......3 Thaddeus C. Williams 1878-1947 b: 1878 d: 1947 +Rena A. Momany 1882-1946 b: 1882 d: 1946 ...........4 Helen Williams 1904- b: 1904 +Elmer Lang ................5 Richard C. Lang 1941-b: 1941 ................5 Judy Lang ...........4 Archie Williams 1905-1957 b: 1905 d: 1957 +Thelma McGrew .......3 Alta Williams-1921 d: Aft. 1921 +Robert Leidel b: in Of Ida, MI .......3 Nora Williams +Unknown Smith .......3 C. Archie Williams 1870-1885 b: 1870 d: Bet. 1885-1895 ....2 Sarah Navarre 1848-b: Abt. 1848 +Fred Miller Descendants of Alexis Navarre Generation No. 1 1. ALEXIS 1 NAVARRE was born February 14, 1800 in St. Antoine, River Raisin, and died 1864. He married MARY ANN CADORET September 09, 1833 in St. Antoine, River Raisin, daughter of NICHOLAS CADORET and AMABLE HUYET. She was born September 13, 1811, and died 1889. Notes for MARY ANN CADORET: Both bride and groom resided at "Presqu'Ile" near Monroe. The Cadoret family of Michigan descends from George Cadoret, born in 1630 in France. He came to Canada and married at Quebec, in 1657. His great grandson Francis Cadoret came to Detroit, where he married in 1775. Another great grandson Nicolas Cadoret came to Detroit, where he married in 1804. More About MARY ANN CADORET: Baptism: June 08, 1814, Detroit Children of ALEXIS NAVARRE and MARY CADORET are: i. ALEXANDER J.2 NAVARRE, b. Abt. 1835; d. 1862. More About ALEXANDER J. NAVARRE: Cause of Death: Died in service 2. ii. FRANCIS XAVIER D. NAVARRE, b. 1837; d. February 07, 1906, Oregon Twp., OH. iii. CECILIA NAVARRE, b. Abt. 1840; m. THOMAS DUNN. iv. DAVID NAVARRE, b. Abt. 1842; d. January 02, 1927, Toledo, OH; m. EVELINE MEISTER; b. Abt. 1847; d. August 13, 1924, Toledo, OH.. More About DAVID NAVARRE: Medical Information: died at 86 Obituary: January 03, 1927, Toledo Blade More About EVELINE MEISTER: Medical Information: died at 77 Obituary: August 13, 1924, Toledo Blade 3. v. MARY ELIZABETH NAVARRE, b. 1845; d. 1932. vi. SARAH NAVARRE, b. Abt. 1848; m. FRED MILLER. Generation No. 2 2. FRANCIS XAVIER D.2 NAVARRE (ALEXIS 1) was born 1837, and died February 07, 1906 in Oregon Twp., OH. He married ANNA MCCARTY 1871. She was born 1844, and died Abt. December 23, 1930 in Bono, OH. More About ANNA MCCARTY: Obituary: December 23, 1930, Toledo Blade Children of FRANCIS NAVARRE and ANNA MCCARTY are: i. GABRIELLE3 NAVARRE, b. 1872; d. 1961; m. GUY K. HOUK, June 13, 1897, Toledo, OH; b. 1872; d. 1945. ii. JENNIE NAVARRE, b. 1875; d. February 07, 1965. More About JENNIE NAVARRE: Obituary: February 08, 1965, Toledo Blade Residence: February 07, 1965, 5136 Pickfair Dr., Toledo, OH. 3. MARY ELIZABETH2 NAVARRE (ALEXIS 1) was born 1845, and died 1932. She married CADWALADER M. WILLIAMS 1866. He was born 1841, and died 1923. Children of MARY NAVARRE and CADWALADER WILLIAMS are: 4. i. THADDEUS C.3 WILLIAMS, b. 1878; d. 1947. ii. ALTA WILLIAMS, d. Aft. 1921; m. ROBERT LEIDEL; b. Of Ida, MI. iii. NORA WILLIAMS, m. UNKNOWN SMITH. iv. C. ARCHIE WILLIAMS, b. 1870; d. Bet. 1885-1895. ---------- Agnes Schnee, born 19 Dec 1874 in Toledo, OH. Married David Navarre, born 3 Dec 1871. Children Ruth, Hazel (married a Peltier), Edward, Paul A., David E. NAVARRE DAVID 3 Dec 1871 OH 3 Mar 1955 LOS ANGELES 550-03-0389 mo CLUCKY fa NAVARRE also Charles P? NAVARRE, CHARLES P MALE 17 Mar 1902 OH d 9 Mar 1969 LOS ANGELES 563-01-4103 mo SCHNEE Census Place: Toledo, Lucas, Ohio Source: FHL Film 1255043 National Archives Film T9-1043 Page 87D Relation Sex Marr Race Age Birthplace Joe SCHNEE Self M M W 46 BAD Occ: