From James Knaggs, Toledo, 60 years old--son of Whitmore Knaggs, who with his brother, the late Capt. Jas. Knaggs, was a native of Detroit, of English descent.

      Witmore Knaggs was among the prisoners taken at Hull's surrender of Detroit--ever after regarded Hull as a traitor. Was also in Winchester's defeat at River Raisin--Col. Navarre & Mr. Lascelle (one of three brothers) encouraged Winchester to encamp--& invited him & others to their hospitality, & at evening, Lascelle dispatched a team across the frozen stream to Malden to Proctor, & by daylight the Americans were surprised & routed. Knaggs, Gen. Winchester & others undertook to escape--were headed & taken by seven _^^mounted indians under Young Blue Jacket. Winchester was stripped of his fine coat, & given a horse blanket _^^instead, & made to surrender his sword.

      An Indian soon made his appearance declaring that in the battle Knaggs had killed a friend of his, & he shoul^d. retaliate; but Blue Jacket protected him, by placing him between two horses on the march--and

     Whitmore Knaggs was long in the U.S. Service--was Indian Interpreter _^^{as early as} in 1811--a Lieutenant-- & long an Indian trader--died at Detroit in 1827 or '28.

Memo by L.C.D--This account [Knaggs'] is evidently _^^{Jul. 27} more or less unreliable--See Notes of Peter Navarre--(Blue Jacket's act was perhaps so:) See also Hosmer's Hist. Maumee Valley

     From Peter Navarre, born at Detroit, Jan. 22^d 1788--son of Francis Navarre, & grandson of Robert de Navarre--now residing at Cedar Point, or French town settlement, ab^t. 12 ^mis. East of Toledo, Ohio.

     Isadore Chaine--He died (perhaps around Malden) _[erroneous] about a year or two after the war of 1812-1814, fully 80 years old. Can't tell about his children--not of his nativity, probably from Montreal or Quebec. He was a good kind of man--rigid with the Indians as British _^^Sub Agent--large size, nearly six feet & heavy form. Thinks he went to Malden, when Americans took possession of Detroit in 1796, to retain his Indian agency. Too old to serve in war of 1812; Was a brother of Gabriel Chaine who remained in Detroit

     Robert de Navarre--_^^{(see memoirs of Gen. Macomb, p. 13)} descended from Henry Fourth of Navarre [Three of Navarre, Fourth of France]--and for some cause early _^^migrated to Detroit, when a young Man _^^{[see Memoirs of Gen. Macomb, p. 13]}: Left two brothers in France, John & Francis: Married & settled at Detroit as a farmer--was public Notary & magistrate (Hosmer's Hist. Maumee Valley) under British rule, & was also in 1760, when British took possession made principal Indian agent--& had Isadore Chaine as his deputy agent, who went with them on expeditions, & acted as _^^a chief & leader; but Navarre never went with them on such occasions, but paid the annuities, presents, &c. He remained at Detroit

     Capt. La Motte--never saw him--heard him spoken of--hence must have left early.

     Capt. W^m. Caldwell-- died near Malden a year or two after the war of 1812-15--an old man. Can't tell about his services--he bore a good reputation. He was a tall man--over 6 foot-- & good size.

     River Raisin Massacre--Young Blue Jacket was sent by James Lascelle of Monroe to Proctor at Malden as a messenger with intelligence of Winchester's arrival--hence the surprise. Jack Brandy--a Wyandott (don't know wh^t. became of him) took Whitmore Knaggs (see Hosmer's History); & Knaggs was in Young Blue Jacket's possession, who did save Knaggs, when other prisoners were killed. This Blue Jacket lived near Brownstown, on bank of Detroit river--probably, if dead, died there: a good Indian--common sized.--

     A sister of his was married to James Lascelle, of Monroe: a daughter, Nannette Lascelle, married Fred Caldwell (son of Capt. W^m. Caldwell)--now a widow, lives up the river from Monroe 3 or 4 ^mis., perhaps 65: Her son-in-law, ?? Johnson at Maumee

     Capt. Johnny--a large fellow (who was with Capt. Jas. Logan) captured a British Shawanee Indian at Jas. Lascelle's at Malden, & took him to Fort Meigs, where he sikened & died in a couple of weeks thereafter.