Saloon Fa: BAD Mo: BAD Julia SCHNEE Wife F M W 41 BYRAN Occ: Housekeeper Fa: BYRAN Mo: BYRAN Clara SCHNEE Dau F S W 20 OH Occ: Dressmaker Fa: BAD Mo: BYRAN Sophia SCHNEE Dau F S W 16 OH Occ: Dressmaker Fa: BAD Mo: BYRAN Mena SCHNEE Dau F S W 14 OH Occ: Dressmaker Fa: BAD Mo: BYRAN Joe SCHNEE Son M S W 12 OH Occ: At School Fa: BAD Mo: BYRAN William SCHNEE Son M S W 9 OH Occ: At School Fa: BAD Mo: BYRAN Agnes SCHNEE Dau F S W 5 OH Fa: BAD Mo: BYRAN Eddie SCHNEE Son M S W 4M OH Fa: BAD Mo: BYRAN NAME DATE PARENTS Ida 21 Sep 1878 Albert Julia Hattie M. 14 Sep 1874 David Evline Gilbert 8 Aug 1867 David Victoria Mary E. 28 May 1878 George Mary E. Pearl R. 22 Dec 1876 Isadore Mary Joseph 13 Dec 1874 Isadore Rose Francis 30 Nov 1873 Isadore Rose Bruno 27 Jan 1878 Isadore Rose Evline 11 Sep 1874 J C Lilla 26 May 1871 James Adaline Kate 29 Dec 1875 James Adeline Unnamed 11 Apr 1872 Isadore Rose Francis 15 Dec 1868 Joseph Bernice Chas. 15 Oct 1875 Lamber Augustine Abram 15 Nov 1871 Lambert Angeline Delia 24 May 1878 Philip Celia Andrew 30 mar 1869 Robert R. Maria Mary 26 May 1873 Robt. Mary Louis 9 Sep 1875 R. R. Maria Sam'l. I. 26 Mar 1876 Sam'l. Eliza Jessie J. 5 Aug 1877 Tonsanit Celeste Jeneva 25 Sep 1874 Xavia Annie Gabrella 13 Dec 1871 Xervid Anna Navoy, David 3 Dec 1871 David Victoria (I will check the entries for these, but this is the spelling as it was put in the indexes.) I will find more the next time I'm at the library. I was born in Toledo and am looking for info on a Sarah Navarre. She was my great great grandmother. She married an unknown (first name) last name Durell. He was born in Monroe Mi. They had a son by the mane of George M. Durell.Maybe we are connected. I have some articles that talk about Peter Navarre and have heard my dad talk about him...Would like to hear from you. I am trying to get information on David Navarre, supposedly born on Dec. 3, 1871 near Toledo, OH. He married Agnes Schnee, also of the Toledo area. Would you be able to help? ------- 9:40:15 AM Friday, September 01, 2000 Bettajoyce, I have updated some info especially using the SSDI. I now have more specific dates on the Langs. I also had used simple math on the census records to arrive at birth years for Gay [Gabriella] and Jennie Navarre and so could be off a year depending on whether the census was taken before or after the birthday for that year. I found more specific dates for them on line [if that can be trusted: "NAVARRE BIRTHS IN LUCAS CO., OH" http://www.familyhistory.com/messages/ShowMsg.asp?id=2091725 ]. Wherever you see a soc. security no. obviously I've used SSDI. Wherever you see an obit. date, I've used the obit index at the Toledo Library. I've also added a WHAT'S NEW feature to my web site, and a MONITOR function that will e-mail you when a specific page is updated. The MONITOR function only works on the top page so far but WHAT'S NEW is now site wide!! enjoy! Marshall Descendants of Alexis Navarre Generation No. 1 1. ALEXIS 1 NAVARRE was born February 14, 1800 in St. Antoine, River Raisin, and died 1864. He married MARY ANN CADORET September 09, 1833 in St. Antoine, River Raisin, daughter of NICHOLAS CADORET and AMABLE HUYET. She was born September 13, 1811, and died 1889. Notes for MARY ANN CADORET: Both bride and groom resided at "Presqu'Ile" near Monroe. The Cadoret family of Michigan descends from George Cadoret, born in 1630 in France. He came to Canada and married at Quebec, in 1657. His great grandson Francis Cadoret came to Detroit, where he married in 1775. Another great