     Turkey Foot Place--where Turkey Foot creek comes into the Maumee, about 12_mis. below fort Defiance, on the north side of the river, is where Capt. Logan & had their fight in Nov. 1812.

     Simon Girty appeared to be a sober man--died at Malden-can tell nothing of his servieses.

     The Reaumes for a long period were settled near Malden, where most of the old set were from.

     Ke-ta-no-key was a son of Meta, a brother of Pontiac--lived at different places--died at Blanchard's Fork not very long before the war of 1812, while on a visit there to his relations--had long made his home at Presque Isle, ab_t six miles below Toledo, on Eastern bank of Maumee. He was a war chief--not very smart--can tell of no services.

     Pontiac by his first wife had a daughter, named Neck-ke-tic-ko-qua or Half Day Woman; she married,

     No traditions about Pontiac-- & nothing about She-ge-na-ba, & doubts about being such a son of Pontiac.

     Otussa died at Presque Isle, where he lived much like white people, aged about 60, perhaps two years after Fort Meiges treaty, say about 1828: he was poisoned by an Indian in revenge for some imagined slight or wrong--lingered several days, saying, "I know the man who has poisoned me," but mentioned not his name. Otussa was a frist-rate Indian--of fine

     John Baptiste Sanscrainte was a native of Vincennes--he was out with a party of British Indians, & _^^Who returned with scalps first after Clark took Vincennes in Feb. 1779-- & all were captured: all were seated on a bench to be shot or tomahawked: Several old French women came into the fort where Sanscraint's faterh was _^^{--J. B. Sanscraintes Sen.?} & said "your son Baptiste is among the prisoners about to be killed-- try & save him." "I can't help it--if my son has painted _^^{and dressed} himself up like an Indian, & gone to war with them, he must take the consequences with the others." When Clark heard of the affecting cercumstance, he went to the aged father, & bade his go & select out his son, & save him; but he still declined--& it was only when the excited French women finally took him by the arms & dragged _^^{the father} to the bench where the condemned party were seated, that he took away his son. It was a deeply affecting

     J. B. Sanscrainte, the younger, was a very large man. Had this from Sanscrainte himself, & from informan't mother, a native of Vincennes, & there when Clark took the place, & saw the whole affair.{Memo: Very likely the details of this incident are nealy correct, except that it was not Sainscrainte who was thus saved: he probably stated it but not of himself as the one saved: It was a son fo Lieut. St. Croix: see Gen. S. R. Clark's Narrative to Geo. Mason. LCD }

     Can tell nothing farther of Sanscrainte's services. He was a great Indian trader--lived at Detroit--was near by when Tippecanoe battle was fought (See Hosmer's Hist. Maumee Valley, p. 24). Took sides with the British & Indians, during the war; when out in the woods, hunting horses, & too groggy, on Coldwater river, Michigan, in the fall of 1828, perhaps near 80, lost his life--precisely how, was not known. His body was subsequently found, mangled & partly eaten by wolves or other wild animals--but was recognized by his clothing. He left several children--all now dead.

     Of Lieut. Jac^b. Schefflein knows nothing.

     A-gush-a-way (no known meaning) a great war chief of the Ottawas--related by his wife or mother to Pontiac--died at mouth of Ten Mile Creek, at the Bay Settlement (Between Toledo & Monroe) in Michigan, abt. 1800-- & about 70 years old--six feet tall--very heavy--he & J. B. Sanscrainte Jr. great friends. He fought against the British in the French War--& then for the British against the Americans. He had a brother Nod-o-wanee, a war chief of less note, & yet another brother known to the whites as Flat Button, a common warrior. All lived & died at the Bay Settlement. A-gush-a-way left no descendants.

     Mesh-ke-ma (see Hosmer's work) was a son of Nod-o-wanee, lived at Bay Settlement, & there died at a good old age: In Wayne's battle he received two bullets at one shot through his body.

     Fish-qua-gwam was from an Ottawa tribe near Niagra Falls in Canada--came to the Maumee, got married--& was made a chief from his fine abilities; sided with the British in war of 1812, & died at Presqu'

     An-to-wa-key, Kich-gua-gwan's son took the name of M^cCarty, by which he was known when he succeeded his father--intending to adopt Gen. Duncan M^cCarty's name. M^cCarty died after removing to the Mississippi.

No knowledge of the old whit Ottawa leader M^cCarty. Gov. Abbott did not know him--only Judge A.

     Robert Navarre (brother of Peter N.) died where Peter now lives, Cedar Point--in 1846, aged 65. Another brother James Navarre, died in 1841, at Presque Isle, aged 68 years: Robert left a family of five sons & five daughters--James, though married, left no descendants. Both these brothers served with Peter Navarre in war 1812.

     Col. Francis Navarre* of Monroe, was a cousin of my informant--sided with Americans in war 1812--died ab^t. 1830-31, about 60 years old--left children, one Robert N., now ab^t. 73, lives ab^t. 2 ^mis. S. of Monroe

     Jocko Lascelle, p. 36, Hosmer's History, should be Jacques or James Lascelle, familiarly called Jocko

     Nothing of Sagni-na --nothing of old Blue Jacket.

     Ton-tog-a-my, or the Bell (not The Dog)--said to have been a descendant of Pontiac, but doubts it--Indiands fond of claiming connection with some great an: fought for British in the War of 1812--did not risk himself much. Lived and died at the Ottawa town called Tontogamy Town, about two miles above Roce de Bout, on north side of Maumee--or Standing Stone, near where Waterville now is: Died there about 1825. Capt. Chs. Wood made a mistake about having killed Tontogamy on Tupper's expedition in Nov. 1812.

     Tecumseh--Had sixteen bullet holes in his body in his late fight-at the Thames--was tomahawked, & bayonetted in face: Peter Navarre, who knew him well, help bury him but could not with certainty recognize him, his face was so disfigured; sent for Gen. Harrison, who said Tecumseh had a scar from a burn _^^{recd. when young,} nearly the whole length of his left hip; & finding this, Harrison was satisfied as to his identity, & told Navarre, Medard Labbadie, James Knaggs, & two or three others, to give him a decent burial, as he was

     When Dudley was defeated, took the Americans prisoners at old Fort Miama (at or near Maumee City)--Indians had the prisoners in a pen; & Proctor & the British officers either could not, or did not try to control the Indians, who said "We will kill all these dogs." Proctor made no effort to prevent it. Tecumseh came, after many had been tomahawked, & rushed in, exlaiming: "Now, you want to kill all these prisoners, do you?" "Yes," they replied. "Then," said he, "you must kill me first-- & then you can do as you please--maybe some of you will die in the effort." The Indians were awed. Then Tecumseh turned towards Proctor, & bitterly reproached him for his cowardice, in suffering helpless

     John Reval--a youth of some seventeen, started from River Raisin for Detroit with a yoke of oxen met Tecumseh on the road, in spring of 1813, & the chiftain said: "Boy, I want your oxen--my warriors are hungry--I will pay you for them." Young Reval plead for the cattle as all his peple had to plow with, & support the family. "How much worth?" The boy said he did not know. "Will you take a hundred dollars for them?" inquired Tecumseh (they were really worth but little more than half that amount). Young Raval agreed to take it. Tecumseh caused an order to be written on Col. Elliott, the Indian Agent at Malden, for that amount. The boy presented the order, & Elliot said "I can pay no such order--Indians must have what they want from the people without pay." The youth almost hert-broken with disappointment, went back (to some point near

     Tecumseh could & did talk English--often visited the Navarre's on the Maumee, giving & receiving presents.

     Jack Brandy was a Wyandott--don't know what became of him: He was the caompanion of Round Head. The latter made Gen. Winchester take off his coat, & then his sword, & put them both on: Winchester made some hesitation about surrendering his sword, but desired it might be received as a present from him to his captor.