grandson Nicolas Cadoret came to Detroit, where he married in 1804. More About MARY ANN CADORET: Baptism: June 08, 1814, Detroit Children of ALEXIS NAVARRE and MARY CADORET are: i. ALEXANDER J.15 NAVARRE, b. Abt. 1835; d. 1862. More About ALEXANDER J. NAVARRE: Cause of Death: Died in service 2. ii. FRANCIS XAVIER D. NAVARRE, b. 1837; d. Feb. 07, 1906, Oregon Twp., OH. iii. CECILIA NAVARRE, b. Abt. 1840; m. THOMAS DUNN. ii. DAVID NAVARRE, b. Abt. 1842; d. January 02, 1927, Toledo, OH; m. EVELINE MEISTER; b. Abt. 1847; d. August 13, 1924, Toledo, OH. Notes for DAVID NAVARRE: NAVARRE, DAVID; Lucas Co. OH; d. 1/2/1927 Vol. 5256 Cert. NO. 4343 More About DAVID NAVARRE: Medical Information: died at 86 DC Obituary: January 03, 1927, Toledo Blade More About EVELINE MEISTER: Medical Information: died at 77 Obituary: August 13, 1924, Toledo Blade 3. i. MARY ELIZABETH NAVARRE, b. 1845; d. 1932. vi. SARAH NAVARRE, b. Abt. 1848; m. FREDERICK MILLER. Generation No. 2 2. FRANCIS XAVIER D. 2 NAVARRE (ALEXIS 1) was born 1837, and died February 07, 1906 in Oregon Twp., OH. He married ANNA MCCARTY 1871. She was born 1844, and died Abt. December 23, 1930 in Bono, OH. Notes for FRANCIS XAVIER D. NAVARRE: DIED: NAVARRE, FRANCIS EXIVIA D. at his residence in Oregon township Wednesday, February 7th, 1906, @ 3:30 p.m., Aged 68 years Funeral from the res., Friday at 2:20. Friends invited. More About ANNA MCCARTY: Obituary: December 23, 1930, Toledo Blade Children of FRANCIS NAVARRE and ANNA MCCARTY are: i. GABRIELLE16 NAVARRE, b. December 13, 1871; d. 1961; m. GUY K. HOUK, June 13, 1897, Toledo, OH; b. 1872; d. 1945. ii. JENNIE NAVARRE, b. September 25, 1874; d. February 07, 1965. More About JENNIE NAVARRE: Obituary: February 08, 1965, Toledo Blade Residence: February 07, 1965, 5136 Pickfair Dr., Toledo, OH. 3. MARY ELIZABETH 2 NAVARRE (ALEXIS 1) was born 1845, and died 1932. She married CADWALADER M. WILLIAMS 1866. He was born 1841, and died May 31, 1923 in Lucas Co. Oh. Notes for CADWALADER M. WILLIAMS: Death: 5/31/1923 Volume: 4178 Certificate Number: 34067 Children of MARY NAVARRE and CADWALADER WILLIAMS are: 4. i. THADDEUS C. 3 WILLIAMS, b. 1878; d. 1947. ii. ALTA WILLIAMS, d. Aft. 1921; m. ROBERT LEIDEL; b. Of Ida, MI. iii. NORA WILLIAMS, m. UNKNOWN SMITH. Notes for NORA WILLIAMS: prob. County: LUCAS Death: 5/16/1919 Volume: 2992 Cert. No. 34323 ii. C. ARCHIE WILLIAMS, b. 1870; d. Bet. 1885-1895. Generation No. 3 4. THADDEUS C. 3 WILLIAMS (MARY ELIZABETH 2 NAVARRE, ALEXIS 1) was born 1878, and died 1947. He married RENA A. MOMANY, daughter of JOHN MOMANY and SARAH MCGUIRE. She was born 1882, and died 1946. Children of THADDEUS WILLIAMS and RENA MOMANY are: 5. i. HELEN 4 WILLIAMS, b. January 27, 1904; d. March 12, 1991. ii. ARCHIE WILLIAMS, b. 1905; d. 1957; m. THELMA MCGREW. Generation No. 4 5. HELEN 4 WILLIAMS (THADDEUS C. 3, MARY ELIZABETH 2 NAVARRE, ALEXIS 1) was born January 27, 1904, and died March 12, 1991. She married ELMER LANG. He was born February 21, 1902, and died January 1975. More About HELEN WILLIAMS: Graduation: 1929, University of Toledo Social Security Number: 269-42-8145 More About ELMER LANG: Social Security Number: 292-07-7006 Children of HELEN WILLIAMS and ELMER LANG are: i. RICHARD C.18 LANG, b. October 22, 1941; d. March 1972. More About RICHARD C. LANG: Social Security Number: 288-36-8819 ii. JUDY LANG. ================ Subject: great minds--- Creation Date: 9/1/00 7:26PM From: "bettajoyce chio" We've had the same ideas. I went to the OHS site and got some death