     Peter Navarre was uneducated--could not speak English until he thought it best, 30 years ago [1833], when Toledo commenced being settled, to learn the language. He was in both fights at the Raisin--& for Thames campaign & battle--was a spy in advance on the Thames expedition

     Just after the army returned to Detroit from the Thames campaign, no intelligence

     He has had four out of his six sons in war for the Union: three of his sons, ships off the old block, last spring caught five hundred dollars worth of furs & skins within 12 or 15 miles of Toledo.

     P. Navarre is nearly 6 feet--as erect as an Indian--a fine walker at 75, caring little for trails in the woods--a bright-eyed & always cheerful [fellow]. He weighs 140 ^lbs. He with pleasure pointed to a neat school-house errected in his neighborhood by the persevering efforts of his sons.
July 28th & 29th 63.

for additions, see vol for 1866, p 81 ^&c

     From Francis Cousineau--Vienna, Michigan, now 68 years old:

     Remembers seeing A-gushaway, when a boy residing at Monroe--thinks he died about 1804 or '5--was short & heavy

     Isadore de Chaine died in Detroit about 1810 or 1811--very aged [Must have a relative of the one who _^^{figured agt. Ky-LCD}]

     Remembers seeing J. B. Sanscrainte a few times after 1816--perhaps as late as 1828--he died near Pigeon.

     M^r. Cousineau was some in service with the Navarres during War of 1812-'15

     From Robert F. Navarre, near Monroe, Michigan, born at Monroe, Sept. 9, 1791--son of Col. Francis Navarre--(See p. 294)

     Col. Fr^s. Navarre died Sipt. 1^st. 1826, aged 66 years--born in Detroit--son of Rob^t. Navarre, who was son of Rob^t. de Navarre who came from Navarre, France (though he wrote his name simply "Navarre de Rochelle"). He descended from Henry IV of Navarre--was an officer in the French army in Canada.

     Can tell nothing of Capt. LaMothe, Isadore Chaine, or Peter Drouillard.

     J. B. Sancrainte was perhaps born at Vercennes--helped the British much in fighting the Americans before the War of 1812--in latter at first in American Spy Service till the battle of Magnago, just before which he joined the British Indians, & participated with them--was with the Indians who after Hull's surrenter, who went to attack Fort Wayne, but they returned, afraid to attack it: was probably with

     No personal recollection of A-gush-a-wa.

     Young Blue Jacket carried news in the night from Jacques Lascelle--written by Nannette Lascelle, well educated, who afterwards married Mr^s. Caldwell,--to Proctor, which caused Winchester's defeat: this was subsequently learned.

     Saw Maspot, a Pottawattamie chief, soon after the war, riding a horse, perfectly naked. Died soon after.

     Sauscrainte was interpreter at Wayne's treaty--& employed to bring in timid Indians, after Wayne defeated them ^at

     Saw Tecumseh in 1813, returning from Fort Defiance--wore a British officer's red coat, sword & sash, with a breechcloth-- & no pants-- with a big feather in his head: Presenting a ludicrous appearance.

     Col. Fr^s. Navarre, being Colonel of military & a prominent person, was badgered by the British Indians to take part with them for their great father against the hated Yankees. The finally took him prisoner to Canada, to Col. Bowsbee's near Windsor--there saw Proctor & Col. Dixon, British Indⁿ. agent, drunk. He manageed while the Indians were on day intently gazing at some Indian canoes stearing approaching with prisoners & scalps to skulk off into an adjoining wheat field--in the night reached Campeau Island, & thence with a canoe, reached the Michigan shore--hid among friends in & near Detroit, & finally reached Gen. Harrison's camp

     James Navarre, brother of Peter N., at the Maumee River Raisin ?? captured two British Indians who strayed off from the others--they suffering him to approach then supposing he was a British soldier. He said they were his prisoners, when they made a show of resistance, when he instantly snatched the rifle of each, & the tomahawk of one. Benac now came up, as on started to run, whom he shot down--the other was marched to camp as a prisoner. _^^{Peter Navarre was also approaching.} It was regarded as a bod adventure on the part of James Navarre.