info. They list two Elizabeth Williams who died in Lucas Co. 1932, Apr. and June. I'm sending for both dc. David's stone reads born 1840. I haven't seen the stone, just the records for N. Oregon Cem. They list death and THEN birth and I'm used to thinking that way and it slows me down. Too set in my ways, I guess. Also, same records have Alexis D., (1880-1941) son of David,and wife Marguerite E. (1895-1945) and infant son Alexis (1914-1915). They are all five buried near each other. Also I found some notes that I had from Canady Center and inserted some of it into the notes for Helen and for Xavier. I did a copy and paste and inserted them on here. Hope it e-mails properly. Didn't know if you have these. They are handwritten. If you didn't copy them, I'll send you a copy --if you wish. These are rough drafts, so don't hold me to good grammar etc. But, I wanted to send them! Part of the family was here today and they just left. Jon is coming home tomorrow and we have tickets for the Tiger game at the new Comerica Park. More his idea than mine. Hope your family has a good holiday. Bettajoyce Ward M. Canady Center, University of Toledo, Toledo, OH: Helen Lang had been asked to write this sketch by her friends, Lucille Emak and Esther Lind--. In part---- According to a handwritten sketch of her life and that of her family, Helen was a schoolteacher for 36 years. She and Elmer Lang had two children, Judy and Richard. She was born in Toledo. Helen states, "Dad was y. child of G & G Williams. His eldest brother Archie who was killed in a wagon accident at age 25, then there was Alta, Nora and Thad." (her father). "Dad had married his only sweetheart Rena Momany. She was 22 - he was 25 and one half. When she died at age 64.- Dad said 'she was the only girl I have ever loved and I have done the last thing I can do for her". He died 18 mo later." Her family moved when she about three years old to her grandfather and grandmother's (Williams) farm on the Navarre Tract. See below. This would be the home of Elizabeth Navarre Williams and her husband Cad. The property was originally owned and farmed by Alexis Navarre. In another place in the article she states that she was born on the farm and lived there until her marriage. This is a parcel of land given to the Navarre brothers for their service during the War of 1812. Since they were not on any pension rolls, the government provided them with this land. It had been part of the Ottawa and Autokee Indian lands. They were removed to Walpole Island (in the area of the Detroit River). Helen asserts that the "leader of the tribe was usually a woman" and in this case, her name was Petau. "Many deeds or legal papers are among my possessions with her X mark as her legal seal. The French Navarres as well as the the Indian Petau could not write or understand any English. On many legal translations done in early and middle 1800 were signed with a simple X mark." "Well my earliest impression of the farm home was the first summer we moved there. Dad and Grandpa built our new home 6 rooms down and 2 up. The thing that impressed me the most was a colored man putting white plaster over wooden slats. My brother Archie who was then about 1 and one half yrs old grew up in that house until we were about 10 or 11. Grandma and Gr. Williams lived in the big house on the same land which was a grant from the U.S. gov't to the Navarre brothers for their service in the War of 1812. These four men Alexis, Francis, Robt and Peter were Gr (andmother) Williams uncles." __________________________________________________________________ Note: According to Jennie Navarre's obituary, she died in the home of Helen Williams Lang on 5136 Pickfair Dr. ---------------------------------------------------- Navarre-Williams Papers; Ward M. Canady Center, University of Toledo, Toledo, OH: According to the article written by Helen Williams Lang, Xavier Navarre's property was eventually bought by the Standard Oil Co. and used as loading docks by that company. This area was virgin timber when she was a child and she and her brother Archie walked and played there. There was an indian burial ground near by. Elizabeth Navarre Williams tended it for the indians after they were forced to move to Walpole Island by the U.S. government. "Gr. Williams said there was much weeping and the Chieftans charged her with caring for the graves of her children which she did. Many times a canoe would appear and the c. would come to see if she was keeping shells around the graves. This virgin timber was a beautiful spot for my brother and I to visit(.) in the summer the floor of the woods was like a carpet of blue violets, white jack in the pulpit and may flowers. Then one day the Standard Oil bought the property of Jennie and Gay Navarre Hooks father (Xavier Navarre) and the woods and its stories were destroyed and replaced by big oil tanks." --------- Subject: Anthon.htm Creation Date: 9/2/00 12:58PM From: "Anne Brown" Dear Mr. Lloyd, I had no idea that the Anthons came east from Detroit: your posting is very interesting. Charles Edw. Anton and Wm. Henry Anthon were buried in the Marble Cemetery; attached is the listing for Vault 44, in case you are curious. We are trying to identify some other connections. Can you by any chance tell us the parents of the Rev. Edward Anthon, died 1903, who married 1856 NYC, Helen Louise Post? (The DAR has a small volume by Stuyvesant Fish which will say, but I'm not planning on going in to DC soon.) Thank you for any help that you can give. Very truly yours, Anne W. Brown * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Anne W. Brown (Mrs. G. S.), Trustee New York Marble Cemetery, Inc. www.marblecemetery.org ------ From: "D. K. Spencer" To: Date: 9/4/00 5:00PM Subject: Navarre Hi Marshall, I am descended from Robert Navarre 2's son Pierre Pluyette who settled in South Bend Indiana. We have long felt we were descended from Jeanne d'Albret Queen of Navarre, and Antoine de Bourbon, due to several books on the subject, notably Navarre, or researches after the descendants, Robert Navarre, compiled by Christian Dennison's Pastor of St. Charles Church, Detroit, MI printed in 1897, printed by John F Eby & Co, Detroit, that we found in the DAR Library in Washington DC a few years ago; and Robert de Navarre, the Last of the Bourbons, by Olive Chapman Lauther. However, http://webhome.infonie.fr/jomave/ferlab/navarre.html seems to say otherwise, and in the portion under http://webhome.infonie.fr/jomave/ferlab/navrob.html has a disclaimer saying our claims are not valid. At least that is what I get from the advertisement, using a French-English dictionary to pick my way through, since I do not read or speak French. What is your feeling on this ? Dot Spencer (by husband Delbert) ------- I am also descended from Robert 2. (Robert 1, Robert 2, Robert T. 3, Maria Archangele 4 [m. Wm. Navarre 5 (Robert 1, Francis 2 dit Hutro, Robert 3 H. , Robert 4 R.)], Rachael 5&6 Marie (m. Marshall Lloyd)), Robert 6&7 Bruce Lloyd, Marshall 7&8 Davies Lloyd I would like you to help me in filling in your ancestry in the tree. Marshall Davies Lloyd PO Box 158 444 Water Lane Tappahannock, VA 22560 (804) 443-9444 mlloyd@sms-va.com -------- Regarding your question, it is a puzzle. It is true that several books refer to Robert 1's claiming noble birth. His grandchildren {Peter "the Scout," and Gen. Alexander Macomb} in all their testimony refer to this as well as does the Dictionary of Canadian biography. I have seen the site in France and do not dispute his information but to say "How does a man from simple farming stock come to America as the sub-delege all for Detroit?" I haven't had time to look up all the references but I understand that this position included responsibility for the judiciary for this region and extending west and south. Why also was his wedding attended by the Mayor of Quebec?: http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?lhbum:2:./temp/~ammem_T0AC:: Item 2 of 100 Historical collections. Collections and researches made by the Michigan pioneer and historical society... Reprinted by authority of the Board of state auditors. Volume 8 MARRIAGE CONTRACT BETWEEN MR. ROBERT NAVARRE AND MISS MARIE L'HOTEMONT-BARROIS, ETC.* * Translated by Rud. Worch and Dr. F. Krusty, editors of theMichigan Volksfreund Jackson, Mich. Before the undersigned, Jacques Pean, Esquire, Seigneur de Livandière, Knight of the Military Order of St. Louis. Major of town and government of Quebec, commanding for the King in the Fort Pont Chartrain du Detroit Erie, and the Reverend Father Bonaventure, Franciscan friar, missionary at the said post. Were present Robert Navarre, son of Marie Francois Navarre and of Jeanne Pluyette, his father and mother, born in the parish of Villeroy, diocese of Meaux, in France. And Mr. Francois L'Hotemont, called Barrois, and Demoiselle Marie Anne Sauvage, his wife, residents at the said post at Detroit, who stipulate for Marie L'Hotemont-Barrois, their daughter, who is present and accepts. And the said Robert Navarre and Marie L'Hotemont-Barrois, with the agreement of their parents and the following friends, on the part of the said Robert Navarre: of the above said Esquire Pean, of Mr. Duburont, Second Commander at Detroit, and of Mr. Duyveux, on the part of Marie L'Hotemont-Barrois: of her father and her mother, of Mr. and Mrs. De Roquetaittade, her grandparents on her mother's side, of Mr. Joseph Lequin de Laderoute, her uncle, on account of Francois Sauvage, her aunt on her mother's side, and of Charles Chesne, her uncle, on account of Catherine Sauvage, her aunt on her mother's side, and of the aforesaid Rev. Bonaventure, have promised and promise to take each other for husband and wife, by laws of marriage, and to have the same celebrated as soon as it may be done, and as shall be determined upon between them and their parents. The said couple shall be married in face of Our Mother, the Holy Catholic Apostolic and Roman Church, and have everything in common, personal property, earnings and real estate, according to the custom of Paris, which is followed in this country, and to which they refer and submit. In case they should live or acquire property in countries where custom should be contrary, the said future wife shall be endowed by the said future husband in the sum of three thousand livres, which shall not be deducted from her dower proper. The surviving party shall in either case have in preferred claim upon the estate of their future common property up to the sum of two thousand livres, according to an i